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[Sable Rhapsody]

But it's quite different blaming them for being the root cause of said injustice and looking at the real causes that allowed things to get this far.

 

Step 1: Find Anders.

Step 2: Find torch.

Step 3: Apply to Chantry.

 

THIS PLAN IS GREAT OK 

 

In my heart of hearts, I know most of the folks in the Chantry mean well.  And the less-than-great behavior they exhibit in Inquisition is largely born of fear and desperation rather than maliciousness.  Still, I can't quite shut up that little voice that wants to see it burn.

[BoscoBread]

I absolutely agree that his arc is a tragedy, but it is another thing entirely to become the exact same thing (well, again, actually worse) you rebel against. As one examines the sheer magnitude of death and misery that were the results of his choices, we can only wonder how many more Samsons, Merediths, Malifants, Uldreds etc. will be created in their wake.

Again, the tragedy. He became everything he hated. He realized too late that you can't command any type of force or create any type of new world without doing what the Chantry has to to do.   The worst part about this is that he KNOWS this. In the end or even before the end, he knew this.   So for me, that makes me feel sorry for him.  There was one person in DAI that I truly thought was beyond redemption or consideration and that was Erimond. By the end, I managed to feel incredibly sad for Corypheus even.  

[Sable Rhapsody]

There was one person in DAI that I truly thought was beyond redemption or consideration and that was Erimond. 

 

If sweet cinnamon roll Cole thinks he's an arsehole, then he's probably an arsehole.  I did find his bravado funny, but he was still the only one I executed.

[BoscoBread]

If sweet cinnamon roll Cole thinks he's an arsehole, then he's probably an arsehole.  I did find his bravado funny, but he was still the only one I executed.

He was happy about it. Joined his master on another plane, level of existence, in the fade or whatever cuckoo bird thing he thought was going to happen. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

He was happy about it. Joined his master on another plane, level of existence, in the fade or whatever cuckoo bird thing he thought was going to happen. 

 

Still about a head shorter than he was 

 

Although, is Erimond the one you can Tranquil if you're a mage quizzy?  

[BoscoBread]

Still about a head shorter than he was 

 

Although, is Erimond the one you can Tranquil if you're a mage quizzy?  

Yeah...NOONE is happy about that.  Pretty much disapproval across the board and he freaks out. I can't bring myself to do it now after Maddox in-game and then finding the horror shed in Redcliffe.  

[Arcanista]

Still about a head shorter than he was 

 

Although, is Erimond the one you can Tranquil if you're a mage quizzy?  

 

You can Tranquil a few of them. Alexius, for sure, if for some reason you want Dorian to hate you.

 

I know when I do the 'canon' run for my main quiz, Erimond is going Tranquil, but, well, she is how she is...

[Boost32]

Most of you are on the tumblargs anyway, but just to give this thread a reason to go to the top. 

 

Jo Berry, this is so beautiful: http://blog.bioware....ry-paper-steel/

 

I mean, it's depicted in subtext in game, but it's good to see his compassion and kindness displayed so openly. Same thing with Maddox's sort of enduring loyalty and friendship.   Hopefully more people come to see that and appreciate him more. Looking forward to the Calpernia follow-up!

 

I am crying at work.  Which is fine. It's a fine thing to happen.  I have an office. I can close my door...

 

Reading this remembered how I despise Samson, and to think I had pitied him in DA2.

 

The man is a sociopathal lunatic, someone who betrayed the vows he made to protect the world against the danger of magic and not content to turn himself into something he sworn to destroy he tried to forced it into his "brother and sister", to change them into aberrations.

He doesnt even believes in the lies he tell to himself, he thinks he care about his man, but when he see what the red lyrium did, how it transformed his man into monster he flinches because he is confronted with the truth. The truth is that he doesnt really cares about them, he only cares about his vengeance against a scapegoat who wasnt truly responsible for what happened to him, and will kill anyone who stand on his way.

The woman who expelled him was dead and he used the same tools as she did (red lyrium, hatred and fear) and bacame something worse than Meredith, he is just a loser who only wants to see the world burn and doesnt care for what happens to anyone.

What he tried to do at Therinfal is unforgivable, I really wanted to make him suffer before cutting his throat and see him chokes in a pool of his own blood. But I took solace knowing that Corypheus ended his miserable life for his faillure, hopefully he made him suffer and before Samson took his last breath, he see his "savior" for what he trully is and became desperate and lose all hope realizing the faillure he is.

