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[ModernAcademic]

So people ,  do you side with mages just to see Samson?  even if you like Samson story mean you like templar in general , no ? 
i always side with templar cause of FIONA,  she screw up every thing  like many discutte in why fiona why Topic that i started

 

Well, I prefer to keep a saved game where I get to see Samson's cutscenes as much as I like. 

 

That allows me to conduct the next gameplays without having to manipulate my choices so as to attend particular whims of mine (seeing more cutscenes of character A, recruiting character B eariler, etc). 

[SmilesJA]

Thanks for all the kind words! I want to do a little more work on the eyes, but I'm very happy with it overall.

 

 

This is the third sculpture I've made. The first was a bust of my companion Nadia Grell from SWTOR, which sits on my desk. The second was a kodama for a friend.

 

And I kinda want to do Calpernia next. I'm taking a little break first, though.

 

You're far too talented to make a sculpture of a peasant like Calpernia. 

[BoscoBread]

So people ,  do you side with mages just to see Samson?  even if you like Samson story mean you like templar in general , no ? 
i always side with templar cause of FIONA,  she screw up every thing  like many discutte in why fiona why Topic that i started

I side with the mages - on one PT - for many reasons(like someone already said). Samson is really just a bonus.   I found through that PT and the one with the templars that I sympathize with not the order - but a lot of templars now. Ser Barris, Thrask, Samson, et al deserve better than what they were recruited into.  We see with the DLC and and in discussions of the game, the order is really warped from its original purpose.  

[Amne YA]

I side with the mages for many reasons. Samson is just a plus. Also, liking Samson doesn't mean you like Templars in general, especially given what caused him to be like that in the first place.

the only reasonn to side with the mages is to be a mage . Unles that it is pretty stupid to go fullretard into a magister trap and get traped in the futur . Loosing to coryphius and technicaly waiting for dorian to save the world and correct the mistaque you made . To save a bench of mage and the most stupid selfish leader in thedas fiona

[Bugsie]

Everyone keeps going on about Fiona.  I barely know her (I haven't read the books to know her) I only have in game descriptions of her and of course the usual BSN toxicity towards female characters.  However stupid her decisions regarding the mages. 

 

I sided with the mages first pt because, mages.  I sided with them in my second pt because I was playing a mage.  This third pt I'm currently in I'll side withh the Templars and put Gaspard on the throne.

 

It's called roleplaying.

[Arcanista]

"Side with" is such an odd characterization of what goes on there, too. Specifically, you're enlisting one group's help, and nobody within the game knows the catastrophic consequences that will occur for the other group.

 

I honestly feel though that the most pro-mage route through the game is Champions of the Just -> Disband the Templars. Simply dissolving the Circles as per In Hushed Whispers won't remove the Templars and their mandate, and devoid of Templars, Circles have a far better chance of being the refuge and source of education that they really ought to be.

 

As far as Fiona goes, I really think the game could stand to make it clearer that she caves not because of some sort of weakness but rather that Alexius is cycling the timeline until he finds an approach that will work.

[ModernAcademic]

You're far too talented to make a sculpture of a peasant like Calpernia. 

 

Noooooes I need to see that statue! 

 

 

[Bugsie]

I think people use that way of describing it because:

(Spoiler for end game of DA2 and I know you are currently playing it...)

Spoiler

that's what the game makes you do at the end of Act 3- you side with the mages or you side with the Templars, so that's how I think people are viewing it in DA:I, although you are right, 'siding with' really doesn't spell out the complexity of it all.

 

My understanding is that the Templars are all but destroyed if you side with the mages.  Is that not the case?  Or is that dependent on who becomes Divine?  I haven't played Champions of the just yet and and haven't played DA:I for a few weeks.

 

The hate thrown at Fiona seems a little disproportionate for her supposed misdeeds though.

 

And yeah, I would like to see Calpernia statue too!

[ModernAcademic]

"Side with" is such an odd characterization of what goes on there, too. Specifically, you're enlisting one group's help, and nobody within the game knows the catastrophic consequences that will occur for the other group.

 

Side with the mages:

 

 

Side with the templars:

 

 

Hm.

[Xilizhra]

"Side with" is such an odd characterization of what goes on there, too. Specifically, you're enlisting one group's help, and nobody within the game knows the catastrophic consequences that will occur for the other group.

 

I honestly feel though that the most pro-mage route through the game is Champions of the Just -> Disband the Templars. Simply dissolving the Circles as per In Hushed Whispers won't remove the Templars and their mandate, and devoid of Templars, Circles have a far better chance of being the refuge and source of education that they really ought to be.

 

As far as Fiona goes, I really think the game could stand to make it clearer that she caves not because of some sort of weakness but rather that Alexius is cycling the timeline until he finds an approach that will work.

If you play In Hushed Whispers, the Templar Order is gone no matter what; practically everyone joins Corypheus, and the only stragglers hook up with the Inquisition.

[Bugsie]

If you play In Hushed Whispers, the Templar Order is gone no matter what; practically everyone joins Corypheus, and the only stragglers hook up with the Inquisition.

