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[thesuperdarkone2]

Well, if Solas does wind up being an antagonist and we face him in a DLC, what do you think is going to happen to Inquisitor's who drank from the Well? 

[Statare]

Don't know if this has been brought up, but I was just wondering if there was anyone who, like me, when you first saw the ending with Solas and Flemeth... Solas says "But the people... they need me." The first couple times I saw this, I thought he was talking about the Elven people but now thinking back on it, he's talking to Mythal, who, while possibly having been an elf in the past, is also a goddess. So at first I thought Solas was talking with his former Elven friend Mythal about his desire to restore the Elves to their former glory, but now I think that he was talking about the Elven Gods. I was wondering what his plan to restore the Elves would be but now if he is actually talking about the Gods, then this  seems much more interesting, and ties in with his orb, supposedly it was supposed to open a way into the Fade right? Because he would need to go into the Fade to free the Elves. Man, I'm a little ashamed I didn't realize this at least the second time I saw it. Many more things make sense when you think about it as though he is speaking about the Gods.

 

Yeah, I know I'm slow, I just wanted to know if anyone else is as slow as me.

 

I do think the whole "People" thing is intentionally vague, but remembering back to DA2 when Hawke resurrects Flemeth/Mythal on Sundermount with Merrill I think we get a clue. When Merrill bows before Flemeth and greets her in Elvish, Flemeth refers to Merrill as "one of the People" and says that the People bow too easily. So Flemeth also uses the term "People" to refer to the Elves (like the Elves sometimes do themselves), so Solas speaking to Flemeth probably was referring to the same "People" Flemeth did in DA2, and it is probably something to do with the Elves. It might be a cultural term versus a racial term, or it might have an additional meaning we don't know having to do with blood (after all, Merrill, like the ancient elves, had the "gift" so the "People" could, for example, be specifically Elves with magic).

[KainD]

Quite the ''antagonist'' I see.

[Lord Stark]

I honestly wonder why there wasn't an option to simply open a rift and send Solas into the fade for good.  

[KainD]

I honestly wonder why there wasn't an option to simply open a rift and send Solas into the fade for good.

Same reason why there wasn't an option to not seal the breach - that is not the story bioware wants to tell.

[Dinerenblanc]

I'm in the middle of my second play through and I've come to realize that every character hints at their future revelations, if they have one, quite often in their conversations. However, Solas does it the most by far.

[MiyuEmi]

I'm in the middle of my second play through and I've come to realize that every character hints at their future revelations, if they have one, quite often in their conversations. However, Solas does it the most by far.

 

All you have to do is have Cole in your party alongside all of the other companions.  He spills the beans on everyone and also reveals, cryptically, key plot points for the game generally.  Solas and Cole are my favourite characters, so I have them in a party together often.  Cole very clearly hints that Solas is trying to redeem himself, that he was not wrong for his decision and so on.

[Dinerenblanc]

All you have to do is have Cole in your party alongside all of the other companions.  He spills the beans on everyone and also reveals, cryptically, key plot points for the game generally.  Solas and Cole are my favourite characters, so I have them in a party together often.  Cole very clearly hints that Solas is trying to redeem himself, that he was not wrong for his decision and so on.

 

Funny you should mention that since Cole is the only character I've never used. I'll probably take him out for a whirl this time around since I'm playing  a warrior. I played as a rogue last time and never felt the need to have two rogues in a party.

[MiyuEmi]

Funny you should mention that since Cole is the only character I've never used. I'll probably take him out for a whirl this time around since I'm playing  a warrior. I played as a rogue last time and never felt the need to have two rogues in a party.

 

Hope you'll learn to love him.

[Dinerenblanc]

Hope you'll learn to love him.

Well, I already like his character, so there's no doubt that I'll enjoy his company. I'll just have to figure out who to bring with me in my party. I'm definitely not bringing Vivienne or Blackwall since I used them a ton in my last playthrough. I'm also not a fan of Vivienne's inability to get along with anyone, and Blackwall's post-reveal "conversations" are way too depressing.

[SwobyJ]

I find it hard to NOT include Cole. He goes down quickly in a fight, but I don't care.

[MiyuEmi]

Well, I already like his character, so there's no doubt that I'll enjoy his company. I'll just have to figure out who to bring with me in my party. I'm definitely not bringing Vivienne or Blackwall since I used them a ton in my last playthrough. I'm also not a fan of Vivienne's inability to get along with anyone, and Blackwall's post-reveal "conversations" are way too depressing.

 

If you have Cole and Blackwall in a party together, Cole will reveal very...telling things about Blackwall.  It takes a bit for this dialogue to happen, so don't exclude Blackwall if you really like using his character!

[MiyuEmi]

I find it hard to NOT include Cole. He goes down quickly in a fight, but I don't care.

 

I have two favourite characters, he's the second one.  I keep him in the fight and babysit him if I have to.  Once his tree is filled completely he is extremely deadly.  Love it.

[MisterJB]

 

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Can't like twice so have a quote.

[Bigdoser]

Wow spot on Mister.

[KumoriYami]

Well, if Solas does wind up being an antagonist and we face him in a DLC, what do you think is going to happen to Inquisitor's who drank from the Well? 

If that happens, Inq will be completely powerless before him probably because of mythal. He'll probably go into a speech about being Mythal's creature and how Inq is bound to them... more sad if romanced.

