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[Bugsie]

Feel kind of annoyed now I was cheated out of this and other conversations because of a stupid bug. If the banter bug wasn't enough.

Might see if I can find more info about it, but running out of time today.

[Tigrae]

Am I the only one who wants to see Samson as a companion in the future?

 

You came to the right forum if you want to share these hopes and dreams with someone.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Samson may not have had it easy, but that's no excuse for purposefully turning the Templars into monsters at the service of a being who's out to take over/destroy the world. My sympathy for anyone ends the moment they commit atrocities, and the Red Templars have done their fair share of that.

 

 

[Tigrae]

True enough; we discussed earlier in this thread the idea of everyone having their own lines that "villainous" characters cross in this world. For some, it's never crossed (listen to how Quartermaster Thren talks about Loghain), and for others its crossed quite early (Alistair will never be able to, or want to, understand Loghain's intentions).

 

Samson was lucky enough to meet my Inquisitor who believes in redemption and is probably too empathetic for her own good. Had he met my devoutly Andrastian holy archer, she'd probably be mad she couldn't turn him into a pincusion.

 

I, personally, don't see that he wanted to turn the Templars into monsters. He didn't pick up red lyrium, look at his brothers and sisters, and cackle about turning them into monsters to be used to conquer the world. He picked up red lyrium, looked at his brothers and sisters, he knew the lyrium would change them, but he could give them a purpose, and decided the price was worth paying. I think that's an important distinction to make in his motivation.

 

I'm not excusing his actions - your line is drawn, and he crossed it and he is now a villain. I wanted to focus on how he got to cross that line.

 

In the Codex entries for Samson and Calpernia in the Arbor Wilds, we learn that both of them have strong motivations outside of Corypheus' plans. Calpernia's motivation is for Tevinter, and Samson's motivation is for his Templars.

[Rannah]

True enough; we discussed earlier in this thread the idea of everyone having their own lines that "villainous" characters cross in this world. For some, it's never crossed (listen to how Quartermaster Thren talks about Loghain), and for others its crossed quite early (Alistair will never be able to, or want to, understand Loghain's intentions).

 

Samson was lucky enough to meet my Inquisitor who believes in redemption and is probably too empathetic for her own good. Had he met my devoutly Andrastian holy archer, she'd probably be mad she couldn't turn him into a pincusion.

 

I, personally, don't see that he wanted to turn the Templars into monsters. He didn't pick up red lyrium, look at his brothers and sisters, and cackle about turning them into monsters to be used to conquer the world. He picked up red lyrium, looked at his brothers and sisters, he knew the lyrium would change them, but he could give them a purpose, and decided the price was worth paying. I think that's an important distinction to make in his motivation.

 

I'm not excusing his actions - your line is drawn, and he crossed it and he is now a villain. I wanted to focus on how he got to cross that line.

 

In the Codex entries for Samson and Calpernia in the Arbor Wilds, we learn that both of them have strong motivations outside of Corypheus' plans. Calpernia's motivation is for Tevinter, and Samson's motivation is for his Templars.

 

I second that. During his trial we get a fairly clear picture of his true intentions, too. He even admits that he failed doing what he was truly aimed for.

 

"They were (templars) always going to die. I saw what Corypheus was doing, so yes, I fed them hope instead of despair. I made them believe their pain had purpose just like Chantry does....It ended as well as anything else I've done".

[SmilesJA]

You came to the right forum if you want to share these hopes and dreams with someone.

 

Unfortunately, Bioware will eventually take those dreams and crush them before our very eyes.

[Rannah]

Unfortunately, Bioware will eventually take those dreams and crush them before our very eyes.

 

To be honest, it wouldn't be a great surprise  

[Jo Berry]

All righty, I think I've taken the Samson sculpt as far as I can. Here's the final sculpture:

 

[SmilesJA]

It looks awesome!!!!

[SmilesJA]

Oh and by the way, I feel a sense of satisfaction that the Samson thread has surpassed the Calpernia thread in terms of pages and views! 

 

Good job Samson fans!

[Rannah]

All righty, I think I've taken the Samson sculpt as far as I can. Here's the final sculpture:

 

*snip*

 

Absolutely fantastic! Thank you!

Did you consider coloring it?

[Jo Berry]

Absolutely fantastic! Thank you!

Did you consider coloring it?

 

That's next after I put on some primer (and clean my gunked-up palette). I wanted to show folks the base sculpt before the colour goes on.

[Catwall]

All righty, I think I've taken the Samson sculpt as far as I can. Here's the final sculpture:

 

I love how the hair looks. Finger-raked and natural.

[ModernAcademic]

Oh and by the way, I feel a sense of satisfaction that the Samson thread has surpassed the Calpernia thread in terms of pages and views! 