Yeah I thought that was the case, they're either stragglers or Red Templars (which you destroy).  It's a pity it's an either or though because both sides appear to have some great characters.

[Bugsie]

Oh and has everyone seen this?  It's from the Heroes of Dragon Age (I don't know the artist unfortuneately, but it's beautiful isn't it?)

 

[Tigrae]

So people ,  do you side with mages just to see Samson?  even if you like Samson story mean you like templar in general , no ? 
i always side with templar cause of FIONA,  she screw up every thing  like many discutte in why fiona why Topic that i started

 

I approached the mages first as one character, because she was a Dalish mage who'd really have no idea what Templars are good for. She knows what mages can do, and would probably feel more comfortable approaching them first.

 

I approached the Templars with another character because she's a devout Andrastian and all of her sisters are Templars. She'd feel more comfortable approaching them first.

 

I leave these choices up to the characters, and what they'd most likely do. I have an Adaar rogue coming through who might choose Templar just because she's been told stories about saarebas her whole life, magic might scare the **** out of her.

 

Thing is, your character doesn't know they can only choose one side, they just have to pick who to visit first. Only through some war table meta do we know that we have to pick one side or the other.

[ModernAcademic]

Oh and has everyone seen this?  It's from the Heroes of Dragon Age (I don't know the artist unfortuneately, but it's beautiful isn't it?)

 

 

It's wonderful! *___* Samson in a heroic pose, fighting with ardor. Be still, my heart.

 

I wish he were not taken by the red lyrium. If he were wearing his templar armor before being expelled from the Order, it would be so perfect...

I like how he smirks in this one.

[Arcanista]

If you take the mage route, the Templars' numbers are severely diminished, that's true, but the Order still formally exists; Cassandra and Vivienne both officially use them in their ending cards, and Leliana is doing some sort of military action. It'll take years for them to get up to their former numbers, sure, but without the formal dictate that the Templars are gone, I feel like they're always going to have a place as society tries to drift back to 'normalcy'.

 

And yeah, I mean, I know DA2 as a game makes it clear that you're picking one group to support or the other, but like, eeeeh, Inquisition makes it pretty clear why you're seeking one group or the other; like it's you going as a supplicant to them, and there's nothing to suggest that the other will get effectively mulched, so, eeeh.

 

 

It's wonderful! *___* Samson in a heroic pose, fighting with ardor. Be still, my heart.

 

I wish he were not taken by the red lyrium. If he were wearing his templar armor before being expelled from the Order, it would be so perfect...

I like how he smirks in this one.

 

I do know a Templar version of Samson's in HoDA too. I've been using him lately!

[Bugsie]

Looks like I am going to spend a long time looking at the detail of that armour this evening whilst trying to finish the last chapter of my fic.

 

It's all for research purposes of course *coughs*

[Amne YA]

If you take the mage route, the Templars' numbers are severely diminished, that's true, but the Order still formally exists; Cassandra and Vivienne both officially use them in their ending cards, and Leliana is doing some sort of military action. It'll take years for them to get up to their former numbers, sure, but without the formal dictate that the Templars are gone, I feel like they're always going to have a place as society tries to drift back to 'normalcy'.

 

And yeah, I mean, I know DA2 as a game makes it clear that you're picking one group to support or the other, but like, eeeeh, Inquisition makes it pretty clear why you're seeking one group or the other; like it's you going as a supplicant to them, and there's nothing to suggest that the other will get effectively mulched, so, eeeh.

 

 

 

I do know a Templar version of Samson's in HoDA too. I've been using him lately!

Nop , Casandra is a seeker she restore the order of seekers and not templars . and i hate the order of seekers they are the one that have been corupted . and the one that slay people who watch over coruption  of the templar or chantry . cause of them we have cases like  Samson case . the templar are good people   ser baris / cullun  even samson is a good templar in the past , those seekers screwed  his life 

[ModernAcademic]

I do know a Templar version of Samson's in HoDA too. I've been using him lately!

 

I'm sure he's enjoying being used so much by you, dear lady. 

 

 

(Maker, I'm reading too much smut... >_>)

[ModernAcademic]

Can this be true? Apparently, 2 Codexes went missing in DA2 after you play the DLC Legacy. Check them out:

 

 

 

(...) depending on whether you sided with Larius or Janeka, you were supposed to get a codex entry from Hawke’s personal journal titled A Strange Sighting:

Variant 1

Yesterday, I saw a man I could swear was Larius, just walking around Lowtown. I wasn’t sure at first, but that armor, that hair… he’s unmistakable.

He was talking to Samson, of all people. I can’t imagine what a Grey Warden commander and an ex-templar vagrant have in common, but they seemed intent in their discussion. When I came closer, Larius pulled Samson into a doorway—I don’t know if he saw me or not, but it seemed almost like they were avoiding me.

Variant 2

Yesterday, I saw a woman I swear was Janeka, skulking around Lowtown. She had told me that as soon as she reported what happened to Corypheus, she would go on her Calling and die in the Deep Roads, but I’m positive she was the woman I saw talking with Samson.