 

Makes you wonder though, if Solas received a part of Mythal, and the Inq is Mythal's creature, who is to say that he isn't controlling your thoughts and actions without you knowing? Alternatively, why would he let the Inq to look to Tevinter if they plan on stopping him unless he has some plans of his own for the Imperium...? *dum dum dahhhh*

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

If that happens, Inq will be completely powerless before him probably because of mythal. He'll probably go into a speech about being Mythal's creature and how Inq is bound to them... more sad if romanced.

 

Makes you wonder though, if Solas received a part of Mythal, and the Inq is Mythal's creature, who is to say that he isn't controlling your thoughts and actions without you knowing? Alternatively, why would he let the Inq to look to Tevinter if they plan on stopping him unless he has some plans of his own for the Imperium...? *dum dum dahhhh*

My understanding is that the Inquisitor is now permanently retired as an actual combatant before Solas tips his hand. (Pun not intended.) So while this could have been an interesting showdown, it isn't going to happen. Kinda a pity, since if the Inky absorbed Mythal and canceled out the geas that way it would have been freaking cool.

[KumoriYami]

My understanding is that the Inquisitor is now permanently retired before Solas tips his hand. (Pun not intended.) So while this could have been an interesting showdown, it isn't going to happen. Kinda a pity, since if the Inky absorbed Mythal and canceled out the geas that way it would have been freaking cool.

 

The Inquisitor doesn't absorb Mythal if she drinks from the Well of Sorrows. She/he becomes tied to Mythal, similarly how Abelas and the other Sentinels are. Solas even says 'you are Mythal's creature now," and how everything that the Inquisitor does will be for her in the future. I think the geas is just what made people close by to the Well instinctively want to consume from the well.   

 

Regarding the 'permanently retired part', I don't think the part where the Inquisitor talks about looking to Tevinter for help is a sign of being retired. Even without the Inquisition itself, the Inquisitor will still have some influence (maybe more if you helped the Archon as opposed to the King of Nevrra), and says that regardless of what choice, Solas has to be helped/stopped, and that they have to intervene if they want to 'save the world'.

 

Besides, I don't think most people in the right mind would do absolutely nothing when hearing that one of their friends/allies/lover says that they're going to go destroy the world.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Inquisitor doesn't absorb Mythal if she drinks from the Well of Sorrows. She/he becomes tied to Mythal, similarly how Abelas and the other Sentinels are. Solas even says 'you are Mythal's creature now," and how everything that the Inquisitor does will be for her in the future. I think the geas is just what made people close by to the Well instinctively want to consume from the well.   

 

Regarding the 'permanently retired part', I don't think the part where the Inquisitor talks about looking to Tevinter for help is a sign of being retired. Even without the Inquisition itself, the Inquisitor will still have some influence (maybe more if you helped the Archon as opposed to the King of Nevrra), and says that regardless of what choice, Solas has to be helped/stopped, and that they have to intervene if they want to 'save the world'.

 

Besides, I don't think most people in the right mind would do absolutely nothing when hearing that one of their friends/allies/lover says that they're going to go destroy the world.

What I meant by the "absorbing Mythal" bit was that if Inky had somehow beaten Solas/Mythal despite the geas*, and then absorbed Mythal and Fen'Harel (and possibly Urthemiel) himself, then it no longer matters whether he's geased due to being forced to do whatever Mythal (ie Inky) wants.

 

What I meant by "permanently retired" was that Inky can no longer personally confront Solas. Inky can't fight anymore. So unless Mythal's power over Inky has unlimited range (which I suppose is possible) the Inky's not going to be within close enough reach for Solas to do anything to him. And at any rate he's certainly not going to be close enough that it matters whether the paragraph above is possible.

 

Is it clear this is meant in the literal sense? Because I wouldn't necessarily object to utterly wrecking Thedas's political system. (Or at least as far as most of it goes, since I see an argument to the Circle assuming all my fears about mage freedom don't get proven wrong by the next game.) Though if that was the case I might try to help, so if that's what you meant by "nobody in their right mind would do absolutely nothing" you're still right I guess.

 

* My best guess for how this would happen would be communicating to his allies that he wants it done at which point two of them tie up Inky and the rest go after Solas.

[Bowie Hawkins]

It as good a theory as any, and it tracks with this:

 

• Sandal: One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide.
• Bodahn: Huh. What's this?
• Sandal: When he rises, everyone will see.

 

I had assumed that Sandal was talking about Corypheus, but you could be right there...

 

I find it hard to NOT include Cole. He goes down quickly in a fight, but I don't care.

 

Make him daggers that include a masterwork component that gives Guard on a hit, and he'll last longer.

[SwobyJ]

I had assumed that Sandal was talking about Corypheus, but you could be right there...

 

 

Make him daggers that include a masterwork component that gives Guard on a hit, and he'll last longer.

 

Sweet, thanks.

 

In my Nightmare playthrough I'm 6/10 zones basically done, 4/7 main quests done, 0/10 dragons, no DLC - so I'm around Tier 2-3 for crafting. I'll keep in mind this for when I craft Tier 3 daggers for Cole. Even with two mages he goes down quickly and I don't have the patience to manually control him or use a lot of tactics.

[D_Schattenjager]

Good prediction OP

[Cobra's_back]

He had to know that the orb would rip open the veil. So why did he fight so hard to seal the rift instead of expanding it? Maybe he wants the Fade to envelop the waking world instead of just opening the Fade? Doesn't it seem like the two couldn't coexist in the same space?

 

It was hurting spirits and they are important to him. Current living races not so important. He expects most will die. Solas stated, "the return of his people mean the end of yours". I don't even think modern Elves are his people. He stated all will die in comfort.