 

Good job Samson fans!

 

Aye, aye ma'am.

 

You can count on us to keep the thread lively and going. 

 

 

Samson fanfic - update

Spoiler

I'd like to express my gratitude to four people in special: Nurse chan (from Twitter), mar-of-the-hood, solas-you-nerd and too-pale-for-u (all from Tumblr). It's been only 2 days since the Samson fanfic was posted and already it received 3 likes and 1 comment.

 

I know the one shot is nothing great, but my intent is to provide one more reading option for the Samson fans such as myself. Thank you so much, people! I've been working on the next chapter ever since thanks to your feedback! 

 

 

 

Since we are a small fandom (judging only by our very special thread and the modest amount of Samson content on Tumblr - which, btw, is steadily increasing, thank the Maker  ) and I'm no professional writer, I'll continue to work on the fanfic.

The next chapter is underway and will show Samson's struggle against his brush with death. Old characters will return (Alexius, Fiona) and the fanfic will be centered in the fight against red lyrium as its spreads through Thedas. It might sound like a dull theme, but believe me, I've got some ideas to make it interesting.

(I just hope I manage to execute them in an exciting fashion. My writing DOES tend to be rather BORING. >_>)

 

 

 

At the moment, I'm plotting the script very carefully, writing down ideas for the story arcs and am envisioning the romance progression.

Because romance is not my strong point, I accept any ideas for the scenes between Samson and the Inquisitor the fans wish to share. You can send them to me here via PM, via message on Tumblr (my tumblr) or even on Twitter (my profile).

 

Please let me know you're a Samson fan in advance, so I can add you/follow you on Tumblr and/or Twitter, alright? 

 

 

Oh, one last thing: I haven't published anything on AO3 because, unfortunately, I don't have a profile there.   If anyone wants me to publish the fanfic on the website as well, I'd be grateful if they could send me an invite. 

Thanks for reading!

 

 

 

PS: I'm placing any fanfic-related content under a spoiler tag because it doesn't necessarily relate to Samson in the game. It's a way to avoid disrupting or flooding the thread wth fan content. 

[SmilesJA]

One of the things that I've wondered with Samson is his motivations. Was he joining Corypheyus to make the Templars feel wanted and to have a purpose? Or was he joining him, to make himself feel relevant while using his rants on the Chantry's views on Templars as a shield. 

 

Or was it both?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

One of the things that I've wondered with Samson is his motivations. Was he joining Corypheyus to make the Templars feel wanted and to have a purpose? Or was he joining him, to make himself feel relevant while using his rants on the Chantry's views on Templars as a shield. 

 

Or was it both?

 

Second only I think. Any talk about doing the templars a favor by corrupting them with red lyrium could only make sense from a twisted mind, and Samson is far too sane in the game for that.  

[ModernAcademic]

One of the things that I've wondered with Samson is his motivations. Was he joining Corypheyus to make the Templars feel wanted and to have a purpose? Or was he joining him, to make himself feel relevant while using his rants on the Chantry's views on Templars as a shield. 

 

Or was it both?

 

He spent almost ten years being looked down by everyone in Kirkwall. He mentions how much this hurts him in DA2, stating that if he were still in the Order, no one would look down on him as they do now.

 

By the end of DA2, he works his hardest to earn his shield back. Considering that Inquisition doesn't carry this decision to the game, rather assumes he remained a "guttersnipe craving for lyrium", in his own words, and seeing the Chantry was facing its worse crisis ever, he therefore had no choice but to accept Corypheus' offer.

 

Whatever remained of the templars was slowly falling under the magister's grasp. He merely did what the other templars did: took the red lyrium and obeyed their new leader, in the hopes the mages wouldn't win this war and destroy them all with the help of the Inquisition.

It was no surprise he promptly accepted the magister's offer of "earning his shield back", as he tells you. After he's defeated, though, he recognizes the error in following Corypheus, much like Calpernia does, may I point out, when you reveal Corypheus' betrayal to her.

 

Samson and Calpernia were both used and would later be discarded. They only turned against the Inquisition because they saw it as a threat. If the Inquisitor had enough time to recruit both of them, Corypheus would never have gone that far.

 

Sadly, the game forces you into a position where you are left with a Sophie's choice; saving one group comdemns the other. Save the mages or the templars?

 

The proof of Samson's genuine concern for men in general, rather than him being a man with a lousy character and loose morals lies in the conversation you have with him in prison in DA:I. You can see he cares a lot for the fate of mages and templars alike by complimenting Cullen on how he never played rough on the mages, unlike Meredith. And on how much he regrets having followed Corypheus.