Another thing I took solace is how in the Arbor Wilds a note wiritten by Calpernia says those were the last red templars, after put down those beast the world will be rid of them. Those who took red lyrium willingly deserved their fate and those who were tircked or forced to drink it could be only freed by death. Luckly the uncorrupted templars  will be led by a man who deserved to be called a leader, someone who would never betray them like Samson did and when he said "we will avenge every knight at Therinfal Redoubt" I just smiled and agreed, every red templar was going to be eradicated from the face of Thedas.

 

Sorry for those who like Samson, but I really need to vent after reading this short story.

[Giton]

Reading this remembered how I despise Samson, and to think I had pitied him in DA2.

 

The man is a sociopathal lunatic, someone who betrayed the vows he made to protect the world against the danger of magic and not content to turn himself into something he sworn to destroy he tried to forced it into his "brother and sister", to change them into aberrations.

He doesnt even believes in the lies he tell to himself, he thinks he care about his man, but when he see what the red lyrium did, how it transformed his man into monster he flinches because he is confronted with the truth. The truth is that he doesnt really cares about them, he only cares about his vengeance against a scapegoat who wasnt truly responsible for what happened to him, and will kill anyone who stand on his way.

The woman who expelled him was dead and he used the same tools as she did (red lyrium, hatred and fear) and bacame something worse than Meredith, he is just a loser who only wants to see the world burn and doesnt care for what happens to anyone.

What he tried to do at Therinfal is unforgivable, I really wanted to make him suffer before cutting his throat and see him chokes in a pool of his own blood. But I took solace knowing that Corypheus ended his miserable life for his faillure, hopefully he made him suffer and before Samson took his last breath, he see his "savior" for what he trully is and became desperate and lose all hope realizing the faillure he is.

Another thing I took solace is how in the Arbor Wilds a note wiritten by Calpernia says those were the last red templars, after put down those beast the world will be rid of them. Those who took red lyrium willingly deserved their fate and those who were tircked or forced to drink it could be only freed by death. Luckly the uncorrupted templars  will be led by a man who deserved to be called a leader, someone who would never betray them like Samson did and when he said "we will avenge every knight at Therinfal Redoubt" I just smiled and agreed, every red templar was going to be eradicated from the face of Thedas.

 

Sorry for those who like Samson, but I really need to vent after reading this short story.

[BoscoBread]

<snip RUDE>

Sorry for those who like Samson, but I really need to vent after reading this short story.

The man is a sociopathal lunatic  AND  I really wanted to make him suffer before cutting his throat and see him chokes in a pool of his own blood

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ModernAcademic]

Boost32: You came and spoke your opinion in an open and honest way. I salute your courage. 

 

 

Sometimes we need to hate the worst in someone (or something) so that we may come to see their best and neither completely hate, nor adore it.

 

That's the duality of human nature.

[Boost32]

The man is a sociopathal lunatic  AND  I really wanted to make him suffer before cutting his throat and see him chokes in a pool of his own blood

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Im sorry, I just really dislike him for what he did, I know i shouldnt post it in a thread full of his fan.

And the only other character I wanted to do that was Howe, so Im not that bad.

[ModernAcademic]

I'd like to think we're better than some fanatical fandoms where people are crucified for stating their opinion on a beloved character...   

 

Can we do this? Be better than those who come with pitchforks, ready to strike at anyone who voices their candid opinion?

[BoscoBread]

Im sorry, I just really dislike him for what he did, I know i shouldnt post it in a thread full of his fan.

And the only other character I wanted to do that was Howe, so Im not that bad.

Understood.  I get that. There are few characters where I would like to unleash the Hulk rage on.  Just you know...be chill. Plenty of people hate Samson.  It's cool. 

 

I'd like to think we're better than some fanatical fandoms where people are crucified for stating their opinion on a beloved character... 

 

Can we do this? Be better than those who come with pitchforks, ready to strike at anyone who voices their candid opinion?

I wasn't. You don't have to like him. Or you can like him and criticize him.  I didn't think it was so much of an opinion as a hate-post.  I'm not a big fan of a lot of characters and I wouldn't go into that person's dedicated character thread with that much vitriol and expect a kind response. I was also deeply amused by the contradiction there.  

 

 I'm all for talking critically about a character. I do it often enough about Solas on his thread-- and I like the guy.  

[ModernAcademic]

Alright. 

[Boost32]

Understood.  I get that. There are few characters where I would like to unleash the Hulk rage on.  Just you know...be chill. Plenty of people hate Samson.  It's cool. 

Its just after reading the short story it was like my blood began to boil, maybe its something good, I dont think the writer intender this kind of reaction but it made me have a strong feelings and isnt it the objective of a writer? To make the reader to feel something?

But anyway I apologize, I know I shouldnt had done it.

[ModernAcademic]

Jo's writing is so good it makes people's blood boil. I wish I had that talent...

