I think he's come to have a great deal of respect for humans, dwarfs, etc. He often seemed surprised by us, in a pleasant way. He actually says he has a great deal of admiration for the Inquisitor.
I believe that depends on how you treat him, though, as is the case with most companions. If you're a jerk to him, he won't express that sentiment.
Data mined Dev notes state that Sola's took Flemythal's power and she knew it was going to happen. She let it happen, and she never intended to take over Morrigan, instead wishing to leave Morrigan with the gift of her divine spark (which Morrigan misinterpreted). Since it isn't stated in game though, it is of course subject to change.Thoughts? I'm perfectly willing to be wrong and corrected on all counts, I just want to try and understand the ending. Maybe there has been other threads about this already, but I haven't been back on this forum in a good while and this thread was currently the most active Solas related one.
I suspect that Solas very much wants to undo his "mistake", and free the elven mage-tyrants he imprisoned so long ago, regardless of the consequences to Modern Thedas.
I suspect that Mythal/Flemeth wants the same thing.
I believe, however, that their reasons differ.
I think Solas wants them to resume their rulership over Thedas, thus beginning the reversal of what he sees as thousands of years of elven decline.
I think Mythal wants them released so she can kill the one(s) who betrayed and murdered her, and she can't do that while they are locked up.
I think that, when Solas was stealing Flemeth/Mythal's power, he got a little spiritual hitchhiker who is just waiting for the right moment to take over her old friend's body to persue her own agenda.
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I haven't posted much since joining and just tend to lurk on these forums but i just had to post on this topic.
You see, from the post credits ending, I got a totally different picture of what happened, to the extent that Solas' wishes and plans are no longer relevant to anything. I may be wrong and totally deluded but my understanding of the ending was that Flemeth(Mythal) stole Solas' body (and maybe his soul as well.) She has stayed alive for generations taking over her daughters' bodies, but in this case we saw her dying in Solas' arms and Solas afterwards looking decidedly diabolic with his glowing blue eyes, totally unlike his usual demeanour, whereas Flemeth(Mythal) has always had rather a more ruthless air about her.
She let Morrigan go and took the Archdemon's soul from Kieran, then topped everything off by taking over Solas' body. Therefore any future plans orchestrated by "Solas" would actually be plans that Flemeth(Mythal) want to implement, as that is who now has control of his body.
Thoughts? I'm perfectly willing to be wrong and corrected on all counts, I just want to try and understand the ending. Maybe there have been other threads about this already, but I haven't been back on this forum in a good while and this thread was currently the most active Solas related one.
How do we know for sure that Solas didn't take the soul of Mythal and the old god's soul? The thing you have to keep in mind is that Solas is the fact that he is the vessle for whats known as the trickster god. Everything he said and did should be taken with a grain of salt. It could very well be that he was stringing Flemeth along the entire time as a back up plan or as part of his plan in general.
I suspect that Solas very much wants to undo his "mistake", and free the elven mage-tyrants he imprisoned so long ago, regardless of the consequences to Modern Thedas.
I suspect the Mythal/Flemeth wants the same thing.
I believe, however, that their reasons differ.
I think Solas wants them to resume their ruler ship over Thedas, thus beginning the reversal of what he sees as thousands of years of elven decline.
I think Mythal wants them released so she can kill the one(s) who betrayed and murdered her, and she can't do that while they are locked up.
I think that, when Solas was stealing Flemeth/Mythal's power, he got a little spiritual hitchhiker who is just waiting for the right moment to take over her old friend's body to persue her own agenda.
I disagree, his end game is clearly to free the Elvhan Gods. The reasoning is up in the air beyond he regrets how things turned out. However I don't think he wants to help the current elves as he doesn't view them as real, and w/e his plans are I don't think they are good forodern elves.It's not that he wants to free the tyrants. I get the sense that part of what he did stole immortality from the elves. He wants to restore that, because he sees himself as responsible for what he did to the elves.
But it's a 1000 years past! Who cares? Well Solas does obviously but isn't this the age of man? I do realise this sounds very LOTR's, lol!
