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[Giantdeathrobot]

If Solas wanted to destroy the Veil then why would he even introduce the notion of using the mark to close them? 

 

Perhaps destroying the veil creates problems. He may want to get rid of it but using blunt force (like Corypheus did) just confuses the demons that pour through. 

 

We know that the Breach will tear the Veil apart - Solas states as much in the future timeline when in the courtyard. I wonder if thats what his Orb was meant to do. I wonder what was the mistake then? 

 

I suspect Solas's idea of dissipating the Veil is not at all similar to Coryfish's clumsy attempt to force entry in the Fade. For instance, I suspect Solas has no intention of forcing demons into the physical realm and either enslave them or have them kill random people in the countryside.

 

I imagine Solas wants a smoother transition. What we see in the bad future is basically good for no one, mortals on Thedas are getting massacred and spirits are being turned into demons by the Breach. If Fen'Harel's ideal world is one where mortals and spirits freely coexist, well, that's not exactly a great model is it?

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I would hope that would be the final DA saga and, we'd be able to either save or destroy the world once and for all. I think we need to do something to further unite all of Thedas before that happens, it would take everyone to stop him, if that's the plan and, you'd need everyone to let it happen if you wanted to destroy the world as we know it.

[Shaftell]

Why does he hold spirits in such high value? That's one of the things I don't get.

[Suhiira]

He mentions on more than one occasion that the world would be better if there was no Veil. And the implication of his story as the Dread Wolf is that he was the one who created it in the first place.

 

Good point.

And I agree he has every reason to want to stop Cory, tearing the veil and forcing spirits across the become slaves/demons is certainly not what Solas has in mind.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Why does he hold spirits in such high value? That's one of the things I don't get.

I'd guess part of it is b/c they're immortal like he is. They're much less likely to die on him and his big fear is dying alone.

 

Also, spirits are... simple, for lack of a better word. They're straightforward. A spirit of valour or wisdom or purpose is just that, that trait personified and explored. Even Cole's special status is an understandable result of his concept of compassion. In a way you can't be fooled or betrayed by a spirit b/c they are entirely that thing they claim to be. Once you understand that a spirit is a spirit of faith or of "choice" and understand what those things mean, they're safe to be around. Much easier than Thedosians.

 

And also there's the theory that the elven gods were/are actually evolved spirits, not just immortal elves. Or that all elves stem from evolved spirits. Basically, he might actually BE a spirit himself. Not sure I believe it, but it would explain some of his affinity for them if true.

 

And on the other side of this, his seeming lack of preference for the physical world might be b/c he's been asleep for thousands of years and has no real ties to the mortal realm and its people anymore.While he also in general believes in helping the innocent and being a good person to others, he doesn't have the perspective anymore of himself as a denizen of Thedas due to being apart from it for so long. I find it believable he feels more for spirits than mortals b/c of his time apart from them.

 

He definitely cared a great deal about them once, though, if he really did seal the creators away cus they were tyrants. He maybe even led a slave rebellion in ancient Arlathan. And he cares a lot for those he does have ties to, like Flemythal and, eventually, the inquisition members he becomes close to. And of course Lavellan if she romances him. I think he could come to care about the rest of the world, too, if he allowed himself to do so. But it seems w/e he has planned won't allow him to consider everyone "real" and do that. Cus if he does he'll have to change course and he's nothing if not committed to his cause, apparently.

 

I really hope we can talk him down if he's on a bad path. Or help him if that's how your PC rolls. lol I just don't want to have to kill him or else let innocents die. Something more complex and more in character for his motivations (that we've seen) would be preferred.

[SmilesJA]

I was arguing about elves with Solas as a Lavellan and he says:

"Inquisitor: Someone who spent half his life in the Fade has no ideas?

 

Solas: Not unless we colapse the Veil and bring back the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no."

 

Well, sh*t.

 

That is an interesting theory. That could be a possibility now that Solas absorbed Mythal's power (and probably the soul of an Old God.)

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It may or may not be inadvertent even assuming that foreshadowing was his true goal.

[Shaftell]

I'd guess part of it is b/c they're immortal like he is. They're much less likely to die on him and his big fear is dying alone.

