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[SofaJockey]

Badges, awards, favorite sweets, it matters not one iota.  The game is bland, boring, badly designed, badly thought out and a complete waste of not only the programmers time but those that try so hard to like it.

You can not polish it, how ever hard you try.  

I am upset as many Bioware fans are.  We really wanted this to be the next dragon age, as compelling as the first, but it's not, it's not even close, in fact it's a million miles of target. 

 

No-one is denying your entitlement to be disappointed with the game, that personal view deserves respect.

To take a specific instance and state that like your own view, it is the view held by the majority, deserves disrespect and the facts pointing out.

You disrespect the views of those who do like it by suggesting that they are misguided or are doing so out of some fanboy devotion.

 

I'm sure the dlc and DA4 will follow the themes set by their success, adding some features that Frostbite 3 could not accommodate this time.

 

I don't need to polish anything.

That is a task before whoever is filling BioWare's trophy cabinet 

[Riven326]

I think 'not so angry Joe', pooped himself slightly when he was in danger of loosing his lazy life style, having to buckle down somewhat and lessen his tone.

I think it's just the natural evolution of things. There are so many copy cats on YouTube doing "angry" reviews now. Personally, I think he does such an excellent job of reviewing games that he no longer really needs the Angry Joe persona. I almost always skip skip straight to the review anyway, barring of course the occasional "You done fucked it up!" intro that I just can't get enough of.

 

Angry Joe was certainly not happy with the micro transactions... 

Neither was I.

[Paul E Dangerously]

They've got a lot of valid points, but don't expect BSN to admit it. The general response to any criticism is "circle the wagons".

 

I'd also disagree with the title, because vacuum cleaning is at least rewarding. You get a clean floor. DAI, on the other hand, massively fails at rewards for the vast majority of quests. I can't tell you how many times it felt like I was just wasting my time. No real financial reward, no real material reward, nothing in the world changed, just a tiny, tiny XP boost and that's it.

 

You get rewarded more for mindless craft-grinding than you do questing. When you're somehow even worse than Skyrim in that regard, you really need to take a step back and give things a good, hard examination.

[Greetsme]

 

 

I'd also disagree with the title, because vacuum cleaning is at least rewarding. You get a clean floor. DAI, on the other hand, massively fails at rewards for the vast majority of quests. I can't tell you how many times it felt like I was just wasting my time. No real financial reward, no real material reward, nothing in the world changed, just a tiny, tiny XP boost and that's it.

You know something?  It's crazy I know, but I think your closer to the truth than I dare to think.

[Riven326]

Can you imagine being a play tester for this game?

 

[Cyonan]

What I find amusing here is that so many people act like their opinion is fact, and any reviewer who disagrees with that is "not being honest".

 

You can call it "the truth" all you want, it's never going to make your opinion objectively correct.

[Paul E Dangerously]

You know something?  It's crazy I know, but I think your closer to the truth than I dare to think.

 

The sad thing? I can't drag myself back to DAI because of it. I've played DA2 probably four times (compared to Origins, which I've finished at least twelve), but DAI? Once.
 

Bioware's just killed it to the point I can't even enjoy it. DA2, held together by twistees and duct tape, is more fun for me than DAI, despite DAI being technically "better". And that game killed a lot of the stuff Origins did well.

 

I also made the mistake of grabbing Witcher 2 while waiting in vain hope for Bioware to make the 360 version of DAI remotely playable. It's even harder to think about going back to DAI now.

 

ME3? Defended it despite the silly endings. DA2? Disappointing, but it did some stuff well. DAI? I actually feel ripped off. I'm more forgiving than most, and when all I can see of DAI is an unrewarding, oversimplified husk of a game, there's a problem. It's mindless and soulless. It's effectively the iceberg lettuce in a sandwich.

[Sylvius the Mad]

No, the complaint is that I enjoy going back to a five year old game more than playing Inqusition. Paying for a new AAA title only to go back to playing an older game I already own seems like a bad deal for me.

If that's a problem, you need to get better at buying games.

