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[Ash Wind]

Nightmare:

Warden Commander Cousland… most who have as much blood on their hands as you do are called tyrants; some believe you a hero, but you know the truth. Those who have died at your hand, or because of your self-serving decisions are legion. The dark slippery taint that slinks in your blood is a bright star compared the darkness of your soul.

 

You fight them, don’t you… you need them to be wrong but know they are true… the nightmares of that night, how you could have made a difference, and yet failed! You failed your brother by letting his family be slain as you fulfilled your base desires. Your parents were alive, and while everyone who should have mattered in your life was being cut to ribbons… you ran! The guilt erodes you, you are hollow and fear that truth will be exposed. The ringing echoes of the words “What if?’ haunt your dreams.

 

You fight them don’t you… the nightmares of your battle against the blight, you murdered, betrayed, schemed and enslaved. The path of destruction that lies behind you is felt by all you were supposed to save. How many did you kill at the tower? How many will die at Bhelen’s treachery? You could have ended the werewolf curse... but that wouldn't had made your task any easier. How many souls will be imprisoned because you sought to make your burden easier by saving the anvil of the void? When offered a clear choice… you always choose the path of least resistance to make your burden easier. And now, at the end of the path, you nightmares are haunted by your decisions, knowing you could have been great… but were not.

 

How is such a (chuckles) hero riddled and crippled by fear…? You leapt at the chance to free yourself of the burden of sacrifice, despite knowing the ritual’s origin lied with the vile Flemeth. With as little possible knowledge of its potentially sinister consequence, and indifference to its source, your innate reaction was better others suffer than I. Is this the action of a hero? Fear permeates your nightmares, but selfishly… you do not have a fear of what you might have unleashed on the world… your nightmare is that you will be blamed for it.

 

You fear them, don’t you… the nightmares of being unloved and uncared for; that you mattered to no one. The swamp witch, your nightmares are riddled with her presence. She was the only woman in this world you have ever loved, but was it reciprocated? You know the unsatisfying answer… she feigned love and tolerated your vile presence only because she had to. And what is the recurring result of that nightmare… she flees… can’t flee fast enough as soon as she had used you up and gotten what she wanted. You fear you are empty, unneeded, undesired, and unwanted.

 

And in conclusion, your greatest, and most self-serving nightmare is of your death… or more… you won’t be able to avoid it. The nightmares of the slightest touch of death’s icy fingers on your neck torment you. You swore an oath to Sacrifice, but you choose the sacrifice of others rather than yourself at every opportunity. You let a vile blood mage continue research on how to extend your life, damn the consequences.  You greedily grasp every chance to save yourself at the risk of others. You are consumed by the pointless cause of extending your life, and even if you suceeded... it wouldn’t matter… because your greatest nightmare... even you realize, is that you’re all ready dead. You are unloved and unwanted, alone in your life, damned by your actions and haunted by your decisions... only the title remains... Hero of Ferelden... and even that would be evicerated if they knew what you really were.

 

Yours are some of the most savory nightmares I have feasted on, I thank thee.

 

Warden:  I’m sorry, were you saying something? The battle helmet kind of makes it hard to hear… sounded kind of important…

 

Nightmare: Oh **** off!

 

Warden: (yelling) Merry Christmas Mr. Potter!!

[leaguer of one]

It's true though, it's bound to get her and those close to her hurt, a la magic well of knowaldge etc.

Morriagan issue is her lust for Knowledge, not power. That's what's going to bring her fall.

[leaguer of one]

The epilogue is only sometimes ignored. What has always been ignored, however, are the Monarch's Boons, so I doubt that the game will actually acknowledge an elven bann in the first place.

Not true...Turns out Harramont does live if he becomes king.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Not true...Turns out Harramont does live if he becomes king.

 

The epilogues kinda see into the future a bit, so it's possible Harrowmont just hasn't been poisoned (allegedly) yet, as of DA:I. 

 

We find out he's pissing a lot of people off, so it's definitely likely.

[Aimi]

Not true...Turns out Harramont does live if he becomes king.

I'm not sure what part of my post you think isn't true.