 

Not everyone is born to be a leader. The difference is that Samson knew from Day One he was not one and later admitted his failure. How many people do we know have the courage and honesty to do that? Not many, huh? Didn't Calpernia prefer to commit suicide rather than die by the hands of her enemy? And didn't Corypheus appeal to the Gods he believed in to save him in the final hour?

 

How many would admit defeat and let their enemy decide their fate? For it does require a lot of courage to look your enemy in the eye while in a humiliating position and stand by your actions. And that's what Samson did. 

[ModernAcademic]

 

All yours, ladies and gentlemen.

 

Also, fandom growing. Yay! 

[The Baconer]

One of the things that I've wondered with Samson is his motivations. Was he joining Corypheyus to make the Templars feel wanted and to have a purpose? Or was he joining him, to make himself feel relevant while using his rants on the Chantry's views on Templars as a shield. 

 

Or was it both?

 

Samson never cared about the other Templars, not really. They were just the means to an end, unfortunate casualties in his vendetta against the Chantry.

[ModernAcademic]

Reversal

Samson AU

Cassandra asked Cullen to go with her, but he refused, since that would leave the templars in Kirkwall without a leader. Samson went in his stead, became a Captain under her, and was quickly promoted to Commander after the battle of Haven.

 

(I'm not the author. Just passing along a great fanfic)

 

 

Pretty sure everyone already read it, but it's never too much to spread the good word.

[ModernAcademic]

 

 

Original post

 

Imagine if he was told a whole religion was founded on the worship of some dude who could turn water into wine...

[BoscoBread]

Samson never cared about the other Templars, not really. They were just the means to an end, unfortunate casualties in his vendetta against the Chantry.

 

I think he did. At one point, I think he really did believe in the "brotherhood" aspect of the Templars. From his prison banters, he's clearly yearning for some higher purpose and calling. He did care about his men -- he's clearly very distressed about Maddox.  I do agree though, that his bitterness and hate really warped that.  I would agree - that in the end - it became much more about getting back at the order and the Chantry for what they did to him.   

[Bugsie]

No, he did care about his men, he talks about giving them 'one last chance at glory' after the chantry abandons them to die (like he was abandoned). To die like a Templar.

His justifications are suspect but I can't question that he had a loyalty to his men, however warped it appeared.

In his view he was doing the same thing/no worse than the chantry. 'Same thing as the chantry, except the prophet isn't as pretty'

Edit: I'll just clarify what I mean by 'his justification'.

Sometimes it happens to people when they are trying to rationalise their crimes, for example say someone stole a pen from the office. 'It's just a pen, right? The company doesn't need it they have lots of pens' Most people would say this, however the same rationalisation can actually be used if someone embezzled $300k 'it's just $300k, right? The company doesn't need it they have lots of money' (this was actually a real crime I saw on a program on the justification and motivations people use to explain their crimes)

The rationalisation is ridiculous, but at least can be explained, (not excused)

In regard to Samson he says that he was a fool to say no, an even bigger fool to say yes, which tells me he has at least recognised what he did was stupid and dangerous and in the end destroyed what he loved most about the Templars.

[ModernAcademic]

[Random rant]

 

What pisses me off in DA2 is that Samson gets thrown out of the Order for something harmless (being the mailman for a mage and his sweetheart), but real criminals like Ser Alrik remain in the Order.

 

I try to justify Meredith's rigidity in my head by reminding myself that Kirkwall was indeed suffering external attacks from blood mages associated with the Resolutionists - as Sister Nightingale warns us in Act 3 -, but that was a MAJOR oversight from the Knight-Commander's part. I'm sorry, but this is blatant incompetence. She didn't know what was going on inside the Order very well. I bet most severe crimes perpetrated by Templars went completely unnoticed by her.

 

Expel the good doer, that should've received only a mild reprimand and allow the rapist torturer to remain? Really?

[BoscoBread]

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In regard to Samson he says that he was a fool to say no, an even bigger fool to say yes, which tells me he has at least recognised what he did was stupid and dangerous and in the end destroyed what he loved most about the Templars.

This line really kills me.  So sad.

 

It's what we see with a lot of the companions in this game. Especially Blackwall and I anticipate what we'll see with Solas when he pops up again.  Even before I was sailing away on the SS Trash-Ship - I really was quite disturbed by what the Chantry does to the Templars.  They are physically bound to them. Then to cast off Templars that disobey orders to eke out a living on the street with NO ability to get lyrium is abohorrent.  It's pretty much a death setence, but one that's slow, painful and you end up mad and alone on the streets. 

 

He wanted his men to live and die for something apart from that.  Again, not a justification. Not an excuse. Just...understandable I guess in an abstract way.