What you describe is a regular occurrence for me, but I don't see it as a problem. There are old games I like, and others I haven't had a chance to play yet. But I know my tastes better than any reviewer could, so I get new games so I can try them out. If they're bad, I go back to older games.

Some games aren't for me. But I can't know that about any game until I try it. So I often will buy a new game, try it for a short time, and then abandon it forever to play something older.

[Riven326]

What I find amusing here is that so many people act like their opinion is fact, and any reviewer who disagrees with that is "not being honest".

 

You can call it "the truth" all you want, it's never going to make your opinion objectively correct.

Do you honestly believe that sites like IGN and GameSpot are just as honest and critical of a game than an independent reviewer who doesn't answer to anyone, and is free to say whatever they want about a game without fear of reprisal by a big publisher like EA or being penalized by their superiors?

[Cyonan]

Do you honestly believe that sites like IGN and GameSpot are just as honest and critical of a game than an independent reviewer who doesn't answer to anyone, and is free to say whatever they want about a game without fear of reprisal by a big publisher like EA or being penalized by their superiors?

 

There are independent reviewers who like the game, but the entire tone of this thread is "Finally, an honest review!" because the OP found one that hates on the game.

 

There are plenty of people out there being dishonest. My point is that according to some people in this thread, apparently only the ones who like the game are dishonest because they have a different opinion.

[Greetsme]

There are independent reviewers who like the game, but the entire tone of this thread is "Finally, an honest review!" because the OP found one that hates on the game.

 

There are plenty of people out there being dishonest. My point is that according to some people in this thread, apparently only the ones who like the game are dishonest because they have a different opinion.

If you can post positive reviews because you say you like the game, then I can post negative reviews and hate it with a clear conscience..  7it 4 tat.

[Riven326]

There are independent reviewers who like the game, but the entire tone of this thread is "Finally, an honest review!" because the OP found one that hates on the game.

 

There are plenty of people out there being dishonest. My point is that according to some people in this thread, apparently only the ones who like the game are dishonest because they have a different opinion.

Fair enough.

[Nefla]

Yes. One negative review supersedes the vast number of positive ones because it validates your opinion. 

 

As someone who has a generally negative opinion on DA:I, I agree. There's no reason to believe a reviewer is lying about liking the game to kiss up to EA or something any more than there is to believe they're lying about disliking it because they're a hipster. Some people will agree with you and like the same things, others will not.

[Lebanese Dude]

Can you imagine being a play tester for this game?

 

 

It's fun sometimes. It can be horrible depending on the game, the duration, and the task.

 

These images remind me of when I was testing a build for a "complex" puzzle game. I think I had a headache the entire next day. *shiver*

[Miggs]

Nice thread for the NO spoiler forum. 

[In Exile]

they don't like the combat in PS:T, which is fairly justifiable. Whats your problem with them, anyway? These guys are massive supporters of kickstarter pledges that interest them, with more than $10,000 donated to games like divinity and wasteland 2. They're also passionate enough to actually go out there and make their own dream games. The people who started the community are the developers of age of decadence, which has been a long time in the making and is steadily growing in popularity as it nears completion and I think I've heard of other members working on other projects. When was the last time the whiners of BSN ever did anything productive?

I don't have a problem with them beyond pointing out repeatedly that there are some things about RPGs - and games generally - that come down to taste.

I could say that a game focuses on creating your own party. This is an objective description. But I could also say that this is a terrible game where you create a souless group of hive mind combat machines that is just a comvat simulator, not an RPG, or a phenomenal RPG that allows you to create your own party as it should be in RPGs.

They make stuff that suits their tastes. That's good for them, but for those who don't share their tastes, why exactly does that matter?

[Riven326]

As someone who has a generally negative opinion on DA:I, I agree. There's no reason to believe a reviewer is lying about liking the game to kiss up to EA or something any more than there is to believe they're lying about disliking it because they're a hipster. Some people will agree with you and like the same things, others will not.

Except for the fact that those websites and magazines are being paid by publishers to run ads and given incentives to write a good review for their next big game. Which is important because those outlets rely on publishers paying them big bucks for ad space and to some extent, free review copies. In contrast, independent reviewers don't rely on a publisher's good will or money to continue to produce original content. This automatically makes them a more viable option for people who want an opinion with no strings attached.