I think he's come to have a great deal of respect for humans, dwarfs, etc. He often seemed surprised by us, in a pleasant way. He actually says he has a great deal of admiration for the Inquisitor.
He never really liked my quizzy much. I have no idea what i did wrong with Solas but he barely ever wanted to talk with her. Maybe you get more from him if you romance him? No idea but his character seemed to be lacking dialogue a lot.
He never really liked my quizzy much. I have no idea what i did wrong with Solas but he barely ever wanted to talk with her. Maybe you get more from him if you romance him? No idea but his character seemed to be lacking dialogue a lot.
He liked me a lot but I could not romance him as I was a human mage, I got the scene though where he was very enigmatic and asked me a loaded question about my ... spirit ... and how much he respected me. I was his buddy and everything. I just won't support this character if he's another bloody god wannabe. I never thought I'd say this but I have more respect for Sera.
I think that, when Solas was stealing Flemeth/Mythal's power, he got a little spiritual hitchhiker who is just waiting for the right moment to take over her old friend's body to persue her own agenda.
I like this idea. I don't buy Flemeth(Mythal) letting Solas have his way without some sort of back up plan. Mythal is about REVENGE and I don't see that being fulfilled by letting yourself have all your soul power be taken away. Flemeth/Mythal is not naive in the slightest and would probably expect some sort of shenanigans by a god she knows is a trickster. Hence, the back up plan!
He liked me a lot but I could not romance him as I was a human mage, I got the scene though where he was very enigmatic and asked me a loaded question about my ... spirit ... and how much he respected me. I was his buddy and everything. I just won't support this character if he's another bloody god wannabe. I never thought I'd say this but I have more respect for Sera.
Thats because Sera is quirky, and fun in her own way. She also means well and is generally highly miss-understood as a character. In my first play through I accidently stepped on Sera's toes a few times the wrong way due to lack of understanding of her character. This time around her and my quizzy are friends but I am still struggling with Solas.
I disagree, his end game is clearly to free the Elvhan Gods. The reasoning is up in the air beyond he regrets how things turned out. However I don't think he wants to help the current elves as he doesn't view them as real, and w/e his plans are I don't think they are good forodern elves.
I like this idea. I don't buy Flemeth(Mythal) letting Solas have his way without some sort of back up plan. Mythal is about REVENGE and I don't see that being fulfilled by letting yourself have all your soul power be taken away. Flemeth/Mythal is not naive in the slightest and would probably expect some sort of shenanigans by a god she knows is a trickster. Hence, the back up plan!
I think Flemeth allowed it exactly because it fits her plan. They both say sorry....for different reasons.
Thoughts? I'm perfectly willing to be wrong and corrected on all counts, I just want to try and understand the ending. Maybe there have been other threads about this already, but I haven't been back on this forum in a good while and this thread was currently the most active Solas related one.
Not that it's set on stone, but according to notes found in code Flemeth willingly allowed Solas to take her soul.
I believe that depends on how you treat him, though, as is the case with most companions. If you're a jerk to him, he won't express that sentiment.
Yup. It's worth doing an "irritate all the companions" play-through at least once to shake out all the character development. When Solas tells off a Dalish Inquisitor, he actually admits that he's met very few Dalish before, spent little time with them, and formed most of his opinions about them from hearsay. I nearly fell out of my chair. (Blackwall's disapproval scene adds a lot too.)
He never really liked my quizzy much. I have no idea what i did wrong with Solas but he barely ever wanted to talk with her. Maybe you get more from him if you romance him? No idea but his character seemed to be lacking dialogue a lot.
Solas has very particular ideas about what the Inquisitor's actions and attitudes should be. My second Inquisitor was always polite to him but also truly believed she was the Herald and recruited the Templars. He wasn't too impressed.
I was arguing about elves with Solas as a Lavellan and he says:
"Inquisitor: Someone who spent half his life in the Fade has no ideas?
Solas: Not unless we colapse the Veil and bring back the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no."
