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[Winterking]

Introduce the concept of the Crucible in Mass Effect 1 and use Mass Effect 2 to expand more on this device.

 

More missions about the Collectors in Mass Effect 2. Instead of just trying to build a reaper, they were also trying to bring the Reapers from Dark Space because they were stuck there after the battle of the Citadel. Despite being destroyed at the end they are sucessful in finding a way of bringing the Reapers back.

 

Keep Cerberus a Alliance black ops group instead of  an openly terrorist organisation. I think Shepard joining Cereberus would make more sense if the Alliance was trying to figure out the Reaper threat covertly because they couldn't act openly in the Terminus systems. 

 

More ME2 squadmates in ME3 or at least having them as temporary squadmates. Any ME2 companions alive should be available as squadmate in Priority Earth.

 

Both Thessia and Earth should have several optional missions like Tuchanka and Rannoch.

 

Make the final mission on Earth to be similar to the Suicide Mission but on a bigger scale.

 

More decisions like the one on Virmire where you are forced to choose between the lives of your squadmates.

 

Provide a decent explanation why the Council refuses to help you in ME2 instead of "ah, yes, the reapers" 

[Undead Han]

it was just written that way because she's a writer's pet
 

 

No, it was written that way because Liara is the only character on the Normandy who makes sense as the creator of the time capsules. Ashley, Kaidan, Vega, and Javik are soldiers, and Garrus is a former cop. None of them has a science background.  Cortez and Joker are pilots, and Traynor while bright..is a communications specialist. It's outside her area of expertise.

 

EDI is the only other character on the Normandy who that scene could have been shifted to. As a hyper-advanced A.I. she would most likely be capable of producing them as well. And perhaps an argument could be made for Tali, since she has an engineering background. The problem with both those characters however is that the time capsules are being designed for future archaeologists to discover. It just makes much more sense within the narrative for Liara to be the one to create them, since she is an archaeologist who was studying the last civilization to be destroyed by the Reapers.

 

 

 

she is the only one who can't die until the very end she finds the crucible plans
 

 

Javik, Vega, and EDI can't die until the end either. Half of ME3's squadmates are guaranteed to survive at least until the beam rush.

 

She is involved in locating the Crucible plans. But again this makes sense considering her background...the plans were found in excavated Prothean ruins. The Crucible plans are found at an archaeological dig site. Another companion filling that role wouldn't make sense. Imagine Vega for example, as being on the project at Mars. What's a soldier doing studying Prothean ruins?

 

is the freaking SB (even though a useless one) etc.

I never hated Liara but I absolutely hated they shoved her in my Sheps face
she was basically a romance even though my LI was Miranda lol

 

Becoming Shadow Broker was a natural conclusion to Liara's information broker arc. You could argue that they never should have made her an information broker, but once they set her up as one with a deadly rivalry with the SB, no other character made sense for the deuteragonist of Lair of the Shadow Broker. Miranda would have been random, since her backstory was less tied in with the SB.

[themikefest]

Javik, Vega, and EDI can't die until the end either. Half of ME3's squadmates are guaranteed to survive at least until the beam rush.

Javik does not have to be recruited
 

She is involved in locating the Crucible plans. But again this makes sense considering her background...the plans were found in excavated Prothean ruins. The Crucible plans are found at an archaeological dig site.

Without that information that the shadow broker had, she would've found nothing. Had she not wasted 2 years doing nothing like the rest of the ME1 characters, its possible the plans may of been found on Mars had Anderson, Hackett or any other ME1 character thought about having Liara checking out the ruins on Mars
 

Another companion filling that role wouldn't make sense. Imagine Vega for example, as being on the project at Mars. What's a soldier doing studying Prothean ruins?

Would you send  Ashley/Kaidan to Hackett, if Shepard chooses, who can't add anything to the Crucible? Or would you send Liara to Hackett who can help translate the plans?
 
