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I...really wouldn't say that anythign Samson did after he met Corypheus was admirable.  It wasn't.  He did some bad things. 

 

At the kernel of what he was, he wanted to do right. He wanted to do good. He let that get twisted by his rage at the Chantry. Much like Anders was.  His rage while probably pretty justified given what he went through in his life doesn't make his actions with the Red Templars excusable.  Despite all this, I like Samson's character. He's a good "villain".  His background and what he turns into makes my heart hurt. I wish things had gone differently for him because you can see how much he cared.  That could have been utilized for actual good.

 

Ser Barris is young and has NONE of Samson's baggage.  It was probably really difficult though to stand up to his brothers/sisters. Like Samson he cared for them.  Fighting against them like he did was no easy task.  I don't really see it as weakness. I see it as understandble again.  He's ONE man against this entire massive institution.  The fact that - in the end - he stood up or if you don't recruit him he went out fighting...says a lot. 

 

I think you all are really too needy for these things to have easy answers and be black and white. A need for there to be a bad guy and a good guy. The thing is, things aren't black/white. And there isn't really a bad guy or a good guy.  It's complicated and messy and sometimes the bad guy is the good guy and vice versa.

 

At the end of the day, all we have is just people.  People making stupid, good, terrible decisions.  And then just living with the consequences.  That's all this is.  I find Samson to be a good person but still can think what he did was atrocious.  I also am capable of thinking Ser Barris while a bit weak willed is still a hero. 

 

That's what the entire game was about.   Are we more than our actions?  And that's for the player to decide. Clearly some of you say no - there is a line. At some point intent doesn't matter --- which is reasonable. For me, though, it does.  

I suppose that's fair. Still, as the Inquisitor, it's the Inquisitor's job to judge such people. And how does one do that with out parameters? Does the intention, the body count left behind, the practicality of who's better for Thedas and the Inquisition come into mind? If we are to compare Delrin and Samson, yes Samson did terrible things but for a more hopeful end for him and the people he cares about. Delrin followed orders like a good soldier and with out the Inquisitor's intervention, ultimately failed because he lacked the will to act. It's true I'm harsh on Delrin because he is capable. I guess if Delrin is to be raised as a leader and messiah of the templar order, I would expect more than just rescuing kittens from trees. On one hand, Samson acted and inspires a loyalty in his men only good men could. On the other hand, Delrin is quite accomplished strategically but lacks initiative. The problem I have with Delrin is he is a "yesman", to die fighting in a situation with out any strategy to save his people or make things right, or worse just negligent of the consequences until it's too late- it's just thoughtless and a waste of a good soldier. I'm disappointed in him I say. I suppose Blackwall's story about how he looked the other way at an abused dog or Heir telling Assassin Inquisitor "a still blade cuts as deep as one that lashes out" in their war table quest has me wondering, is an atrocious action worse than inaction that leads to atrocious consequences?



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I suppose that's fair. Still, as the Inquisitor, it's the Inquisitor's job to judge such people. And how does one do that with out parameters? Does the intention, the body count left behind, the practicality of who's better for Thedas and the Inquisition come into mind?

 

Depends on the Inquisitor, if you're RPing them as individuals rather than self-inserts or an extension of what you would do.  My first Inquisitor cared a lot about intention, and as a result spared or recruited almost everyone who came before her in judgment.  My current Inquisitor...not so much.  He's probably going to ship Samson back to Kirkwall for summary execution and not bat an eyelash over it.  In some ways it's actually kind of scary how much the Inquisition as an organization winds up being informed by the Inquisitor as an individual.  


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His first name is Raleigh, then?

 

Tsk. I guess I can't keep calling him John Samson in the fanfic. I'll have to do something about that.



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I suppose that's fair. Still, as the Inquisitor, it's the Inquisitor's job to judge such people. And how does one do that with out parameters?

 

It really depends on the character of the Inquisitor you created. They each have their own backstories and motivations.



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His first name is Raleigh, then?

 

Tsk. I guess I can't keep calling him John Samson in the fanfic. I'll have to do something about that.

 

At least you got that his last name was Samson! I thought it was his first name (or only name, like Anders).


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At least you got that his last name was Samson! I thought it was his first name (or only name like Anders).

Yeah.  I figured he was low born.   So his family name wouldn't have really mattered. But then again as a templar I guess it does.  Maybe as a mage you're stripped of your family name. I don't know. The naming conventions in Thedas are all wonky.


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The naming conventions in Thedas are all wonky.

 

Cullen gets called by his first name, Samson by his surname...all the PCs are only referred to by surname for gameplay reasons...I got the impression that a lot of characters have a first name and family name, and then it's just a matter of what sticks.  Or whatever the writers come up with first  :lol:


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Cullen gets called by his first name, Samson by his surname...all the PCs are only referred to by surname for gameplay reasons...I got the impression that a lot of characters have a first name and family name, and then it's just a matter of what sticks.  Or whatever the writers come up with first  :lol:


That's possible, Sable. The pattern in the Templars seems so odd otherwise. Could it be rank? Perhaps officers are called by their first names. I'd tossed around the idea the name depended on your social status (nobles might go by their last name), but with Samson being a surname...not so sure.