Also, spirits are... simple, for lack of a better word. They're straightforward. A spirit of valour or wisdom or purpose is just that, that trait personified and explored. Even Cole's special status is an understandable result of his concept of compassion. In a way you can't be fooled or betrayed by a spirit b/c they are entirely that thing they claim to be. Once you understand that a spirit is a spirit of faith or of "choice" and understand what those things mean, they're safe to be around. Much easier than Thedosians.

And also there's the theory that the elven gods were/are actually evolved spirits, not just immortal elves. Or that all elves stem from evolved spirits. Basically, he might actually BE a spirit himself. Not sure I believe it, but it would explain some of his affinity for them if true.

And on the other side of this, his seeming lack of preference for the physical world might be b/c he's been asleep for thousands of years and has no real ties to the mortal realm and its people anymore.While he also in general believes in helping the innocent and being a good person to others, he doesn't have the perspective anymore of himself as a denizen of Thedas due to being apart from it for so long. I find it believable he feels more for spirits than mortals b/c of his time apart from them.

He definitely cared a great deal about them once, though, if he really did seal the creators away cus they were tyrants. He maybe even led a slave rebellion in ancient Arlathan. And he cares a lot for those he does have ties to, like Flemythal and, eventually, the inquisition members he becomes close to. And of course Lavellan if she romances him. I think he could come to care about the rest of the world, too, if he allowed himself to do so. But it seems w/e he has planned won't allow him to consider everyone "real" and do that. Cus if he does he'll have to change course and he's nothing if not committed to his cause, apparently.

I really hope we can talk him down if he's on a bad path. Or help him if that's how your PC rolls. lol I just don't want to have to kill him or else let innocents die. Something more complex and more in character for his motivations (that we've seen) would be preferred.

Wow thanks for your thorough response. I definitely learned a lot. I definitely agree with you that the option to talk him down better be there. I really liked him as a character and he genuinely seemed to care for my Inquisitor.

[In Exile]

Never got this conversation....nut yeah that is the impression I got from his other conversations in general. Or at least it is step 1 of his plans. Step 2 involves waking up the elven gods that are asleep (probably in mirrors....probably in the Black City). I believe step 3 is essentially, oh maker we are all doomed.
Funny you should mention that....if you "complete" the romance with Solas there is a banter between Cole and Solas regarding Solas's reasoning for breaking off his relationship. During the conversation, Cole reads Solas and one of the lines he says is effectively "If she is real, then that means they are all real, and that changes everything." My interpretation of that line has basically boiled down to, Solas does not view those living in the physical world as being "real" allowing him to justify the plans that he inevitably has....

Remember how Cole uses "real". He draws a distinction between that and himself as a spirit.

[LaughingBanana]

I mean it's kind of obvious during your 2nd playthrough and afterwards when in during the early conversations how he mused about it would be lovely if the veil is nonexistant.

 

Also, his quest is fixed? Really?

[In Exile]

If Solas wanted to destroy the Veil then why would he even introduce the notion of using the mark to close them?

Perhaps destroying the veil creates problems. He may want to get rid of it but using blunt force (like Corypheus did) just confuses the demons that pour through.

We know that the Breach will tear the Veil apart - Solas states as much in the future timeline when in the courtyard. I wonder if thats what his Orb was meant to do. I wonder what was the mistake then?

Remember the Breach isn't about the Veil. It's about the Fade. The Veil keeps the real realm and the Fade apart. Solas wants to get rid of things that keep the two apart. What Corypheus did was to break the two apart.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

if he's a villain in the next game and that's his goal, i want to be able to support it, damn it. i couldn't join Cory in restoring Tevinter to its glory, but this... is much more awesome. collapsing the Veil? spirits and mortals on the same plane of existance, no abominations, shaping the reality with will only? i mean... wow

[MiyuEmi]

I personally would be incredibly disappointed if Solas was the next villain, as I've said before.  It's predictable and his story has far more possibility if opened up as a knowledge front.  One of the last true sources of elven history.

 

@Shaftell: I think he holds spirits in such high regard because based on their foundation (wisdom, valour, etc) they are pure and predictable.  He holds spirits in the fade in very high regard because they're untainted.