Most things in the epilogues are ignored, but some of them aren't. For instance, the Origins epilogue specifically mentioned Amaranthine and set the stage for Awakening, which was never retconned for obvious reasons. So that's still true. But there are things like "Anders dying" or "Anders staying with the Wardens" or "Justice returning to the Fade" that were clearly ignored and/or outright contradicted. Thus, we cannot take it as granted that something in the epilogues is untrue, but neither can we take it as granted that something in the epilogues is true.

The Monarch's Boons have, however, always been ignored, and in some cases were explicitly retconned. The Ferelden Circle Tower did not become independent. The Dalish clans did not get the Hinterlands. The Fereldan military never seems to have launched itself headlong into the Deep Roads to vanquish darkspawn. Stuff like that.

[ParagonStovus]

    Nightmare: (chuckles) Ah, the famed Hero of Ferelden, come to face her fears at long last. Tell me, Chancellor Amell, how many of your fellow mages were put down like rabid dogs while you warmed King Alistair's bed? Perhaps you could have averted the war, that day at Andoral's Reach. Irving turned to you before anyone else. Yet you held your tongue, because you feared that the rebels knew what you had known all along: that their 'hero' was a self-serving hypocrite. You joined the Wardens to save yourself, not Ferelden, and abandoned them as soon as service became inconvenient. Duncan must be rolling in his grave...if he had one.

 

    Amell: Are you quite finished, demon?

 

    Nightmare: Oh no. True tests, after all, never end. That is what you were told, so long ago, and yet you never suspected that you would fail so utterly. You would do anything to preserve your own life. Deserting the mages in their hour of need seems a small price to pay to avoid your Calling, does it not? And that was but the last step on a long, dark path. Thanks to you, the Architect walks free and the Dragon of Beauty is reborn. Precisely how many horrors do you plan to inflict upon this world?

 

    Hawke: I think I've still got you beaten there, cousin.

[MissScarletTanager]

Yue Cousland, the Hero of Ferelden in my playthrough, was afraid of a hell of a lot of things. Oh boy... let's see here...

 

Nightmare: "Strong, diplomatic Yue. You used your coercive, roguish wiles to charm and talk your way out of every situation. Every one of them... but your fate. And when the time came, Morrigan presented herself, didn't she? And what did you force your love, your soon-to-be husband, to do then?"

 

Yue: "You cannot dissuade me, demon."

 

Nightmare: "He hated her, and he hated every moment of their coupling. You forced it on him to save yourself."

 

Yue: "I did it to save him!"

 

Nightmare: "Little Kieran... you can see Alistair in him, can't you? And in all these eleven years, the one thing Alistair has wanted most - the one thing you wanted most - you cannot give him. Why don't you tell your companions your true reason for researching how to absolve a Grey Warden of the Taint?"

 

Yue: "Begone, demon!"

 

Nightmare: "And your family... your mother needn't have died in Highever. Between Duncan and yourself, you could have forced her to leave. But you ran. You ran and now she is dead. And another bore a child that should have been yours."

 

Yue: *explodes and goes berserk with her daggers in turbo mode*

 

Alistair, the Dark Ritual, and leaving her mum... my Warden's berserk buttons xD

[leaguer of one]

I'm not sure what part of my post you think isn't true.

Most things in the epilogues are ignored, but some of them aren't. For instance, the Origins epilogue specifically mentioned Amaranthine and set the stage for Awakening, which was never retconned for obvious reasons. So that's still true. But there are things like "Anders dying" or "Anders staying with the Wardens" or "Justice returning to the Fade" that were clearly ignored and/or outright contradicted. Thus, we cannot take it as granted that something in the epilogues is untrue, but neither can we take it as granted that something in the epilogues is true.

The Monarch's Boons have, however, always been ignored, and in some cases were explicitly retconned. The Ferelden Circle Tower did not become independent. The Dalish clans did not get the Hinterlands. The Fereldan military never seems to have launched itself headlong into the Deep Roads to vanquish darkspawn. Stuff like that.

I just saying some thing in the epilogue never come to fruit, boon or not. We can't say which will or will not yet, that's up to bw. Added with her becoming a bann part of the boon then it would mean by your logic it does not happen.(Yet Merrill did mention the dalish wardens boon in da2.)