You have: Cullen [Stanton Rutherford], [Raleigh] Samson, Meredith [Stannard], [Delrin] Barris....


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At least you got that his last name was Samson! I thought it was his first name (or only name like Anders).

 

Me, too. o/

I also thought Cullen was a last name.



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That's possible, Sable. The pattern in the Templars seems so odd otherwise. Could it be rank? Perhaps officers are called by their first names. I'd tossed around the idea the name depended on your social status (nobles might go by their last name), but with Samson being a surname...not so sure.

You have: Cullen [Stanton Rutherford], [Raleigh] Samson, Meredith [Stannard], [Delrin] Barris....

 

I thought perhaps templars who got expelled from the order were no longer called by their first name, but Barris is. =S

 

Speaking of names, I wonder what Calpernia's last name is...maybe Jo Berry will reveal it in her short story? *___*

 

And what about Corypheus? Wasn't this his "nickname" within the group of Magisters who went to the Black City?

That's not his real name, right? We never actually learn how he was called....


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Me, too. o/

I also thought Cullen was a last name.

 

Oh I did, too. I always assumed, like most military institutions, they used their [Rank][Last name] - but then the Winter Palace happened and "Cullen Stanton Rutherford" happened and blew it all out of the water.

 

I'd thought that maybe people of noble birth used their last name (since it has meaning - like Ser Delrin Barris, Ser Otto Elrik), and lowborn families use just a first name (Cullen - farmer's son, Rylen - stonecutter's son, Thrask - merchant's son)?

 

So maybe the Samson's are a noble family? Or they just haven't figured out the Templar naming conventions (which drives me batty).


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And what about Corypheus? Wasn't this his "nickname" within the group of Magisters who went to the Black City?

That's not his real name, right? We never actually learn how he was called....

 

We know his name: Sethius Amladaris


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Jo Berry: you'll be happy to know that everyone on tumblr is collectively looking at folded paper birds, saying the name Raleigh, and trying to hold it together.

 

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[Source]


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Oh I did, too. I always assumed, like most military institutions, they used their [Rank][Last name] - but then the Winter Palace happened and "Cullen Stanton Rutherford" happened and blew it all out of the water.

 

I'd thought that maybe people of noble birth used their last name (since it has meaning - like Ser Delrin Barris, Ser Otto Elrik), and lowborn families use just a first name (Cullen - farmer's son, Rylen - stonecutter's son, Thrask - merchant's son)?

 

So maybe the Samson's are a noble family? Or they just haven't figured out the Templar naming conventions (which drives me batty).

 

That's probably it. o/ 

 

I guess they still hadn't come up with Cullen's last name - and that of other NPCs - when DA2 came out. Probably because it wasn't important at the time. 

 

No wonder everyone thought Samson was a first name. I don't think it's commonly used as a surname.



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Yeah I was surprised that Samson was his last name.



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For me, Samson remains Samson .....Raleigh is nice, too, though......


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Jo Berry: you'll be happy to know that everyone on tumblr is collectively looking at folded paper birds, saying the name Raleigh, and trying to hold it together.

 

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:crying:

 

...yeah, I had that coming. Aww, it's so lovely!


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:crying:

 

...yeah, I had that coming. Aww, it's so lovely!

 

And we love every minute of it, so thank you!

 

I can't wait for the Calpernia story :D


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I'm dying to know more about her life in Tevinter and how Corypheus convinced her to join him. She's such a strong leader. I count her among my favorite female characters in the DA lore.  <3



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I'm dying to know more about her life in Tevinter and how Corypheus convinced her to join him. She's such a strong leader. I count her among my favorite female characters in the DA lore.  <3

 

I just want fabulous mage party times with Calpernia, Maevaris, and Dorian in the next Dragon Age.  Kicking ass, redeeming Tevinter, and looking glorious while doing it.  IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK


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#1021
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Ideas for Samson artwork (if any talented artists wish to give it a try ^_^ ).


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Fun fact about The World of Thedas vol 2: those sections for Samson and Calpernia were written by Sylvia Feketekuty (I was writing other stuff). I got a kick out of the fact that the only person seen using Samson's first name is Meredith. :D


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*still waiting for World of Thedas to be imported in my country*

Aw, man, I'm dying to read those two sections. ç.ç

Excuse me while I drag myself to a shady corner over there to contemplate my own misery. >_>



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Basically summed up the state of spirit of the Samson Raleigh Samson fandom these days. :P  



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Fun fact about The World of Thedas vol 2: those sections for Samson and Calpernia were written by Sylvia Feketekuty (I was writing other stuff). I got a kick out of the fact that the only person seen using Samson's first name is Meredith. :D

 

Clearly the only time it ever gets used is when he's in trouble, hahaha.


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