 

Becoming Shadow Broker was a natural conclusion to Liara's information broker arc.

No it wasn't. Why not have Shepard and squad confront the broker asking to help stop the reapers and if he does, have him forward any information to Liara who will use  to  find the plans. And if he refuses to help, he is killed and Shepard forwards any information he/she finds about the Protheans to Liara
 

You could argue that they never should have made her an information broker.

That's right. It made no sense for her to be an information broker. What? She just decided studying the Protheans was boring or something and decided to go into information? Just like the other ME1 characters, she turned her back to Shepard and the galaxy to not find a way to stop the reapers

[Taleroth]

 

Becoming Shadow Broker was a natural conclusion to Liara's information broker arc. 

But becoming an information broker was itself not a natural extension of Liara's arc.

 

Always kind of weirded me out about the character. She's an awkward archeologist who acts like she doesn't know how to deal with people. Suddenly she's a badass superspy two years later.

[nallepuh86]

I would remove the current me 2 and make it a separate sidequel game. It was just glorified sidemission.

 

It didnt add anything to the lore and storyprogression. Exept dlc shadow broker and arrival.

 

Instead second mass effect should have been about shepard and trying to find new technology and help from behind dormant relays.

[Rasande]

But becoming an information broker was itself not a natural extension of Liara's arc.

 

Always kind of weirded me out about the character. She's an awkward archeologist who acts like she doesn't know how to deal with people. Suddenly she's a badass superspy two years later.

 

This always bugged me aswell and kind of ruined the character for me. Seriously, if at 106 she's considered not much more than a child 2years is far to short of time to completely reinvent herself. Hell, it would be more than remarkable by human standards, saving the galaxy or not.

In my mind, beeing one of the galaxies "best" information brokers would require some exeptional social skills and a cut-throat attitude, yet when we see her in ME1 she's a socialy awkward, insecure virgin that can barely go through a conversation without putting a foot in her mouth.

 

My guess is they saw how popular she was decided to focus more on her and give her some "cool factor" to please the majority, but the more they kept dangeling her infront of me the less apealing she got. And don't even get me started on her "romance"...

 

Shame if you ask me, i much prefered her beeing mild mannered and awkward. Beeing a nerd myself it was nice to have a more relatable character on the Normandy and a nice counterpoint to my rampaging Renagon Shepard and her ussual tagalong squad Wrex and Garrus.

[Googlesaurus]

No, it was written that way because Liara is the only character on the Normandy who makes sense as the creator of the time capsules. Ashley, Kaidan, Vega, and Javik are soldiers, and Garrus is a former cop. None of them has a science background.  Cortez and Joker are pilots, and Traynor while bright..is a communications specialist. It's outside her area of expertise.

 

EDI is the only other character on the Normandy who that scene could have been shifted to. As a hyper-advanced A.I. she would most likely be capable of producing them as well. And perhaps an argument could be made for Tali, since she has an engineering background. The problem with both those characters however is that the time capsules are being designed for future archaeologists to discover. It just makes much more sense within the narrative for Liara to be the one to create them, since she is an archaeologist who was studying the last civilization to be destroyed by the Reapers.

 

Just because Liara studied Prothean culture and artifacts doesn't mean she's an expert in materials science. Ideally, she would decide what goes into the time capsule and one of the advanced AIs (EDI/Legion) formulates the design.  

[Kynare]

Similar to what Sirzechs_Krios said.

 

Add the option to stay loyal to Cerberus in ME2 and complete ME3 with the Alliance as your adversary instead. (ex. Skyrim, where you can choose to complete Dawnguard as a human or a vampire. Same quests, different goals, different allegiance.) It would have been so fuckin' cool to have your Renegade options pay off in the end and allow you to stay loyal to Cerberus and help TIM take over the Reapers.

 

Also, if I had a say in the matter, I'd have been using Saren's glider as soon as I killed him. I want to fly around too, dammit!