 

So, hopefully Solas, one of my favourite of the companions, doesn't end up being a very predictable villain which would cheapen his character and its writing IMO.  He is highly complex and I can only hope that the after credits scene existed to confuse and mislead players, rather than introduce us to the next antagonist because, I just don't see Solas as an evil character.

[ThreeF]

I just don't see Solas as an evil character.

 

An antagonist doesn't need to be evil.

[SugarBabe49]

I personally would be incredibly disappointed if Solas was the next villain, as I've said before.  It's predictable and his story has far more possibility if opened up as a knowledge front.  One of the last true sources of elven history.

 

@Shaftell: I think he holds spirits in such high regard because based on their foundation (wisdom, valour, etc) they are pure and predictable.  He holds spirits in the fade in very high regard because they're untainted.

 

So, hopefully Solas, one of my favourite of the companions, doesn't end up being a very predictable villain which would cheapen his character and its writing IMO.  He is highly complex and I can only hope that the after credits scene existed to confuse and mislead players, rather than introduce us to the next antagonist because, I just don't see Solas as an evil character.

 

Same - I think it's because of what we've been told regarding the Gods.

 

Solas calls Morrigan out for reciting the lores of the Gods (that everyone seem to know) while he gives them a different lore.

 

Plus - Mythal. Everyone seemed convinced that Mythal was one of the sealed gods yet we find out that Mythal had been murdered and that Fen'Harel had nothing to do with her murder. Or that Fen'Harel was not the trickster - he was the god of rebellion.

 

This makes me really curious to what is really going on here. And it makes me question if Fen'Harel/Solas was really the one who sealed away the Gods (even though he says they were not Gods - not in the way the Elves believed them - but he can say that considering he was one of them and probably doesn't seem himself as a God).

 

I just wonder if Fen'Harel is really someone they should be worried about or if someone had set up Fen'Harel to be the 'distraction', hiding the true motives behind him so we cannot see what we are supposed to be seeing.

 

For the Fade/Veil - it could be that Fen'Harel set it up or it could be that someone else did (Mythal?)?

 

The quest to activate the orbs was a way to tell when a new rift would appear - even the elf you meet in Hinterland (to start the quest) tells you of the orbs (I got a new update to Inquisition last night so I will see if this quest has been fixed).

 

I don't think Solas will be a bad guy in the next game but someone who is searching for answers. He tells a romanced Lavellan that it is something he needs to do. Cole saying that she is real means they all must be real is a good point. This is a guy who had been asleep for who knows how long then woke up to see the world was worse off - to him - and he needs to fix it.

 

For Lavellan to be real to him - it means everything around him is real. It could be he is just hoping that it is one big nightmare but since we don't get a lot of insight into Solas (or him dodging questions by using the Fade to explain things) we truly don't really know who Solas is - other than the fact that his relationship with Lavellan gives him a complete different card than you get when you don't romance him - showing that the relationship had impacted him in a way that none of us know yet.

 

Plus - I'm all for dragging Solas back and keeping him away from the Old Gods because you can pick up a codex in the Fade that says that 'they are angry and they will be freed' (need to check the codex for full information). The Inquisitor says the Red Lyrium are warm and Cole says they are 'Angry' plus it was around a whole lot longer than the Blight...

 

I'm taking a stab in the dark here and going to say that the Red Lyrium probably belongs to the Old Gods still sealed away and it would be very bad if Solas was to try and free them (so tempt him with whatever we can tempt him with and get his ass back to Skyhold where it's probably safer.)

 

And the ending should be interesting because he does have Mythal's soul/power - is it a good chance he has the ability to command the Inquisitor if they drank from the well? Because mine does and my Lavellan would fight Solas if he is intended to become the 'bad guy' in the next game.

 

She didn't freaking go out of her way to try and prevent this kind of chaos only for her boyfriend to start things up again.

[Nykara]

Remember the Breach isn't about the Veil. It's about the Fade. The Veil keeps the real realm and the Fade apart. Solas wants to get rid of things that keep the two apart. What Corypheus did was to break the two apart.

Not only that he also mentioned something about believing the world wasn't ready for it yet.

[MiyuEmi]

@ThreeF: Understand that, but you would still need to deal with them.  Would just be disappointing.