Well, sh*t.
Take this and the end credit, and we do seem to have the next antagonist. (Not sure how I feel about it, honestly. Despite his occasional condescension, Solas was intriguing, a much better character than I expected. Of course, we then learn that pretty much everything that happens in DAI is a direct consequence of his earlier actions...)
I did start to wonder about his remarks though: sure, he says the elven people need him. But he doesn't seem yearning for the "glory days" (tells Dorian I think that Arlathan was civilized, but ultimately corrupt, etc.) Not sure how weakening the veil would fit with this. Especially if the veil had been created to seal off the elven gods of old (not confirmed, but I think there's evidence to support this).
If we do get more Solas content (and I hope we do) then I have the feeling that how we acted toward him and the decisions we made during the main game is going to make a difference in his goals and personality. Kind of like how we influenced Leliana's personality and who would become Divine.
I could be completely wrong though. 
He never really liked my quizzy much. I have no idea what i did wrong with Solas but he barely ever wanted to talk with her. Maybe you get more from him if you romance him? No idea but his character seemed to be lacking dialogue a lot.
I learned this: Be sympathetic, especially to the spirit world. Keep and open mind about the Fade and don't just assume that spirits being here are a bad thing.
@TK514: I think this is it for Flemeth, well, I hope this is it for Flemeth. I'm all for repeated characters in certain games, but only if they consistently suit the story/material and in my opinion, Morrigan and Flemeth stopped suiting the material back in DA:O. That's just my opinion though. I know a lot of people love their characters, but I don't and I personally am happy to see the back of them. They're not villains and they just feel to be getting in the way of further story development.
It as good a theory as any, and it tracks with this:
- Sandal: One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide.
- Bodahn: Huh. What's this?
- Sandal: When he rises, everyone will see.
The skies have already opened, the fade and thedas becoming one sounds like magic coming back to me.
The sky are already closed and after his debacle Sandal had decided to not be present in DAI.
If Solas wanted to destroy the Veil then why would he even introduce the notion of using the mark to close them?
Perhaps destroying the veil creates problems. He may want to get rid of it but using blunt force (like Corypheus did) just confuses the demons that pour through.
We know that the Breach will tear the Veil apart - Solas states as much in the future timeline when in the courtyard. I wonder if thats what his Orb was meant to do. I wonder what was the mistake then?
Well, it's pretty unclear of what he wants. According to the developers he wants to abduct and put all God souls inside a single body. I don't think he would want to make Thedas and the Veil a single thing. After all the dread wolf was the one who trapped the elven gods in the veil....
Sounds like he's going to be a loghain type villian.
There can only be one Loghain, everything else would be just an Imitation,even if Solas had thousand of years he will never reach the Loghain's paranoia.
I was arguing about elves with Solas as a Lavellan and he says:
"Inquisitor: Someone who spent half his life in the Fade has no ideas?
Solas: Not unless we colapse the Veil and bring back the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no."
Well, sh*t.
Oh my gosh~ That makes so much sense given what the orb does - allows Coryfish to open a door to the Fade and start tearing it apart - except Solas' plan goes to ****** because Coryfish doesn't open the door and perish, he opens the door and survives and decides to try to use the Fade to shape the world in his creepydarkspawnmagister image. EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW. (And I loved Solas -platonically- as my human mage Inquizzy *feels betrayed*)
Oh my gosh~ That makes so much sense given what the orb does - allows Coryfish to open a door to the Fade and start tearing it apart - except Solas' plan goes to ****** because Coryfish doesn't open the door and perish, he opens the door and survives and decides to try to use the Fade to shape the world in his creepydarkspawnmagister image. EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW. (And I loved Solas -platonically- as my human mage Inquizzy *feels betrayed*)
That's not quite true though. Tearing the Veil like that results in what we saw - demons everywhere and problems all around. IF his plan is to remove the Veil, like so many believe, that was probably not going to be the way he would do it.
Is the Veil a natural phenomenon? I somewhat got an impression that it hasn't always been existed in Thedas' history.
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