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[Kantr]

Unfortunately, the EC didn't manage to remove the taste of the original completely. Also, I have severe storytelling issues with it.

Uh I was talking about DA:I not ME3

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Uh I was talking about DA:I not ME3

that's just grand! 

[SpiritMuse]

Actually, Inquistion is D&D and I have proof:

1. Warriors have Shield Bash, which D&D has done for ages.
2. Mages have Fireball.
3. Mages can put down ice walls.
4. The staff bolts look suspiciously like Magic Missiles.
5. Rogues can pick locks.
6. Rogues can set traps.
7. Rogues can use stealth.
8. Rogues have a special Backstab attack.
9. Etc.

[Raoni Luna]

Actually, Inquistion is D&D and I have proof:

1. Warriors have Shield Bash, which D&D has done for ages.
2. Mages have Fireball.
3. Mages can put down ice walls.
4. The staff bolts look suspiciously like Magic Missiles.
5. Rogues can pick locks.
6. Rogues can set traps.
7. Rogues can use stealth.
8. Rogues have a special Backstab attack.
9. Etc.

 

Exactly the point of my last post... if you get rid of the specifics... yes.

If you ignore that the mechanics are completely different.

1. In D&D you have mechanics that define success or failure of the shield bash based on your character statistics and a d20 (plus d6,d8 and so on)

2. Which are also succeed or not on the same mechanics as stated above

3. That have a lot of specifics to interact with and not some shallow thing like in DAI

4. Yeah right, and mages can do that unlimitedly at lvl 1 it seems, also lack of mechanics as I said

5. With a set of rules, yes

6. With a set of rules, yes

7. With a set of rules, yes

8. With a set of rules, yes

9. Etc with a set of rules

 

And the set of rules that define D&D not the conceptual aspect. And that is precisely what i said in my last post. You can compare Inquisition with real RPGs as long as you do so by comparing only the concepts, not the specifics. D&D, or any other RPG, is not a series of concepts like races, classes and others, these are features in real life and fantasy. RPGs are exactly their rules, their mechanics. I can play X-Men with whitewolf's system or wziards of the coast's system and would be COMPLETELY different games. But somehow people seem to think that Dragon Age is the Thedas setting, so everything Thedas is Dragon Age. I wonder, if that is true... if I do play Vampire the Mascarade with DnD 5e rules, it is DnD or Vampire? We name RPGs after their rules not after their setting. A given system can have multiple settings.

 

My comparisona considers the visual, the rules and the mechanics of the comparisons I made, not only the concept. Because as much as you make efforts to say it can be done with anything, no, it can't unless you ignore almost everything. In fact I never compared DAI to Mass Effect before, but the moment Bioware said it was not, them being the most shameless liars of all, I knew it was true. After Inquisition "From PC Gamers to PC Gamers" if Bioware states that gravity exists I will just become afraid to fall into the sky.

[Navasha]

Bioware has always mix-matched terms throughout its games.  

 

I just recently returned to playing SWTOR.   There are Justicars, a guy in the dark temple named Dorian, a sith lord named Sovran, and tons more tiny little references to their past games.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Bioware has always mix-matched terms throughout its games.  

 

I just recently returned to playing SWTOR.   There are Justicars, a guy in the dark temple named Dorian, a sith lord named Sovran, and tons more tiny little references to their past games.

if i understand this thread correctly... it's not about references

[AdamJames]

I have a biotic dealing with singularities.

There is another one in my party who loves barriers.

And I'm pretty sure Sera uses biotic charge too.

Varric was an engineer last time I checked.

Do I even need to say who Iron Bull is?

 

Sadly there is no Kai Leng =(

Oh, wait, did you even check rogue enemies moving... specially the elves from the Arbor Wilds? I'm pretty sure one of them is Kai

 

=)

 

Bravo! A textbook example of the argument by selective observation, also known as cherry picking. Well done.

[Raoni Luna]

1. singularities are all about pinning down groups of enemies. Differance between the games is how. Still the same thing.