[Pasquale1234]

But becoming an information broker was itself not a natural extension of Liara's arc.

When you first visit her office on Illium, she makes a statement about the info biz being not that different from archaeology, only the bodies still smell. I can see the similarities - in both cases, you're acquiring (digging up), processing, and analyzing information, looking for connections and patterns, trying to predict behaviors and possible outcomes.
 

Always kind of weirded me out about the character. She's an awkward archeologist who acts like she doesn't know how to deal with people. Suddenly she's a badass superspy two years later.

That seemed really odd to me, too, at first - until I thought about what had been happening over the past couple of years.

She made a very powerful and ruthless enemy in the Shadow Broker when she took Shepard's body and gave it to Cerberus - and has probably been fighting for her life ever since. He managed to get a plant very close to her, (Nyxeris) in prime position for an easy assassination, with Tela Vasir as backup. I doubt that the Shadow Broker waited 2 years to go after her. Nyxeris and Vasir are not the first, only the most recent. By the time we see her in the DLC, she's in full survival mode, and just wants the nightmare to end.

[Barquiel]

dude its ok you like Liara but that doesn't mean that we should
ME3 went sooo overboard with Liara that I'm still sick of it
all that shoving down out throats jeez Mac Walters we get it she is your favourite character and LI but there is a line
 
she was basically stalking Shep all the time in ME3 and we couldn't even yell at her and tell her to go away

Or maybe you should simply accept that Bioware put more effort into characters like Liara and Garrus because they have huge fanbases. It's absurd to assume Liara has a lot of content because Mac Walters (whose favorite characters are Aria, Garrus and TIM btw) and/or some other developers are big Liara fans.

Anyway, I like how the writers developed Liara's character in LotSB and ME3, it was a huge improvement over her dialogue in ME1 imo. I think that making her more hardened was a logical way to take her character...but the old Liara was still there, just under other layers that had to be peeled away.

[Drone223]

Anyway, I like how the writers developed Liara's character in LotSB and ME3, it was a huge improvement over her dialogue in ME1 imo. I think that making her more hardened was a logical way to take her character...but the old Liara was still there, just under other layers that had to be peeled away.

Liara's transition from prothean expert to the best information broker in the galaxy in the span of two years is just bad writing. She has no experience being an information broker as she spent most of her life studying the prothean's and having a career in being an information broker isn't something that anyone can just pick up.

It would most likely require many years of training and preparation before someone could actually make a start since its such a competitive field and yet Liara does this in about two years with no past experience it just unrealistic.

[Pasquale1234]

I agree I didn't mind the character change but they just went overboard with her screentime in ME3
She was basically the default romance option the scenes with her (especially capsule one) felt like a romance scene which sucked for Shep's who had another LI

I can certainly appreciate the frustration of those who feel that their LIs were shortchanged.

The writers are really walking a tightrope, especially with a PC that goes across an entire trilogy. They want to provide different types of LIs to appeal to different tastes and interests, but at the same time, the more individual LI options we have, the less content each of them will receive.

[Mister J]

^^ That is a valid point: I am very grateful for having the possibility of killing off the walking pine cone in 2 and not recruting him in 1: it's a shame that Liara haters don't have that same privilage...

[themikefest]

By the time ME3 ended I was sick of her they really went overboard with her

 
I have my playthroughs setup to where I only see her for a few seconds for the rest of the game after Thessia. Once during the speech at the FOB and again in the memorial scene
 

At least if you hate Tali or Garrus ( I don't) you coud kill them off in ME2 but Liara never dies (except if you want to fail the game)

If ems is between 1750-1900, she will die on the beam run if taken. The Normandy is stuck on the planet and still get the memorial scene. The only difference between that and high ems is the time it will take to rebuild the galaxy and that Shepard is dead

[Pasquale1234]

Liara's transition from prothean expert to the best information broker in the galaxy in the span of two years is just bad writing. She has no experience being an information broker as she spent most of her life studying the prothean's and having a career in being an information broker isn't something that anyone can just pick up.

