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[SmilesJA]

“Templars have always been used. How many were left to rot, like I was, after the Chantry burned away their minds?”

 

I couldn't find any thread that's dedicated to everyone's favorite lyrium addicted Templar Samson! (Or was it Caroll? May he rest in peace.) Anyway I found it pretty sad to see Samson go on the deep end. In DA2 he was reduced to begging on the streets and smuggling apostates for coin, just so he can get his fix next on lyrium. No doubt representing the control the Chantry exerts on its Templars. Cullen's backstory on him showed Samson to be a decent man once, following the Templar ideal. What really surprised me about Samson, was his relationship with the tranquil mage: Maddox. The reason why Samson was kicked out of the order was because he was caught smuggling Maddox's letters to his lover. You would've thought that Samson would resent him, but instead Samson managed to rescue Maddox from Kirkwall and protected him! Maddox was even loyal enough that he committed suicide rather than be captured by the Inquisitor and this affected Samson if finds out about the news.

 

Overall I rather find Samson interesting enough to warrant his own thread. What do you guys think of him?

 

 

Link to his profile: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Samson

[wolfhowwl]

Samson romance when BioWare?

[SmilesJA]

Samson romance when BioWare?

 

I knew that romance post would've been first.

[wiccame]

I actually like Samson, always have him put back in the templars in DA2. Yes Thedas desperately needed more templars like Samson, Cullen and Kieran. There wasn't enough good templars that would treat mages more humanely. Just a shame Cory found him and twisted his compassion. I give him to Cullen at the end in the hopes he finds that again.

[Luckyanna]

I really loved Samson's arc in DAI. He was simply trying to look out for people like him, who got screwed over by the System. He didn't go about it in the best way possible, but he did have good intentions. The Maddox subplot really drove it home for me. 

 

 

I knew that romance post would've been first.

 

Giving his voice actor it's no surprise. Gideon Emery's voice is the stuff dreams are made of.

[ThreeF]

Not sure about him having good intentions. He was more of "f*** it" there is no point fighting this.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Samson sandwhich

[Fiery Phoenix]

Samson sandwhich

With pickles.

[Rannah]

Giving his voice actor it's no surprise. Gideon Emery's voice is the stuff dreams are made of.

 

Yeah, I did not want to romance Fenris at all in DA2. But that voice of his......

 

Regarding Samson, I felt a deep sadness when I saw him next to Corypheus (in my PTs in DA2, he was reinstated as a templar).

I think the templars are no less prisoners as the mages in this whole Circle-system the Chantry operates, and Samson is the best example how the templars' life can be ruined if they do not fit in the system anymore (in case of Samson's, philosophical differences - which means some love letters delivered between lovers. "No. This is ridiculous".)

 

But, it can not be forgiven what he did with his fellow comrades in DA:I.

[TheLastArchivist]

The first time I heard Samson's voice during his trial, I felt sorry for the man. His voice was shaky and hoarse and he couldn't even justify the atrocities he commited. He did sound beyond desperate, as someone who had tried everything they could and yet, everything insisted in going wrong.

 

He had nothing to say on his defence. He was completely defeated and demoralized. No matter what sentence you pass on him, he accepts it with resignation, but lets you know he despises authority (Do what you will; your kind always does). 

 

After the Chantry and Meredith, he was left a bitter man. No wonder Cullen hates him so much. Samson was irresponsible beyond belief, sacrificing his men by exposing them to a lethal, mind altering substance (red lyrium) and deceiving them into following what he knew would be their doom.

 

Cullen is literally his opposite; an upholder of order and defender of authority, he fights his addiction to lyrium in order to find a better way out of the darkness and insanity that are the remaining years of a templar's life.

Samson just gave up his hopes long ago and ends up dragging all the templars along with him to the bottom of the pit.

But what if Cullen had been thrown out of the Order by Meredith, like Samson was? Left to beg in the streets? Wasn't Cullen a naive templar once, who commited a crime equally worthy of treason: falling in love with a mage? Had he been caught, in the end, wouldn't he have become just like him?

 

 

This is why I liked his role in DA:I. It resembled Loghain's role in a certain way (though Loghain was in no disadvantageous position in DA:O and took power "because he could".) Samson shows a man's faults after he's been demoralized. So demoralized he doesn't even try to justify his actions. A defeated man abandoned by the system, in need of leadership, needing to believe in something, like so many templars after the Chantry ignored their plight in a world falling apart.

[Rannah]

The first time I heard Samson's voice during his trial, I felt sorry for the man. His voice was shaky and hoarse and he couldn't even justify the atrocities he commited. He did sound beyond desperate, as someone who had tried everything they could and yet, everything insisted on going wrong.

 

He had nothing to say on his defence. He was completely defeated and demoralized. No matter what sentence you pass on him, he accepts it with resignation, but lets you know he despises authority (Do what you will; your kind always does). 

 

After the Chantry and Meredith, he was left a bitter man. No wonder Cullen hates him so much. Samson was irresponsible beyond belief, sacrificing his men by exposing them to a lethal, mind altering substance (red lyrium) and deceiving them into following what he knew would be their doom.

 

Cullen is literally his opposite; an upholder of order and defender of authority, he fights his addiction to lyrium in order to find a better way out the darkness and insanity that are the remaining years of a templar's life.

Samson just gave up his hopes long ago and ends up dragging all the templars along with him to the bottom of the pit.