[Solbranthius]

It'd likely taunt him about the loss of his family after the betrayal of Howe, exploiting it in an attempt to make him doubt his allies and their intentions.

[nikki-tikki]

Nightmare: "Allistair is a virgin."

 

F. Cousland: "Well, ****." 

[Nightingale]

Interesting question. Even more interesting definition of "fun"

 

My "canon" Warden was an Ultimate Sacrifice Surana, but if I were to go back and have her live, it'd certainly be related to that. "Hailed as a hero for letting your best friend die for the decision and sacrifice you could not make." Or worse, the guilt at not being able to let either of them die, guilting Alistair into doing the Dark Ritual and the potential consequences of letting an Old God live on. "You were only too happy to let Alistair finally decide something; if only you had not let him kill Loghain when you could have used him."

 

My second favourite Warden would likely be similar. "It does not matter how far from the Alienage you get, you will always be a pitiful knife-ear that could not even save Shianni in time. And now you will let Leliana down, again. Does she know what you did to get here? And it will all be for nothing. You will become a monster to serve the very thing you have spent so long fighting, alone in the Deep Roads."

[Lady Artifice]

    Nightmare: (chuckles) Ah, the famed Hero of Ferelden, come to face her fears at long last. Tell me, Chancellor Amell, how many of your fellow mages were put down like rabid dogs while you warmed King Alistair's bed? Perhaps you could have averted the war, that day at Andoral's Reach. Irving turned to you before anyone else. Yet you held your tongue, because you feared that the rebels knew what you had known all along: that their 'hero' was a self-serving hypocrite. You joined the Wardens to save yourself, not Ferelden, and abandoned them as soon as service became inconvenient. Duncan must be rolling in his grave...if he had one.

 

    Amell: Are you quite finished, demon?

 

    Nightmare: Oh no. True tests, after all, never end. That is what you were told, so long ago, and yet you never suspected that you would fail so utterly. You would do anything to preserve your own life. Deserting the mages in their hour of need seems a small price to pay to avoid your Calling, does it not? And that was but the last step on a long, dark path. Thanks to you, the Architect walks free and the Dragon of Beauty is reborn. Precisely how many horrors do you plan to inflict upon this world?

 

    Hawke: I think I've still got you beaten there, cousin.

 

 

Bravo.

[Andres Hendrix]

Morriagan issue is her lust for Knowledge, not power. That's what's going to bring her fall.

Knowledge is power.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Pearl...Isabela,Leliana,Zevran,Warden...Oghren faints from shock...enough explained 

[Emerald Rift]

Warden Tabris.

 

Nightmare Demon: Hero of Ferelden, no matter how many people you save, titles you are rewarded and stories of your courage are spread throughout Thedas. You are still a lowly knife-ear, still trying to claw your way out of the gutter and away from your people where they need you most. You will never be good enough for "your" King.

 

HOF: Sod off. 

 

That was quite fun to write.

[the inquisitor94]

It'd likely taunt him about the loss of his family after the betrayal of Howe, exploiting it in an attempt to make him doubt his allies and their intentions.

Nice idea. He could say "The Couslands got what they deserved. The wardens where behind, Duncan's idea. The only way to get you recruited and the king have the favor of Arl Rendon Howe. How do you feel serving the people who stole your life, your status and killed your family? And now your are sleeping with Duncan's pet. He could also be behind" 

[leaguer of one]

Knowledge is power.

But to her power is a means to an end, not the goal. Knowledge is the goal.

[ctd757]

My Warden would not have cared about Hawke at all really. Hawke is just ugh

[Deebo305]

Hmm...I'll take a stab at it

Nightmare: "Warden-Commander Amell, Hero of Ferelden, Hero to all his fellow mages. Tell me would they still call you hero after abandoning your post and siding with enemy? First you allowed Morrigan to claim the archdemons soul then you allowed the Architect to live after he butchered your brothers! You are no better than my master pretender"

Warden Amell- ....

Nightmare- No response? As expected hahaha

Inquisitor- Wow, your cousin took that one pretty well Hawke

Hawke- Huh?Oh...ah...he doesn't talk much. Action speaks louder than words and all that

[Andres Hendrix]

But to her power is a means to an end, not the goal. Knowledge is the goal.

