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Mass Effect is still my favorite game franchise, even with the crappy ending. What I don't understand is why people would rather not have shepard in mass effect 4. I see people say it like its a good thing. I will play mass effect 4 no matter who the main character is, but personally I would LOVE if shepard was in it again. Even if he wasn't the main character. I want legitimate closure to the last breath.

Oh btw. Liara was the most monotone boring character in the game. My very first play through of ME1 years ago I made her my LI, and once ME2 came out I never did it again. I don't understand how people like such a boring character so much. Miranda and Jack are much better. I wish Jack was in ME3 more often. Hell even Ashley was better after ME1.


I agree with you sadly most people and the writers liked her so she was basically everywhere in ME3 Miranda and Jack are indeed much better
Ashley? hell no they ruined the character after ME1 in my opinion

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I don't understand how people like  [...]

 

it is absolutely not necessary to understand - but you should accept and respect that other people have other feelings of what they like.

 

I myself do not understand why people think about other peoples taste for understanding it. Is there any food you do not like? Probably. Do you really try to understand why some people DO like that food? Really? No. Because it is absolutely not necessary to understand other peoples taste. Only accept and respect it if no person is harmed.

 

I do like Liara. And I dont see ANY reason why I should explain myself. I just like her. Period.


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I agree with you sadly most people and the writers liked her so she was basically everywhere in ME3 Miranda and Jack are indeed much better
Ashley? hell no they ruined the character after ME1 in my opinion

 

i missed Ash's xenophobic-ness after ME1. :(



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So now I'm asking more of you than I have before . Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this: they will try again.  Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean.  A year from now, ten?  They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better.  And I do not hold to that.  So no more runnin'.  I aim to misbehave.

 

Captain Mal Reynolds

 

Great quote! But Synthesis and his situation are way too diferent to me for it to carry much weight here.



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I can't see a Mass Effect 4 being easy to make. The endings and fate of Shepard are too different.
The amount if changes and alternate dialogues and back up characters necessitated made ME3 tricky, and this would be worse. They tried their best not to assume any particular decisions, but a few lore changes still crept in.

More stories set in the universe wouldn't be bad though. I wouldn't mind a game set during the first contact war.
Or a game set during the reaper war where you control the ships and do some space combat. I want to actually see the Normandy kick some ass.

But I don't think we need a new tacked on villain or threat. That never works out well.

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I can't see a Mass Effect 4 being easy to make. The endings and fate of Shepard are too different.

Welcome to the conversations, since you are new here I will post the following from the game devs: http://www.eurogamer...is-a-disservice

 

 

BioWare does not want you to refer to the next Mass Effect game as Mass Effect 4. Doing so would imply it was a sequel to Commander Shepard's story.

 

"To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here," BioWare community manager Chris Priestly wrote on the company's forums.

 

 

"We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying 'well, they'll have to pick a canon ending'. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda."



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Still, it's not easy to address the endings if the NME will be set years after ME3, direct/indirect sequel or not.

For me, the franchise's universe has to move forward and not backwards. A prequel would be a disappointment IMO.
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I might ask a different question...

 

... how can people really get excited about a 4th game when ME2 and ME3's plots made no sense and the ME legacy has already been damaged beyond repair? Plotwise, what is there to really get excited about, even without Shepard?

 

ME1's plot had a fantastic setup.

ME2 took the game in a totally different direction, and has numerous retcons and plot holes from the first game. Even on the surface, the game dramatically botches the main story parts.

ME3 threw away everything in ME2 - because I guess it was botched I suppose - and still has many conflicts with ME1, even if you forget ME2 ever happened.

 

Like DA:I, I'll wait 6 months post release to see what people really say about it. Then you get the truth.

 

Like all of the ME games, they are decent games as far as games go. And usually there's a few things to enjoy in them - like all of the loyal missions and LotSB dlc in ME2 - but as a series, I don't understand why people want this particular universe with the horrible ME legacy that has been established to come back. The races and places are cool - but the story is botched beyond repair.



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Because most people enjoyed the stories? And they want more Mass Effect? Because things are not only about the plot that a lot of posters around here likes to pull a genius and criticize it to death?

I'm always welcoming more Mass Effect. Shepard's tale was and always will be my favorite adventure in gaming, no matter the flaws, the license isn't damaged. Star War's prequel sucked balls and now we're getting a new one, but here, with ME, every single game was great, and I can't wait for more.

No one is forcing you to understand why some of us want more, just accept it
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I might ask a different question...
 
... how can people really get excited about a 4th game when ME2 and ME3's plots made no sense and the ME legacy has already been damaged beyond repair? Plotwise, what is there to really get excited about, even without Shepard?


The answer is simple, really: I disagree with your premise.
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The answer is simple, really: I disagree with your premise.

 

Well, it says a lot about you that you played through all 3 games and found no issue with the plot and want more.



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I can't see a Mass Effect 4 being easy to make. The endings and fate of Shepard are too different.
The amount if changes and alternate dialogues and back up characters necessitated made ME3 tricky, and this would be worse. They tried their best not to assume any particular decisions, but a few lore changes still crept in.