But what if Cullen had been thrown out of the Order by Meredith, like Samson was? Left to beg in the streets? Wasn't Cullen a naive templar once, who commited a crime equally worthy of treason: falling in love with a mage? Had he been caught, in the end, wouldn't he have become just like him?

 

 

This is why I liked his role in DA:I. It resembled Loghain's role in a certain way (though Loghain was in no disadvantageous position in DA:O and took power "because he could".) Samson shows a man's faults after he's been demoralized. So demoralised he doesn't even try to justify his actions. A defeated man abandoned by the system, in need of leadership, needing to believe in something, like so many templars after the Chantry ignored their plight in a world falling apart.

 

Yes, I have similar thoughts: what would have happened when Cullen would had been in Samson's boots? Their life seem to be the exact opposites of each other,

[Lady Artifice]

Every time I spoke to Samson in DA2, I had Fenris in my party. It was just weird. Especially when Fenris had something to say in the scene. 

 

I miss Gideon Emery.

[The Baconer]

Worthless, traitorous, hypocritical gnat. Letting the red stuff burn a hole in his brain was too good for him.

[Colonelkillabee]

Lol really.

 

It seems like people don't mind losers when they're put on tv. Funny how that works.

 

People love rejects when they give a good show.

[ThreeF]

Yes, I have similar thoughts: what would have happened when Cullen would had been in Samson's boots? Their life seem to be the exact opposites of each other,

You sort of see Cullen in Samson position and although one can argue that whatever Envy projects isn't real, it fits his personality, Cullen blames himself, where Samson blames others.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Samson looks like a meth addict.

[Sifr]

Samson looks like a meth addict.

 

Why does this make me think that Samson's full backstory has him as the Jesse Pinkman of Dragon Age...?

[Master Warder Z_]

Why does this make me think that Samson's full backstory has him as the Jesse Pinkman of Dragon Age...?

Hey o.o

Jessie was a whiny little loser and Samson...never mind.

[Sifr]

And that would probably make Ser Alrik from DA2, the Walter White to his Jesse, eh?

 

 

But on topic;

 

You sort of see Cullen in Samson position and although one can argue that whatever Envy projects isn't real, it fits his personality, Cullen blames himself, where Samson blames others.

 

Yeah, Cullen does strike me as the anti-Samson and vice-versa.

 

From what we're told about how Maddox became Tranquil and why Samson was thrown out of the Templars initially, Samson strikes me as someone who like Cullen, started out as an idealist, but found that the reality of the Order was far from the ideal he had pictured.

 

I think the difference between the two men is that while both men had bad experiences and got burned by the Templars in their own way, Cullen struggled to overcome the things he'd faced, whereas Samson did not and instead completely gave up on himself.

 

It's probably why Cullen tried to get clean from the Lyrium after he left the Order, while Samson just hit it harder.

 

And probably why Samson so easily joined Corypheus, because rather than simply doing it because he fed his lyrium addiction, being Corypheus' lieutenant gave him a sense of purpose and self-worth he'd long since forgotten?

[Master Warder Z_]

And that would probably make Ser Alrik from DA2, the Walter White to his Jesse, eh?

He's the one who knocks!

[Rannah]

I think the difference between the two men is that while both men had bad experiences and got burned by the Templars in their own way, Cullen struggled to overcome the things he'd faced, whereas Samson did not and instead completely gave up on himself.

 

An other difference is that Samson has been thrown out on his ear, while Cullen decided himself to leave the templars. This might be an additional reason why Samson sank so deep (not to mention his severe lyrium addiction).

Poor fellow...he was a good man once...but now he is just a lunatic who does anything for his precious lyrium and to fulfill his hazy dream.

[ThreeF]

I think the difference between the two men is that while both men had bad experiences and got burned by the Templars in their own way, Cullen struggled to overcome the things he'd faced, whereas Samson did not and instead completely gave up on himself.

 

 

They are sides of the same coin...sort of. It's pity this didn't got explored more, but I think that if Samson was ever an idealist it was to a different degree. They  go through somewhat similar events, but there is one big difference Cullen chose to leave, Samson didn't add this to the fact that their personalities are fundamentally different and you can see why Cullen doesn't completely let go of his idealism even if he is bitter and Samson becomes even more of a cynic. 

 

Where Cullen saw future, Samson saw none. Where Cullen rejects lyrium as something that doesn't belongs to his future, Samson sees lyrium as something that was done to him. Where Cullen sees himself as perpetrator and guilty party, Samson sees himself as a victim.

[Boost32]

The guy thinks turning the Templar Order into monsters is a favor for them, I would never let that happen in any of my games.
He was a loser in DA2 and became a worse kind of loser in DAI. I would gladly kill this lunatic ending his dementia, unfortunately, I think Corypheus did it for me.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 While I generally like seeing characters from previous iterations return, Samson being a ranking member of the Red Templars was just strange and contrived.

 

 

Were he some random grunt, that would have made sense to me.

[SmilesJA]

The guy thinks turning the Templar Order into monsters is a favor for them, I would never let that happen in any of my games.
He was a loser in DA2 and became a worse kind of loser in DAI. I would gladly kill this lunatic ending his dementia, unfortunately, I think Corypheus did it for me.

 

Yeah you could easily come to this intepretation with him. Samson was the only one who's mind wasn't affect by the Red Lyrium which meant he was aware of the atrocities he commited to fuel Corypheus' army. So is Samson a sympathetic figure trying to give Red Templars a purpose. Or is he pathetic Lyrium addict who is attacking the Chantry out of revenge and blames his problems on everything else but him?