[Draining Dragon]

What I find amusing here is that so many people act like their opinion is fact, and any reviewer who disagrees with that is "not being honest".
 
You can call it "the truth" all you want, it's never going to make your opinion objectively correct.

I wish I could give this post multiple likes. I can't count how many people I've seen insisting that either all the negative reviewers are "haters" or all of the positive reviewers are "fanboys."

[Nefla]

Except for the fact that those websites and magazines are being paid by publishers to run ads and given incentives to write a good review for their next big game. Which is important because those outlets rely on publishers paying them big bucks for ad space and to some extent, free review copies. In contrast, independent reviewers don't rely on a publisher's good will or money to continue to produce original content. This automatically makes them a more viable option for people who want an opinion with no strings attached.

I don't trust extreme opinions either way. Whether it be "this is the most amazing, flawless game ever created, and I hope every other game ever made matches it exactly" or "this game isn't worth the disc it's printed on, there is not one single redeeming feature, and the people who made it should be shot."

[Riven326]

I don't trust extreme opinions either way. Whether it be "this is the most amazing, flawless game ever created, and I hope every other game ever made matches it exactly" or "this game isn't worth the disc it's printed on, there is not one single redeeming feature, and the people who made it should be shot."

Well, if you're still on the fence, have a look at this.

[CronoDragoon]

So you never thought it slightly suspicious that most of these so-called positive reviews were written within a day or two, if not hours, after the games hit the shelves?

Nor that the reviews seem to resemble the same pattern in there actual wording.

 

I mean for crying out loud, it was 'game of the year' before most people had the cellophane of the box.

 

The reviews were actually written before the game came out, because BioWare didn't have a release-day embargo and gave them review copies weeks in advance since they were confident with the game.

 

Someone asked what's wrong with RPGCodex: besides their tendency towards racist, homophobic, misogynistic drivel, they tend to overvalue certain RPG mechanics while undervaluing others. C&C is basically a fetish there, while few actually seem to care how RPGs present your PC as a character instead of a combination of stats and abilities. What I will say is that those dudes have played a lot of RPGs, so wherever they may be right or wrong, it's not due to ignorance or a small scope.

[Greetsme]

I am not enjoying this.  I feel that no one could be more upset than me of the path that Bioware has taken.  Dragon age and Mass effect were the bulk of my gaming life, and I will be lost without them.  Bioware were special, nobody done it like Bioware, they were unique and brilliant.  How I am going to miss them is nobody's business.

 

I guess I may now wander down paths not known to me, blindly wandering, bumping my head on things like COD and WOW, and many other last names.  I am lost.

[pdusen]

They're entitled to their opinion, but rpgcodex and I rarely agree on what constitutes "fun", so this is par for the course.

[KaiserShep]

The reviews were actually written before the game came out, because BioWare didn't have a release-day embargo and gave them review copies weeks in advance since they were confident with the game.

 

Someone asked what's wrong with RPGCodex: besides their tendency towards racist, homophobic, misogynistic drivel, they tend to overvalue certain RPG mechanics while undervaluing others. C&C is basically a fetish there, while few actually seem to care how RPGs present your PC as a character instead of a combination of stats and abilities. What I will say is that those dudes have played a lot of RPGs, so wherever they may be right or wrong, it's not due to ignorance or a small scope.

 

Yeah, after perusing the site a little bit, I can't say that it's a community I'd find consider terribly fun to observe for any significant amount of time, but then my patience grows thin for bullshit on the Internet.

[Draining Dragon]

I am not enjoying this.  I feel that no one could be more upset than me of the path that Bioware has taken.  Dragon age and Mass effect were the bulk of my gaming life, and I will be lost without them.  Bioware were special, nobody done it like Bioware, they were unique and brilliant.  How I am going to miss them is nobody's business.
 
I guess I may now wander down paths not known to me, blindly wandering, bumping my head on things like COD and WOW, and many other last names.  I am lost.

Obsidian Entertainment.

They're releasing an old-school RPG called Pillars of Eternity next month.