More stories set in the universe wouldn't be bad though. I wouldn't mind a game set during the first contact war.
Or a game set during the reaper war where you control the ships and do some space combat. I want to actually see the Normandy kick some ass.

But I don't think we need a new tacked on villain or threat. That never works out well.

 

 

Ugh absolutely not.  First of all the first contact war was more of an incident than a real war.  Second of all  I don't want to play a game that does nothing but rehash history.  Let's move forward not backwards.


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[quote name="egervari" post="18608515" timestamp="1423968486"]I might ask a different question...
 
... how can people really get excited about a 4th game when ME2 and ME3's plots made no sense and the ME legacy has already been damaged beyond repair? Plotwise, what is there to really get excited about, even without Shepard?
 
This is your opinion please stop trying to force it on people who don't agree.
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Well, it says a lot about you that you played through all 3 games and found no issue with the plot and want more.

And it says a lot about you that someone saying they disagree with you causes this kind of response.


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I agree with you sadly most people and the writers liked her so she was basically everywhere in ME3 Miranda and Jack are indeed much better
Ashley? hell no they ruined the character after ME1 in my opinion

Ashley was a female soldier, loyal to the alliance and earth first and she happened to be attractive (intent, objectively speaking), in ME3 she's a "sexy" space-babe who's also a soldier and all of her principles about aliens and humanity-first were largely ignored.

 

And there's no way it can be denied. It even says, straight outta the horse's mouth in the "Art of Mass Effect" book that "we amped up her sex-appeal". Luckily I think it was something that fit in with DA2-era Bioware and I heard Mike Laidlaw say he thinks the romances in DA2 were "pandering" looking back at it now, so I'd assume Bioware Mass Effect teams have matured as well, especially in this day and age of the Social Justice Warrior.

 

 

 

I might ask a different question...

 

... how can people really get excited about a 4th game when ME2 and ME3's plots made no sense and the ME legacy has already been damaged beyond repair? Plotwise, what is there to really get excited about, even without Shepard?

 

ME1's plot had a fantastic setup.

ME2 took the game in a totally different direction, and has numerous retcons and plot holes from the first game. Even on the surface, the game dramatically botches the main story parts.

ME3 threw away everything in ME2 - because I guess it was botched I suppose - and still has many conflicts with ME1, even if you forget ME2 ever happened.

 

Like DA:I, I'll wait 6 months post release to see what people really say about it. Then you get the truth.

 

Like all of the ME games, they are decent games as far as games go. And usually there's a few things to enjoy in them - like all of the loyal missions and LotSB dlc in ME2 - but as a series, I don't understand why people want this particular universe with the horrible ME legacy that has been established to come back. The races and places are cool - but the story is botched beyond repair.

In a sense you've led that question yourself. ME2 and ME3 ruined the plot, ergo ME1 - the fresh beginning - was the only good one.

 

ME4 is supposedly another "fresh beginning" so it is actually the best possible candidate you have. I'm also sour over ME3 (especially) ruining the legacy but as much as I keep raving on about its flaws and missed opportunities I know that ship has sailed an if possible ME4 will make me appreciate the IP a bit more again, even if I might eventually go back to the trilogy and shudder from time to time.

 

In the case of DA:I there's no reason to wait 6 months when criticisms are already wide-spread and aknowledged by the playerbase. It's too full of fetch quests and the main plot was too short as well as it had some pretty major flaws in the details but general consensus still seems to believe DA:I is better than DA2 and an overall enjoyable game, minus the few people that were actually completely turned off. When I think of Mass Effect my mood drops, but when I think of DA:I I feel less agitated; I'll let my subconscious decide what I really feel in that case.



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Well, it says a lot about you that you played through all 3 games and found no issue with the plot and want more.

 

Oh really? What does it say, besides that I am a person with opinions that you disagree with?


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Ashley was a female soldier, loyal to the alliance and earth first and she happened to be attractive (intent, objectively speaking), in ME3 she's a "sexy" space-babe who's also a soldier and all of her principles about aliens and humanity-first were largely ignored.

 

And there's no way it can be denied. It even says, straight outta the horse's mouth in the "Art of Mass Effect" book that "we amped up her sex-appeal". Luckily I think it was something that fit in with DA2-era Bioware and I heard Mike Laidlaw say he thinks the romances in DA2 were "pandering" looking back at it now, so I'd assume Bioware Mass Effect teams have matured as well, especially in this day and age of the Social Justice Warrior.

 

I hope you're right about this.  I find it very hard to take Bioware's claims of progressiveness and equality seriously while having Miranda's rear and Samara's cleavage shoved in my face.

 

 

 

ME4 is supposedly another "fresh beginning" so it is actually the best possible candidate you have. I'm also sour over ME3 (especially) ruining the legacy but as much as I keep raving on about its flaws and missed opportunities I know that ship has sailed an if possible ME4 will make me appreciate the IP a bit more again, even if I might eventually go back to the trilogy and shudder from time to time..

