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[Master Warder Z_]

Their hate for humans is warranted

Because it's humanity's fault they keep losing wars.

Well it is I suppose...but it's hardly unprovoked.

[Aimi]

oh look it's another Dalish thread in disguise

lemme go run screaming in the other direction

[Master Warder Z_]

oh look it's another Dalish thread in disguise

lemme go run screaming in the other direction

Don't blame you.

[Luckyanna]

The comment is even more amusing considering it comes from a dwarf. 

 

To be fair, Harding is a surface dwarf, they tend to be friendlier then the ones from Orzammar.

[I present Chuck Bass]

I thought it was going to be another one of those, "Y U no romance?" threads.. just worded differently.

Are you implying there is enough of those already?
Because certainly there is not.
We need more.

[Precursor Meta]

But Dalish elves are like that. Even Solas the most Elfy of all elves think that.

[Melca36]

She's not wrong.

Dalish people often are very anti-social to say the least. It's a simple fact.

 

Olafin...the friendly Dalish in the Exalted Plains was right. Its time to let it go.

 

[Iakus]

The clans only meet during the Arlathvenn due to the dangers faced by the Dalish; being nomadic is a means of survival, as Merrill explains.

Which is true.

 

But it doesn't change the fact that Dalish, in general, focus on the People first, even above other (ie city) elves.  

[rda]

To be fair, Harding is a surface dwarf, they tend to be friendlier then the ones from Orzammar.

Friendlier, but still very clannish. The best parallel I can think of is an ethnic community in a larger city. Sure, they might go out and about and conduct business, and even have a friend or two (perhaps) outside of the community, but at the end of the day they're not exactly what I would call well-integrated.

[Eliastion]

Dalish ARE isolationist generally speaking... Though the "generally speaking" part is very important. "Dalish culture" makes about as much sense as "human culture" nowadays, or at least "Southern Thedas culture". Every clan is different, they range from nomads interacting and trading with other races on regular basis to pretty much bandits with tattoed faces who "interact" with everyone they can steal from on some traderoute to hard-line isolationists that shoot you for getting near their camp and then check what shape your ears have...

 

And, above all else, there are stereotypes, in Orlais it's mostly the evil bandits/dangerous wild people  while in Ferelden it would be the mysterious isolationist people you better steer clear of since they can be dangerous if you anger them (by not minding your own business, for example).

When it comes to Harding, she's going by those stereotypes, and while admittedly the Warden could've been a Dalish, Wardens in general ten do be perceived as race-less. Race: Warden. It's even stronger than race: mage distinction. Of course, then there is the potential involvement of Dalish in Battle for Denerim and if you put all the possible dalish elements int your world-state it gets somewhat strange that Harding uses those exact words... But I don't think it's really that big of an issue.

 

Solas is an arsehole, on the other hand

[LobselVith8]

Which is true.

 

But it doesn't change the fact that Dalish, in general, focus on the People first, even above other (ie city) elves.  

 

Well, in general, the People focus on their own survival, due to the criminalization of their religion; it's not as though the Dalish are afforded much of an opportunity to help others (including the Andrastian or Qunari elves) when they are trying to survive on a continent that is mostly hostile towards them (the humans who follow the Natural Order in the kingdom of Rivain seems to be the exception).

 

The clans did sign a treaty to help the Grey Wardens during the Blight, after losing their homeland. It's what makes Harding's generalization of the Dalish troubling, although she's also the only character who shows empathy when the elven Inquisitor is in the Dales and reminisces over all the lives lost in the region during the Exalted March; I simply think it was poorly worded (or said, depending on how you view it).

 

However, we do see the Dalish lend their hand to the Andrastian elves; we know Zathrian's clan took in Lanaya and Aneirin (saving them first, and then allowing them sanctuary when they wanted to join, instead of returning to Andrastian society), while Pol was taken in by Clan Sabrae, and Ariane mentioned her clan took in a Circle mage. Merrill takes care of the elves left homeless because of the Mage-Templar War (and she argued that their plight mattered during the main storyline of Dragon Age II), while Clan Lavellan refuse to leave Wycome when the Wycome elves face danger from the approaching Marcher cities, even though it seems as though the Dalish face imminent death.