It's actually a pretty natural transition from archaeologist --> information broker, as I explained in a former post. It's the same sort of work, just different subject matter.

Building her own network in such a brief amount of time is a bit implausible - but I do have a theory about how it might have all happened.

After the destruction of the SR1, Liara starts searching for Shepard (or Shepard's body). She contacts SB agents, like Barla Von. In the hunt for Shepard, she crosses paths with Feron and other intel agents. Cerberus also wants Shepard, and offers resources and support in their bid for Shepard's remains.

So we have opportunity - she has met other intel agents who might be willing to work with her.
And we have motive - survival is a pretty strong motivator, and the SB is not gonna quit until one of them is dead.

[Vazgen]

It's actually a pretty natural transition from archaeologist --> information broker, as I explained in a former post. It's the same sort of work, just different subject matter.

Building her own network in such a brief amount of time is a bit implausible - but I do have a theory about how it might have all happened.

After the destruction of the SR1, Liara starts searching for Shepard (or Shepard's body). She contacts SB agents, like Barla Von. In the hunt for Shepard, she crosses paths with Feron and other intel agents. Cerberus also wants Shepard, and offers resources and support in their bid for Shepard's remains.

So we have opportunity - she has met other intel agents who might be willing to work with her.
And we have motive - survival is a pretty strong motivator, and the SB is not gonna quit until one of them is dead.

The thing is, Liara was portrayed as shy and inexperienced when dealing with people, especially with those of other species. I have some trouble imagining such a character to start a job that requires constant dealings with people and excel at it.

[wright1978]

personally I would make sweeping changes to me3 if I had my way.

I really dislike the attempt to try and make the war all about reclaiming Earth.
rather than setting back within alliance command, I'd place the focus on the council spectre status, charged with bringing the fight to the reapers.
I'd ditch the cheap decision to turn Cerberus into enemy mooks to be shot at for half the game and retain them as the grey shady potential ally. The reapers and their own introcrinated forces should have been the enemy.

Cast: me2 cast getting much better treatment, on par with the me1 cast, rather than the cheap cameos.

From a character point of view I'd ditch the horrendous characterising auto-dialogue. Ditch ghost boy and the painfully bad forced dream sequences. Return the notion of giving players options through interrupts and dialogue choices and any remaining auto-dialogue being neutral.

[Drone223]

It's actually a pretty natural transition from archaeologist --> information broker, as I explained in a former post. It's the same sort of work, just different subject matter.Building her own network in such a brief amount of time is a bit implausible - but I do have a theory about how it might have all happened.After the destruction of the SR1, Liara starts searching for Shepard (or Shepard's body). She contacts SB agents, like Barla Von. In the hunt for Shepard, she crosses paths with Feron and other intel agents. Cerberus also wants Shepard, and offers resources and support in their bid for Shepard's remains.So we have opportunity - she has met other intel agents who might be willing to work with her.And we have motive - survival is a pretty strong motivator, and the SB is not gonna quit until one of them is dead.

Being a information broker and being a archaeologist are two completely different things and the two carrer paths have nothing in common. Being an information broker most likely requires years of experience in order to remain ahead of the competition and Liara has none. It's also very demanding and there is no room for error since even a minor slip up can make all the hard work to build a successful network be wasted. It's not a carrer that be picked up, people usually spend years of training and preparation before they even start being a broker.

In addition to the fact that she has neither the training or experience of being an information broker we have no idea how Liara even manages to become a information broker in the span of two years makes the writing even worse.

[Vilio1]

I also don't think Liara changed much at all. In my opinion, she's a natural at the Shadow Broker position, given her training as an archaeologist. The two basically involved organizing large amounts of data and looking for interesting patterns within it, and using this to come up with theories. It's only a matter of employing the same skills in a different way.