2.The barrier system in ME and Bg is all about prevention to damage. They are the same thing but one restores it self. The barrier system in bg is far more simular to the one in dai any ways.

3.Funny, that's the only ability rogues have that does that...Unless your taking about her romance.

4.I'm sorry. A mage theif can summon monsters, shoot fire, shoot ice, shoot lighting, debuff enemies, set traps, pick locks and doors, and disarm trap. An engineer can summon drones, shoot fire, shoot ice, shoot lighting, set traps, decrypt doors ans locks, and disarm traps. How are they not similar?

5. The entire Krogan race is based of this on character...Who's name is Krogan.

 

And I'm not say the game play is similar. I mean the powers.

You ignored everything I explained and did the same. Unless you understand the difference between something conceptual and the other aspects, I guess you can't understand the differences. Basically your post was about reapeating how they are conceptually the same.

 

As did a lot of people after you. Which is funny because I explained I made the comparison considering various aspects of similarities including in game mechanics (and sometimes even physics) and not only the concept. If they bothered reading they would know that it makes no sense to say what they said because they were making ridiculous of concepts comparison, and it is, indeed, ridiculous. But I went for a lot more specific things.

Inquisition is Mass Effect. But of course it is not identical, but not because Inquisition have identity or is a Dragon Age, it is because they put Skyrim and MMORPGs in the mix. Mass Effect + Skyrim + random MMORPG = Inquisition. No, there is no Dragon Age in the mix. Nor BG. Nor anything else good. Just the worst of the galaxy in a single game. Hope ME4 features the protagonist trying to save the universe from the Inquisition threat. A lot more dangerous than sissy reapers. I would gladly use mark of the rift, ooops, biotic super singularity of hell to get rid of it. Would be a better villain than Corypheus, that's for sure.

[AdamJames]

Do I even need to say who Iron Bull is?

 

He's the big sexy Qunari, duh. Everyone knows that.

[katokires]

 

Inquisition is Mass Effect. But of course it is not identical, but not because Inquisition have identity or is a Dragon Age, it is because they put Skyrim and MMORPGs in the mix. Mass Effect + Skyrim + random MMORPG = Inquisition. No, there is no Dragon Age in the mix. Nor BG. Nor anything else good. Just the worst of the galaxy in a single game. Hope ME4 features the protagonist trying to save the universe from the Inquisition threat. A lot more dangerous than sissy reapers. I would gladly use mark of the rift, ooops, biotic super singularity of hell to get rid of it. Would be a better villain than Corypheus, that's for sure.

Give in to the dark side my disciple. MWAAUHWUAHUWHAUHUWHAUH

[ComfortablyNumb]

Anyone wants more popcorn...?

[Big Magnet]

I don't know about Mass Effect, all I know is that I love my Knight Enchanter

 

[lynroy]

Mass Effect + Skyrim + random MMORPG = Inquisition. 

So Mass Effect plus some other things is Inquisition....okay.
 

Quite frankly, a Skyrim horse can climb a hell of a lot better than a DAI horse, so I reject your claim that it is Skyrim.  Actually, a Mako can climb better than a DAI horse, so I also reject your ME comparison claim.

I LOVE MY MAKO!

 

[Draining Dragon]

1. Beans
2. Beans
3. Cucumbers
4. Derringers
5. Polar bears

[SpiritMuse]

Exactly the point of my last post... if you get rid of the specifics... yes.
If you ignore that the mechanics are completely different.
1. In D&D you have mechanics that define success or failure of the shield bash based on your character statistics and a d20 (plus d6,d8 and so on)
2. Which are also succeed or not on the same mechanics as stated above
3. That have a lot of specifics to interact with and not some shallow thing like in DAI
4. Yeah right, and mages can do that unlimitedly at lvl 1 it seems, also lack of mechanics as I said
5. With a set of rules, yes
6. With a set of rules, yes
7. With a set of rules, yes
8. With a set of rules, yes
9. Etc with a set of rules
 
And the set of rules that define D&D not the conceptual aspect. And that is precisely what i said in my last post. You can compare Inquisition with real RPGs as long as you do so by comparing only the concepts, not the specifics. D&D, or any other RPG, is not a series of concepts like races, classes and others, these are features in real life and fantasy. RPGs are exactly their rules, their mechanics. I can play X-Men with whitewolf's system or wziards of the coast's system and would be COMPLETELY different games. But somehow people seem to think that Dragon Age is the Thedas setting, so everything Thedas is Dragon Age. I wonder, if that is true... if I do play Vampire the Mascarade with DnD 5e rules, it is DnD or Vampire? We name RPGs after their rules not after their setting. A given system can have multiple settings.
 