[leaguer of one]

It is a bit odd if you consider that the Dalish could have helped save Ferelden during the Fifth Blight, and Merrill could be a prominent figure in Kirkwall. It's poorly worded dialogue (or maybe reflective of Andrastian ignorance about the Dalish), but she is empathetic when the elven Inquisitor solemnly says the Dalish mantra in the Dales, reminiscing over the lives lost generations ago.

1. The warden was forced into it if dalish.

2. Merrill was exiled.

[Eliastion]

1. The warden was forced into it if dalish.

2. Merrill was exiled.

1. Was he, really? Him being GW first and Dalish elf second definitely takes away from the "elves helping humans" thing, but think about it - he wakes up to see the army broken, Wardens blamed for defeat and outlawed... Any normal person with half a brain would likely pack up and run to Orlais. Especially since Warden's own clan was on the move to get away from Blight, so (unlike every other origin except the dwarf) Dalish Warden doesn't really have friends or family in Ferelden...

Also, there are (quite likely, especially for dalish warden) dalish reinforcements in Battle of Denerim.

Unlike some people I didn't really see Harding's statement as seriously offensive, but depending on world state it definitely CAN be a bit strange.

[Ashevajak]

By now you should know that all races in Thedas are arrogant, prejudiced, violent morons. 

 

Well, except nugs.  Truly the master race of Thedas, right there.

[Iakus]

Well, in general, the People focus on their own survival, due to the criminalization of their religion; it's not as though the Dalish are afforded much of an opportunity to help others (including the Andrastian or Qunari elves) when they are trying to survive on a continent that is mostly hostile towards them (the humans who follow the Natural Order in the kingdom of Rivain seems to be the exception).

 

The clans did sign a treaty to help the Grey Wardens during the Blight, after losing their homeland. It's what makes Harding's generalization of the Dalish troubling, although she's also the only character who shows empathy when the elven Inquisitor is in the Dales and reminisces over all the lives lost in the region during the Exalted March; I simply think it was poorly worded (or said, depending on how you view it).

 

However, we do see the Dalish lend their hand to the Andrastian elves; we know Zathrian's clan took in Lanaya and Aneirin (saving them first, and then allowing them sanctuary when they wanted to join, instead of returning to Andrastian society), while Pol was taken in by Clan Sabrae, and Ariane mentioned her clan took in a Circle mage. Merrill takes care of the elves left homeless because of the Mage-Templar War (and she argued that their plight mattered during the main storyline of Dragon Age II), while Clan Lavellan refuse to leave Wycome when the Wycome elves face danger from the approaching Marcher cities, even though it seems as though the Dalish face imminent death.

I never said it wasn't understandable, or even necessarilly wrong.  But their isolationist tendancies are there.  And therefore it is understandable when one of the People steps in to aid humans. 

 

Yes, some clans take in city elves.  But not all.  Clan Virnhen, for example, didn't consider city elves to be elves at all, but "flat-ears"   And Merrill was herself a pariah exiled from her clan when helping the elves of Kirkwall's alienage. 

[LobselVith8]

I never said it wasn't understandable, or even necessarilly wrong.  But their isolationist tendancies are there.  And therefore it is understandable when one of the People steps in to aid humans. 

 

Yes, some clans take in city elves.  But not all.  Clan Virnhen, for example, didn't consider city elves to be elves at all, but "flat-ears"   And Merrill was herself a pariah exiled from her clan when helping the elves of Kirkwall's alienage. 

 

Clan Sabrae took in Pol, however, so that isn't a good example, especially as the clan can even take in Feynriel; Merrill left the clan because she refused to abandon her efforts to build the Eluvian, not because of her views on the Andrastian elves.