 

Begs the question, though.  How much of a "fresh start" will the next Mass Effect game have?  Given the strongest (if not the only) backlash against the game was the endings, how can they start fresh while at the same time continuing from that legacy?  How are we supposed to start fresh in a galaxy who's foundation is built upon something we may find repulsive?



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Ugh absolutely not.  First of all the first contact war was more of an incident than a real war.  Second of all  I don't want to play a game that does nothing but rehash history.  Let's move forward not backwards.

You can have games set in the past without them rehashing history in the same way there are endless games set during World War II. It's a matter of changing scope from "does the universe survive?" to "does this crew survive?" 

There's lots of room in the universe for stories, as seen by ME Infiltrator and the other iOS games and the assorted novels. And stories of heroes doing this during the Reaper war would be interesting.

Such as the story of mercenaries going from guns for hire to something else as the war progresses. Or criminals making a living in the background of the larger galactic conflict. 

 

I'm in the camp that compares this to the Star Wars EU. Going forward in a meaningful way means making a new threat. Which gets into Yuuzhan Vong territory. The big tacked on threat that comes out of nowhere because the signature conflict has been removed. 

I just don't think a game set post-ME3 will be easy without having two skins for every character to reflect synthesis or non-synthesis endings. Let alone having to potentially deal with all the other changes. The amount of different dialogue options is staggering. And with the different game systems at play again, they'd have to set-up something akin to a Mass Effect Keep.

 

The fact is, everyone would want them to visit the key places in the ME universe, to see the outcome of their choices at work. (The absence of which was a big complaint with the ending of ME3), but some of the choices are too contradictory to be viable. Tuchanka would look radically different, as would Quarrian settlements. So the game would have to steer clear of those places, which sets people up for disappointment.

"Here's the new Mass Effect game. Return to one of your favourite sci fi universes! Now set exclusively in the Drell and Volus territories!"

 

So many people in thread have railed on ME3 being "rushed out" despite having a longer development cycle to the first two and being released a year after it was expected to launch. And part of that feeling was likely because ME3 is pretty much two games. So many choices carry over than things that quarter of the spoken dialogue probably didn't apply to a single playthrough.



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I just don't think a game set post-ME3 will be easy without having two skins for every character to reflect synthesis or non-synthesis endings. Let alone having to potentially deal with all the other changes. The amount of different dialogue options is staggering. And with the different game systems at play again, they'd have to set-up something akin to a Mass Effect Keep.

Do not plan for a Sequel or a prequel, they could litterally decide to do an alternate universe or set it someplace where the events of the ME trilogy have no relevance.


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They could canonize trilogy choices for a sequel. Paragon outcomes on Tuchanka and Rannoch keep franchise defining species in the setting.



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Do not plan for a Sequel or a prequel, they could literally decide to do an alternate universe or set it someplace where the events of the ME trilogy have no relevance.

If it's too far removed they lose the benefits of setting it in the ME universe. If it's too different or too set apart it just feels like a different game or universe that just looks familiar. 

 

They could release a game of smugglers and criminals making their way though the seedy underbelly of the citadel, with the protagonist rising through the ranks in a game that was GTA meets ME. 

That risks being unappealing to the fans of the franchise, like what happened between Dragon Age Origins and 2, where the tone shifted from "saving the nation" to "one dude's life in a city-state". 

 

I do think there's some room. It'd be neat to run with the dark energy thread, as that connects into the main trilogy and thus feels less tacked on. It'd be interesting to have a brave band of heroes saving the galaxy from this threat that would end all life, but just doing so in a less dramatic fashion so no one really notices. This crew stopping the threat of dark energy in the background while everyone is focusing on the reaper invasion. The unsung heroes of the galaxy. 



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I'm about 90 percent positive Shepard is getting a new game or at the very least, a DLC where you play as him/her and the old team.

 

 

Why did DA:O get Witch Hunt? Because Morrigan is a popular character with an ambiguous fate at the end of the game. They knew people would buy it and people did. I did. That set the precedent. Knowing that, and knowing that Bioware makes DLC based on fan demand (Citadel, anyone?) it's glaringly obvious that Shepard's story isn't over forever.



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I'm about 90 percent positive Shepard is getting a new game or at the very least, a DLC where you play as him/her and the old team.

 

 

Why did DA:O get Witch Hunt? Because Morrigan is a popular character with an ambiguous fate at the end of the game. They knew people would buy it and people did. I did. That set the precedent. Knowing that, and knowing that Bioware makes DLC based on fan demand (Citadel, anyone?) it's glaringly obvious that Shepard's story isn't over forever.

Shepard's story is done and they've repeated that over and over again. Also, even though they do listen to fans, they do not always give them what they want.


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Shepard's story is done and they've repeated that over and over again. Also, even though they do listen to fans, they do not always give them what they want.

Not to mention were getting a new protagonist for the next game.



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I could be wrong but the different endings of ME3 have little or no impact on the distant future where the old guy (or Asari) is telling the tale of "the Shepard."

 

He even says something like it happened so long ago the details have been lost.

 

Kinda means Bioware don't even have to canonize any ending if they make a sequel set long after ME3.