I was arguing about elves with Solas as a Lavellan and he says:
"Inquisitor: Someone who spent half his life in the Fade has no ideas?
Solas: Not unless we colapse the Veil and bring back the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no."
Well, sh*t.
It as good a theory as any, and it tracks with this:
The skies have already opened, the fade and thedas becoming one sounds like magic coming back to me.
I was arguing about elves with Solas as a Lavellan and he says:
"Inquisitor: Someone who spent half his life in the Fade has no ideas?
Solas: Not unless we colapse the Veil and bring back the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no."
Well, sh*t.
Yeah, that definitely rang some alarm bells. It's definitely a possibility.
I am 99% sure he said something even stronger than that in one of my first conversations with him in Haven, asking about the Veil and he speaks very wistfully to the effect of 'can you imagine how great it would be if there were no Veil and spirits hung around the physical world again?' It makes me very suspicious that all those 'artifacts' were not strengthening the Veil at all, but preparing to destroy it.
I'm not entirely sure why he wants it that way; he obviously cares about spirits, but I can't see losing the Veil ending well for either spirits or humans, at least in the short-term. It would/will be chaos, and lots of death, as far as I can see.
Time will tell, I guess.
I am 99% sure he said something even stronger than that in one of my first conversations with him in Haven, asking about the Veil and he speaks very wistfully to the effect of 'can you imagine how great it would be if there were no Veil and spirits hung around the physical world again?' It makes me very suspicious that all those 'artifacts' were not strengthening the Veil at all, but preparing to destroy it.
I'm not entirely sure why he wants it that way; he obviously cares about spirits, but I can't see losing the Veil ending well for either spirits or humans, at least in the short-term. It would/will be chaos, and lots of death, as far as I can see.
Time will tell, I guess.
Solas is at least several thousand years old. I doubt he cares much about the short term. Long term, he believes we'll learn to coexist. Whether he's right or not is doubtful.
I was arguing about elves with Solas as a Lavellan and he says:
"Inquisitor: Someone who spent half his life in the Fade has no ideas?
Solas: Not unless we colapse the Veil and bring back the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no."
Well, sh*t.
I'm not entirely sure why he wants it that way; he obviously cares about spirits, but I can't see losing the Veil ending well for either spirits or humans, at least in the short-term. It would/will be chaos, and lots of death, as far as I can see.
I'm not sure how much he really cares for any of the denizens of physical Thedas anyways. His dialogue generally implies he looks down on humans, looks down on dwarves, freakin' HATES the Qunari, and vacillates between different levels of loathing for his own people. I suspect that, if his plan is to break the Veil, then he probably figures it would be bad for the majority of people and just doesn't care, because he wouldn't want anyone but the 'worthy' to survive anyway.
This ain't Korra, god of hobos.
I'm not sure how much he really cares for any of the denizens of physical Thedas anyways. His dialogue generally implies he looks down on humans, looks down on dwarves, freakin' HATES the Qunari, and vacillates between different levels of loathing for his own people. I suspect that, if his plan is to break the Veil, then he probably figures it would be bad for the majority of people and just doesn't care, because he wouldn't want anyone but the 'worthy' to survive anyway.
He mentions on more than one occasion that the world would be better if there was no Veil. And the implication of his story as the Dread Wolf is that he was the one who created it in the first place.
Never got this conversation....nut yeah that is the impression I got from his other conversations in general. Or at least it is step 1 of his plans. Step 2 involves waking up the elven gods that are asleep (probably in mirrors....probably in the Black City). I believe step 3 is essentially, oh maker we are all doomed.
I'm not sure how much he really cares for any of the denizens of physical Thedas anyways. His dialogue generally implies he looks down on humans, looks down on dwarves, freakin' HATES the Qunari, and vacillates between different levels of loathing for his own people. I suspect that, if his plan is to break the Veil, then he probably figures it would be bad for the majority of people and just doesn't care, because he wouldn't want anyone but the 'worthy' to survive anyway.
Funny you should mention that....if you "complete" the romance with Solas there is a banter between Cole and Solas regarding Solas's reasoning for breaking off his relationship. During the conversation, Cole reads Solas and one of the lines he says is effectively "If she is real, then that means they are all real, and that changes everything." My interpretation of that line has basically boiled down to, Solas does not view those living in the physical world as being "real" allowing him to justify the plans that he inevitably has....
Funny you should mention that....if you "complete" the romance with Solas there is a banter between Cole and Solas regarding Solas's reasoning for breaking off his relationship. During the conversation, Cole reads Solas and one of the lines he says is effectively "If she is real, then that means they are all real, and that changes everything." My interpretation of that line has basically boiled down to, Solas does not view those living in the physical world as being "real" allowing him to justify the plans that he inevitably has....
Ooh, yeah, I never got it either (even though my main was an elf who romanced him), but that does sound rather...incriminating, doesn't it?
I do not think there is anything hidden about that, really, given what we know about his beliefs and his true identity come end game.
I am fully expecting him to, like, awaken Old Gods and tear rifts into the 'Veil.
Well he is the dread wolf and wolves are bad news.
He had to know that the orb would rip open the veil. So why did he fight so hard to seal the rift instead of expanding it? Maybe he wants the Fade to envelop the waking world instead of just opening the Fade? Doesn't it seem like the two couldn't coexist in the same space?
I think it had to do with the fact of how the breach and the rifts twisted and drove spirits mad, if you recall he reacts poorly to spirits being twisted against their nature.
I definitely think that the removal/manipulation of the Veil is his goal, and I also think that he made it into what it is today. 
Makes me wonder if at some point, if that holds up, we have to decide the fate of magic as Thedas knows it.
Sigh i just wish The Damn Dread Wolf DLC would move its arse an arrive already
I don't think Solas will do that. While that might be his long term goal, the world would be far too chaotic for him to do that. He knows full well that too many would die. Given that Solas often helps the innocent, and believes no one should be above the law, it would bring far too much ruin.
I also think, given what he saw, he will be far more careful with his plans, given that his plan to go against the elven gods screwed over the other elves.
It makes me very suspicious that all those 'artifacts' were not strengthening the Veil at all, but preparing to destroy it.
If Solas wanted to destroy the Veil then why would he even introduce the notion of using the mark to close them?
Perhaps destroying the veil creates problems. He may want to get rid of it but using blunt force (like Corypheus did) just confuses the demons that pour through.
We know that the Breach will tear the Veil apart - Solas states as much in the future timeline when in the courtyard. I wonder if thats what his Orb was meant to do. I wonder what was the mistake then?
I definitely think that the removal/manipulation of the Veil is his goal, and I also think that he made it into what it is today.
Makes me wonder if at some point, if that holds up, we have to decide the fate of magic as Thedas knows it.
Not just magic, but the future of Thedas itself. This would decide the outcome of the Tevinter/Qunari war.
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