And that is also odd—what does a Grey Warden have in common with an ex-templar vagrant? When they saw me coming, they left. They were definitely avoiding me.

source

[Arcanista]

Nop , Casandra is a seeker she restore the order of seekers and not templars . and i hate the order of seekers they are the one that have been corupted . and the one that slay people who watch over coruption  of the templar or chantry . cause of them we have cases like  Samson case . the templar are good people   ser baris / cullun  even samson is a good templar in the past , those seekers screwed  his life 

 

Not to be pedantic or anything, but you are categoricaly incorrect, as it seems, am I. Regardless of what Cassandra does with the Seekers, as Divine, she always re-forms the Templars:

 

One month after the defeat of Corypheus, the Chantry names Cassandra as successor to the Sunburst Throne.

 

Given the name Divine Victoria, she immediately enacts reform: a new Templar Order, and a new Circle of Magi.

 

Whether the re-formed order will fall prey to the same social issue as the old remains to be seen.

 

 

Can this be true? Apparently, 2 Codexes went missing in DA2 after you play the DLC Legacy. Check them out:

 

 

 

(...) depending on whether you sided with Larius or Janeka, you were supposed to get a codex entry from Hawke’s personal journal titled A Strange Sighting:

Variant 1

Yesterday, I saw a man I could swear was Larius, just walking around Lowtown. I wasn’t sure at first, but that armor, that hair… he’s unmistakable.

He was talking to Samson, of all people. I can’t imagine what a Grey Warden commander and an ex-templar vagrant have in common, but they seemed intent in their discussion. When I came closer, Larius pulled Samson into a doorway—I don’t know if he saw me or not, but it seemed almost like they were avoiding me.

Variant 2

Yesterday, I saw a woman I swear was Janeka, skulking around Lowtown. She had told me that as soon as she reported what happened to Corypheus, she would go on her Calling and die in the Deep Roads, but I’m positive she was the woman I saw talking with Samson.

And that is also odd—what does a Grey Warden have in common with an ex-templar vagrant? When they saw me coming, they left. They were definitely avoiding me.

source

 

Yeah, I can see why this was pulled just due to awkward timing, but it does raise this question: should you re-enlist Samson into the Templars, does this suggest he was already recruited by Corypheus at that time?

[SmilesJA]

How would you imagine a Samson romance?

[Arcanista]

Very careful, I'd think, in the absence of rivamance conditions; I think the big struggle would be him thinking it's pity sex which of course he doesn't want. A lot of need to convince him that yes, in fact, it is him you want, and that he is worth wanting.

 

The combination of both self-esteem issues and waaaaaaaay too much pride makes for something pretty easy to extrapolate,at least.

[ModernAcademic]

How would you imagine a Samson romance?

 

Depends on the Inquisitor.

 

Mine sees him as a kindred spirit who understands what it feels like to be a pariah, living a miserly existence after being dishonored and slandered at the hands of an authority.

Both will save each other from depression, face their past together and build a mutual future. Not without going through obstacles every couple must vanquish.

[Tigrae]

Very careful, I'd think, in the absence of rivamance conditions; I think the big struggle would be him thinking it's pity sex which of course he doesn't want. A lot of need to convince him that yes, in fact, it is him you want, and that he is worth wanting.

 

The combination of both self-esteem issues and waaaaaaaay too much pride makes for something pretty easy to extrapolate,at least.

 

Also combined with his track record of what happens when people in power take notice of him has been less than stellar: Meredith, Corypheus. I imagine, out of a sense of self-preservation, he might try to be as invisible as possible.

 

It probably matters the kind of personality the Inquisitor has (diplomatic, sarcastic, aggressive).

 

There'd probably have to be a few little opportunities to build trust, that could potentially fail if the Inquisitor starts to show too much pity. I'd imagine his big personal quest would need to be something that doesn't trigger his dislike of being pitied, or something where the Inquisitor has to trust him.

 

There'd have to be options for him to just shut it down (maybe by escaping?). The power balance of the whole relationship is so off-kilter, he really has no way to say "no" without feeling like his life, no matter how little he values it, is potentially in danger. So how does the Inquisitor handle that?

 

Maybe other judgements the Inquisitor has handed down play into his trust, or what parts of Skyhold they choose to build (chantry vs hospital) that can give him clues about what kind of a person the Inquisitor is. If they've executed everyone they judge, conscripted the mages, shown to be very pious, Chantry-loving Andrastians - he's not going to like them very much.

[Bugsie]

Yeah, I can see why this was pulled just due to awkward timing, but it does raise this question: should you re-enlist Samson into the Templars, does this suggest he was already recruited by Corypheus at that time?

 

Well on my pt of DA2 I did re-enlist him.  Does this mean his corruption begins very early on in the piece and maybe as a reason for his resistance?

 

In other news

 

I've updated 'The Martyr's Regret' chapters 7 and 8, Pride and Wrath (An in canon POV from Samson as he travels from The Abor Wilds to Skyhold and some fillers for how things might have happened in DA2)  Angst and CW: addiction.