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[Greetsme]

At last a truthful review.

 

http://www.rpgcodex....ent.php?id=9752

[In Exile]

"RPG Codex hates Bioware, their opinion is invalid"

They think Bioware went wrong at BG2 so there's that.

[Lebanese Dude]

Yes. One negative review supersedes the vast number of positive ones because it validates your opinion. 

 

[KaiserShep]

That doesn't equal hate, and last I checked BG2 was generally well received on those forums, along with the NWN2 expansions, and their DA:O review was slightly positive as well.

Only slightly? Why don't they just post a video of someone wiping with the disc?

[fizzypop]

EA is the worst I don't know why people are surprised when their games fail to live up to standards. To be honest though I feel that way about the whole gaming industry. I miss the years when there was quality games I actually wanted to play.

[Lebanese Dude]

"Slightly positive" compared to what you might expect, it was also nowhere near as bad as Inquisition's.

 

Right and those opinions are not skewed by people's expectations of a static unevolving game. Don't 90% of complaints about DAI on these forums amount to: It's not like DAO's ______ so I dislike it.

Good thing the general public enjoys new games for what they are rather what "they could have been".

[In Exile]

That doesn't equal hate, and last I checked BG2 was generally well received on those forums, along with the NWN2 expansions, their DA:O review was slightly positive as well.

I didn't say it equaled hate. RPGCodex even in a charitable light has a very different take on what makes a fun and proper RPG. I think their love of Gold Box era games or IWD is indefensible but all of this is a huge YMMV.

My point is simply that they have never been fond of Bioware games. They tolerate them when the games are mechanically similar to games they truly appreciate but that's it.

[Lebanese Dude]

Nope. I was also talking about the games' reviews on rpgcodex, not sure what post you're reading.

 

Either way, it's clear they have a bias against BioWare's style judging by their history of reviews. 

[Greetsme]

Yes. One negative review supersedes the vast number of positive ones because it validates your opinion. 

 

 

 

I think it helps greatly that these reviewers actually played the game before giving judgment as apposed to the many reviews that either done a quick copy/paste of somebody else's review, threw anything together to be one of the first with a review, or made their decisions purely on how nice the box art was.

[Lebanese Dude]

I think it helps greatly that these reviewers actually played the game before giving judgment as apposed to the many reviews that either done a quick copy/paste of somebody else's review, threw anything together to be one of the first with a review, or made their decisions purely on how nice the box art was.

Those assumptions though. Not gonna even bother.

[KaiserShep]

Amusing site. Now I know that "storyfag" is a word.

[In Exile]

And my point was that it doesn't invalidate their opinion, Inquisition's review is actually pretty typical, it'd be hard trying to dismiss it as ramblings of some random website that only focuses on and worships the most esoteric aspects of RPGs. The review certainly doesn't stink of an old timer being pissed that Inquisition is yet another failure at replicating PS:T.

They don't like PS:T either.

I never said anything about the review. All I said was that the Codex's reputation is not undeserved.

[Lebanese Dude]

The inverse could be said for every major website like IGN or gamespot - they have a bias for Bioware. But it should be pointed out only if they have a bias against BioWare?

Why are you using those major websites to make a point? It's clear that those sites are more or less biased towards AAA RPGs in general.

[Cyonan]

lol, RPGcodex.

 

With that out of the way I enjoyed the game, so the entire rest of the planet is irrelevant to my opinion of it.

 

but it's really not surprising that RPGcodex didn't like it. It would have been far more surprising if they did like it.

[Lebanese Dude]

I'm making a point that this review is no more biased than your typical major gaming website review. But for some reason, recognizing bias is important only if the review is critical.

 

No that's not what I meant. The point is that this particular bias is rather distinctive.

 

All reviews from different websites have bias because they are are written by people with different interests.

 

Selectively using one review as the veritable opinion on the game is incorrect, as it presupposes that all other reviews that conflict with it are wrong in their judgment.

 

Only by using a significant number of reviews can you get a clearer picture of the quality of the game to account for all the different tastes and perspectives.

 

Given that the reviews for DAI has been overwhelmingly positive, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that people generally favor DAI.

 

So using this particular review to justify any point about "DAI being bad" is simply wrong, which is what the OP is trying to do.

[atlantico]

They think Bioware went wrong at BG2 so there's that.

 

They're a hive mind like BSN?

[In Exile]

They're a hive mind like BSN?

The BSN isn't a hive mind; but from what I can see the Codex is more of a gathering of likeminded people.

[In Exile]

They do. Even if they don't, replace PS:T with IWD or some sort of bootleg RPG from the 80s and the point stays the same.

I realize you never said anything about the review. I'm saying that their "deserved reputation" doesn't automatically make the review invalid.

But once you get to IWD you get to an RPG that's basically the anti-Bioware game. That's the point: features one could very well love become negatives. Because it's all about taste.

[Lebanese Dude]

Which is also the case with rpgcodex.

 

Don't really care about the rest of your tangent.

 

It's hardly a tangent given that's the entire point of the thread. 

 

Of course you're selectively dismissing the argument to make your point. Makes sense given what you're trying to accomplish. Kinda transparent really.

 

Peace.

[Greetsme]

Those assumptions though. Not gonna even bother.

 

So you never thought it slightly suspicious that most of these so-called positive reviews were written within a day or two, if not hours, after the games hit the shelves?

Nor that the reviews seem to resemble the same pattern in there actual wording.

 

I mean for crying out loud, it was 'game of the year' before most people had the cellophane of the box.

[In Exile]

Sure, but have fun proving that all of those people hate on Inquisition just because it can't measure up to their beloved IWD. Mine was just an example, saying how that review doesn't sound like it was written by someone that was bitter about Inquisition not being 100% IWD.

If we're going to get into the review on substance, well, it isn't wrong in its description, just in its comparison to essentially everything and in particular the games it lists at the outset.

But in any event, my point is that evaluating a great deal of features is all about taste. While I don't think it's an absolute, someone who tends to enjoy a game like IWD will not like a Bioware game in theory unless it happens to have a very particular kind of isometric combat mechanics.

[In Exile]

So you never thought it slightly suspicious that most of these so-called positive reviews were written within a day or two, if not hours, after the games hit the shelves?
Nor that the reviews seem to resemble the same pattern in there actual wording.

I mean for crying out loud, it was 'game of the year' before most people had the cellophane of the box.

I could beat a game and write a review in a day. DAI is an exception because it has 100+ hours of content but as far as I recall there was no embargo on reviews.

[wolfhowwl]

There was a review embargo. It was lifted like a week before release.

[KaiserShep]

Briefly skimming here and there, but I must say that I do appreciate the shout out to DA2's tighter storytelling, which I always felt was a bit underappreciated, and would love to get again to some extent in a future title.

 

Another thing pointed out in the review, which I feel would be a very interesting if not potentially frustrating dynamic, would be the ability to have your views as the protagonist be discussed among companions, and possibly getting you in trouble for being duplicitous, the example used being agreeing with Vivienne's views on mages then agreeing with Solas'.

[NRieh]

....One would think that a person who makes a screencaps for a game review on a big site is supposed use a decent PC and\or something other than 'low' for meshes\textures settings.

 

Because that plastic lego-hair, you, know...