[Laurelinde]

I'm not sure how much he really cares for any of the denizens of physical Thedas anyways. His dialogue generally implies he looks down on humans, looks down on dwarves, freakin' HATES the Qunari, and vacillates between different levels of loathing for his own people. I suspect that, if his plan is to break the Veil, then he probably figures it would be bad for the majority of people and just doesn't care, because he wouldn't want anyone but the 'worthy' to survive anyway.

No I don't think he cares much for mortals, and it clearly troubles him that he comes to see the IQ as a worthwhile person with depth, I think, because it complicates his worldview. I reckon he sees mortals the way most mortals see spirits: they're not really real, or not 'people'. He thought he had mortals all sussed out, but the IQ manages to surprise him.

But spirits aren't likely to fare well in the immediate aftermath either as they are no more used to dealing with humans than humans are with them. I suppose with his lifespan, he figures short term losses are worth long term gains, if he expects spirits will ultimately come out on top from the chaos.

[Paragonslustre]

If this truly is Solas' goal, isn't it a little, well selfish, for want of a better word?  I mean I don't know the lore as well as some people, but would his plan (if that is his plan) to remove the veil just not release chaos on Thedas?  It's my understanding that what the Dread Wolf did in the past eventually led the Elves to destroying themselves and blaming everyone else in the process.  If this is what he intends then he is no better than Coryfish or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

[LadyJaneGrey]

If this truly is Solas' goal, isn't it a little, well selfish, for want of a better word?  I mean I don't know the lore as well as some people, but would his plan (if that is his plan) to remove the veil just not release chaos on Thedas?  It's my understanding that what the Dread Wolf did in the past eventually led the Elves to destroying themselves and blaming everyone else in the process.  If this is what he intends then he is no better than Coryfish or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

 

Solas reminds me of Anders too.  He can't abide the current world state, concludes he knows what's best, and makes a life-shattering decision for everyone.

[NM_Che56]

I think he's come to have a great deal of respect for humans, dwarfs, etc.  He often seemed surprised by us, in a pleasant way.  He actually says he has a great deal of admiration for the Inquisitor. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

Solas reminds me of Anders too. He can't abide the current world state, concludes he knows what's best, and makes a life-shattering decision for everyone.

I think that is more of where he was when he created the veil (if he is indeed the creator). Now he believes he made a mistake and is trying to undo it....which is kind of like rivaled Anders if you take the Templar route only with a longer time to reflect on the consequences.

[Raoni Luna]

This ain't Korra, god of hobos.

Of course not. Korra is the peak of marvelous. Korra is godlike and supreme. Inquisition would never be Korra not even in Inquisition wettest dreams. As much as Dragon Age is my favorite electronic RPG setting, Korra is lightyears ahead in everything.

[fhs33721]

Surface problems

Not really. Dwarves would be equally affected by the destruction of the veil. Straight from the DAI codex:

 

The Veil is not a physical curtain, not a structure limited to a particular place—it is everywhere. It is in their home, in the streets where they walk, in farmers' fields as well as remote mountain vales. At any moment it could be torn to shreds, allowing demons and other horrors to flood into our world like water through a burst dam.

 

So don't feel too save in your dirty tunnels full of nug-feces and body-odor.

[Tricky_Rich]

Hi all,

 

I haven't posted much since joining and just tend to lurk on these forums but i just had to post on this topic.

 

You see, from the post credits ending, I got a totally different picture of what happened, to the extent that Solas' wishes and plans are no longer relevant to anything. I may be wrong and totally deluded but my understanding of the ending was that Flemeth(Mythal) stole Solas' body (and maybe his soul as well.) She has stayed alive for generations taking over her daughters' bodies, but in this case we saw her dying in Solas' arms and Solas afterwards looking decidedly diabolic with his glowing blue eyes, totally unlike his usual demeanour, whereas Flemeth(Mythal) has always had rather a more ruthless air about her.

 

She let Morrigan go and took the Archdemon's soul from Kieran, then topped everything off by taking over Solas' body. Therefore any future plans orchestrated by "Solas" would actually be plans that Flemeth(Mythal) want to implement, as that is who now has control of his body.

 

Thoughts? I'm perfectly willing to be wrong and corrected on all counts, I just want to try and understand the ending. Maybe there have been other threads about this already, but I haven't been back on this forum in a good while and this thread was currently the most active Solas related one.