 

[Bugsie]

The truth is that he doesnt really cares about them, he only cares about his vengeance against a scapegoat who wasnt truly responsible for what happened to him, and will kill anyone who stand on his way.

 

Sorry, this statement here, is absolute rubbish.  Did you write Samson?  Did you get in his head?  Did you read any of what Jo Berry wrote?

 

The writer herself has pretty much portrayed him as caring immensely for his troops it's his main motivation (tragically so).  Did you not read the nuanced relationship she has created between him and Maddox?  Because the writer didn't do it the way you want you've gone off half cocked in this thread?  Dude, no one has said that Samson is beyond criticism, but his care for his troops and misplaced concern isn't up for interpretation, it's god-damn canon.

 

It's great that you feel something, it's awesome the writer made your blood boil, but I for one can not see that in the writing.   If he was the man you so violently want to dispose of (and that's a wtf? response from me *shakes head at BSN wanting to kill characters off so ridiculously*) I would not be here.

[Arcanista]

All I'm gonna say is that-- even if you have a visceral reaction against Samson-- sociopathy is, I think, a very wrong characterization for him. I can see why it would be confusing because he is (perhaps surprisingly) wildly charismatic a leader, which is common in sociopaths, but sociopathy is defined an inability to feel empathy for other people. And it's been made clear here that empathy is one of Samson's primary motivators-- the things he does may be unconscionable and unforgivable, and you may not be able to have even sympathy for the thought processes that lead him to make his decisions.

 

But I think it's inarguable that these thought processes are borne from empathy. So whatever it is that leads him to feel his own actions are justifiable, it's not sociopathy.

[Boost32]

Sorry, this statement here, is absolute rubbish. Did you write Samson? Did you get in his head? Did you read any of what Jo Berry wrote?

The writer herself has pretty much portrayed him as caring immensely for his troops it's his main motivation (tragically so). Did you not read the nuanced relationship she has created between him and Maddox? Because the writer didn't do it the way you want you've gone off half cocked in this thread? Dude, no one has said that Samson is beyond criticism, but his care for his troops and misplaced concern isn't up for interpretation, it's god-damn canon.

It's great that you feel something, it's awesome the writer made your blood boil, but I for one can not see that in the writing. If he was the man you so violently want to dispose of (and that's a wtf? response from me *shakes head at BSN wanting to kill characters off so ridiculously*) I would not be here.

Im sorry for the way I wrote, it was full of rage, but I still have the same opinion. Not going do discuss it here, I shouldnt even had write my previous post, now that Im more chill I can see it, if you want to discuss it feel free to send me a PM =).
I reacted like that because of his action almost led or it did led to the destruction of something precious to me, one of the aspect of that I most like in the Dragon Age franchise.

[ModernAcademic]

...like I said, no need for pitchforks. 

[Bugsie]

Im sorry for the way I wrote, it was full of rage, but I still have the same opinion. Not going do discuss it here, I shouldnt even had write my previous post, now that Im more chill I can see it, if you want to discuss it feel free to send me a PM =).
I reacted like that because of his action almost led or it did led to the destruction of something precious to me, one of the aspect of that I most like in the Dragon Age franchise.

You do realise that the Templars can be destroyed without him don't you?  You don't necessarily have to be following the mage path?  His story is relevant because the choice you make between Mages and Templars, it doesn't mean the Red Templars don't exist if he doesn't survive to lead them.  I think your anger at him 'destroying what you love' and his characterisation as a 'sociopath' is entirely misplaced (seriously, go look up the definition of sociopath).  He is a villain, of that there is no doubt, but the ultimate blame for destruction of either mages or Templars lies entirely with Corypheus.

[mordy_was_here]

*pops in* o hey dudes whats going on here

 

[Tigrae]

I reacted like that because of his action almost led or it did led to the destruction of something precious to me, one of the aspect of that I most like in the Dragon Age franchise.

 

Do you honestly think one singular person destroyed the Templar Order? You don't think it was the fact that the Seekers withheld the info about the reversal of the Rite of Tranquility, which caused the Circles to Rebel, which caused the Seekers to nullify the Nevarran Accord and objectively caused the Templars to leave the Chantry? 

 

You're doing yourself a disservice by skipping over a lot of factors that all culminated in the socio-political climate we deal with in DA:I.

[Arcanista]

I mean Champions of the Just allows the Herald to formally disband the Templars and making Leliana Divine can cement that, and Samson is never even a factor in that play route. I know I sort of question the accuracy of the notion that puts sole blame for destruction of the Templar Order on Samson, though, given the sociopolitical quagmire, corrupt leadership, Corypheus' active interference via demons, etc, going on. He's a piece of it, certainly, but I wouldn't even call him an integral piece of that mess.