That is a separate issue, the question is will her drive towards power hurt others (especially those that she cares about)? We already know that the answer is yes.

[Hazegurl]

"Ah, Young Cousland. So much promise soon to end sooner than you would like. We both know you won't die in the deep roads. No, you'll become a withered shadow of your former glory, too pathetic for the darkspawn to kill.  You'll never cure your Blight, you'll die and leave your wife (Morrigan) and son at the whims of a begotten Witch. Morrigan's body will be Flemeth's and your son will destroy everything you've fought to save."

 

Warden: "I hope he destroys you first, *******." 

 

 

I imagine my Warden knows he would go for his Calling and would probably fight and fight until he ends up like Larius or something. His will to live is too strong.  I also think that like Morrigan his one goal is to be a good parent to Kieran and in the back of his mind he may have doubts about how good he and Morrigan is for him. The circumstances surrounding his birth alone is a cause of concern.  Overall, it's all about his fears over being incapacitated and not being there for his family when they may need him most. A good motivation behind his desire to cure himself.

[GoldenGail3]

Warden Amell:

"Ah, Elisabeth Amell, the cowardly one, you couldn't bring yourself to make Alistair king out of your own selfish needs. You failed Ferelden, you allowed Jowan to go through his plan of escaping the circle, you helped a Blood Mage escape. At Redcliffe, he poisoned Earl Eamon, he ruined many lives, to which you did nothing, the blood on your hands are nothing but innocent people, men, woman, children, whole entire families dead due to the Connor's deal with demons that caused the death of so many, and all because you failed to stop Jowan, you not only betrayed you own morals, you failed Cullen who you yearned for, but whom never accepted you feelings."

"Alistair is happier as a Warden, anyhow and how do you know I liked Cullen...." She responded easily, but she saw Hawke laughing, so she hit Hawke upside the head.

"Yet, you did everything to curing the Werewolfs, to destroying the Anvil, and befriending everyone in your group. You also saved the witch that caused Connor to make a deal with the demon in the first place, you did all that because of Alistair. You even took the Witch's deal because you so yearned to save him from death, you choice to do blood magic rather than do what the Grey Wardens due best 'In Death duty and sacrife. You failed to do your own kinsman due to everyday due you being a coward. You also saved Amarthine when it was taken over by darkspawn, you saved a village from what? Nothing, because you'll have to kill all of them once the Blight Illness takes them, if you just destroyed Amarthine, you wondered, maybe the Blight wouldn't have spread, you did the exact opposite of what your kinsman do, you failed your swore duty by your blind instinct to make Alistair proud, while he wasn't even there."

"You killed the Archiet while thinking you did the wrong choice, you wondered if maybe he could have helped you with overcoming the Blight, all you did was successfully destroy a chance of curing your blighted sickness. You failed the Grey Wardens, you failed to save you and your loved one. You kept Avernus alive, so what, you kept a Blood Mage alive yet again. You swore to kill every Blood Mage you came across, yet you failed to slay Avernus, a swore enemy to your ideals."

"Well, your gonna die and once that happens, I'll use my trusty-sword here to do the job, and yes, I do mistaken, but Hawke makes more mistakes then I do in a lifetime! So go f**** yourself demon, because the time for words is over, actions are what count now."

[WardenHero]

Probably poking the Warden about Leliana dying or betraying him, his impending death and the usual.

 

My Warden will be giving the Nightmare demon the usual "silent treatment", just like he always did in DAO. XD

[Silcron]

"Ah, the great Hero of Ferelden. What would othaAAARGH! Maker's arse and Andraste's ****** please stop! *dying noises.*"

"What? Didn't you know how (OP) powerful i am? I didn't get famous for nothing and it's not like I'm a stranger to being pulled into the fade and dealing with this sh¡t. You want to see real creepy stuff go to Kal Sharok, or better, don't."

[DragonRacer]

I imagine the purging of the Denerim Alienage thanks to her recruitment - and, therefore, lack of direct punishment from the nobles after the wedding fiasco - would be a very sore spot.

 

I'd like to think she'd take it in stride, though. Much like Loghain, there is not much Nightmare could say to her that she hadn't already said to herself every day.