My comparisona considers the visual, the rules and the mechanics of the comparisons I made, not only the concept. Because as much as you make efforts to say it can be done with anything, no, it can't unless you ignore almost everything. In fact I never compared DAI to Mass Effect before, but the moment Bioware said it was not, them being the most shameless liars of all, I knew it was true. After Inquisition "From PC Gamers to PC Gamers" if Bioware states that gravity exists I will just become afraid to fall into the sky.

So these abilities are the same, but because they are more basic (and D&D has more complicated rules for them, because D&D has more complicated rules than DA in general) it doesn't count?

Alright, how about Magic Circle, then - a spell that can trap enemies in a circle?
What about Overrun - a charging attack that knocks opponents prone?
Or Skirmish - an ability that allows archers to load tons of extra damage onto their attack?

If you go looking long enough you're gonna find similarities everywhere. Honestly though I fail to see why this matters. Everything has been done before at this point.

[TammieAZ]

Never played Baldur's gate.Too hard on the eyes.

[Draining Dragon]

Wot.

Exactly.

[Iakus]

DAI isn't like ME3

 

My Inquisitor didn't walk into an explosion to destroy all demons and just happen to kill all elves in the process (because reasons)

[Ashagar]

DA:I is ME?

 

Oh.

 

I thought it was Disney.

 

Nope because the villain didn't sing or rhyme about doing horrible, horrible things.  Also no attempted genocides summoning of undead hordes, attempted sacrifice of souls,  angry mobs, people turning into giant monsters and other such things.
 

[leaguer of one]

You ignored everything I explained and did the same. Unless you understand the difference between something conceptual and the other aspects, I guess you can't understand the differences. Basically your post was about reapeating how they are conceptually the same.

 

As did a lot of people after you. Which is funny because I explained I made the comparison considering various aspects of similarities including in game mechanics (and sometimes even physics) and not only the concept. If they bothered reading they would know that it makes no sense to say what they said because they were making ridiculous of concepts comparison, and it is, indeed, ridiculous. But I went for a lot more specific things.

Inquisition is Mass Effect. But of course it is not identical, but not because Inquisition have identity or is a Dragon Age, it is because they put Skyrim and MMORPGs in the mix. Mass Effect + Skyrim + random MMORPG = Inquisition. No, there is no Dragon Age in the mix. Nor BG. Nor anything else good. Just the worst of the galaxy in a single game. Hope ME4 features the protagonist trying to save the universe from the Inquisition threat. A lot more dangerous than sissy reapers. I would gladly use mark of the rift, ooops, biotic super singularity of hell to get rid of it. Would be a better villain than Corypheus, that's for sure.

Seriously. I've play ME  for Hundreds of hour and I can tell you dai is not like ME. DAI is far more like bg then ME. It also funny you keep bring up mmo's and skyrim into this because you seem to forget dai world is done the same way bg2 is done. All game are going to have similarity but in this case the 2 game to compare don't have that close comparison you think it does.

[KaiserShep]

Nope because the villain didn't sing or rhyme about doing horrible, horrible things.  Also no attempted genocides summoning of undead hordes, attempted sacrifice of souls,  angry mobs, people turning into giant monsters and other such things.
 

 

Bah! Disney villains haven't been singing about their dastardly scheming since the 90's.

 

Wait, I guess Prince Hans counts. F*** that guy, man.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Wait, wait, wait...!

Dragon Age IS Mass Effect!

At the very beginning of ME1, Shepard encounters a scientist and she says "Thank the Maker".

So there. All the proof you needed