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Reapers' Motivations & Assumptions: Is lasting Peace really impossible without the Crucible?


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Genetic change may or may not have occured. Citadel's scanners, Aria's goons probably use the latest known Shepard DNA which may be updated after the battle with Sovereign. Lazarus project did not have anything to do with Shepard's DNA.
You're talking about poor implementation of DNA knowledge in the series. We meet three species with the ability to read and pass that knowledge. Plus Asari can have children through the mind meld. That's not a pure information transfer. Surely it could've had more impact, just as Shepard's death, Sovereign attack and the truth about the Citadel. But it was referenced in all three games. That's more than we can say about many things in the trilogy.

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Guys stupid question, but how to you quote someone on this forum. I press the quote button but it doesn't quote anyone. I'm new and I've gotta quote someone way back lol. Thanks :)



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@Googlesaurus

 

Lamarkism is not limited to DNA, epigenetics is lamarkism. If you wanted to store complex information such as memories, the complexity of chemical modifications and non coding RNA may be the way to go.



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Guys stupid question, but how to you quote someone on this forum. I press the quote button but it doesn't quote anyone. I'm new and I've gotta quote someone way back lol. Thanks :)

Pressing quote button works for me. Alternatively you can write
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They're shown to be exceptions for two reasons. 

 

1. They were mysterious species ill-understood by the rest of galactic society. The rachni were wiped out before anyone could properly study them, so there were no records of genetic memory or "singing" to children. Binary Helix and Cerberus attempted to train the queen's young without that knowledge, and the experiments imploded in their faces. No one knew about the Thorian until ExoGeni set up the colony on Feros. Since both instances in the games are isolated events, nothing else outside their narratives were affected by those revelations. 

 

2. They were the only living species within the cycle to acquire knowledge and experiences through DNA. The rachni passed on genetic memory from queen to queen, which was how Saren found the location of the Mu Relay. The Thorian absorbed knowledge from the bodies of its victims, which was how Shiala gained access to the Cipher. The asari share knowledge through melding, which is expressly not DNA absorption or sharing. The krogan, quarians, salarians, turians and humans don't have any such abilities besides basic heritability. Experiential transfer through DNA is not brought up again until the end of ME2. In ME3, Javik can acquire memories and knowledge through psychometry. 

 

If knowledge and memory transfer through DNA was discovered, it would be the equivalent of mass effect technology or quantum physics i.e. one of the greatest discoveries in the history of a species. It would be the ultimate game changer in nearly every aspect of life. How did it not manifest through any phenomena whatsoever? Why were there no mutations that positively drew from it? How did no asari scientist ever stumble upon it by accident or conjecture in ~47,000 years?

 

1. That pretty much proves my point. DNA containing all that stuff is not common knowledge in the MEU.

 

2. The DNA of all organics contains their memories, knowledge, etc, but only some species have the ability to access that. Like you said, the Thorian, the Rachni and the Protheans are all able to access that. Every other (known) species don't have this ability and therefore have no reason to even think about it.

 

Well it was not discovered. And what do you mean it did not manifest or had no mutation that positively drew from it? Did you forget about the Rachni, Thorian and Protheans? You know, the ones you just talked about...

 

How would someone stumble upon DNA containing memories and knowledge by accident? How do you even do that? Anyone who is not able to access memories and knowledge via DNA should not even know about it. You're telling me that some Asari could wake up someday and say ''Hey, I have no idea why, but I'm sure our DNA holds our memories and knowledge. Let me do some research about that.'' Plus, it's not like they can do anything about it, they won't be able to see your memories. Only those who possess the ability can.

 

Lets say a Turian and a Prothean have physical contact. The Turian receives not information at all, while the Prothean can access the Turian's memories and knowledge because he has the ability to do so.
 



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Consider this: How did we discover that we can send music over the air? No one has that ability naturally. How would we just 'stumble on' that?

 

How did we discover that there are ways to repair damaged genes with good ones? How did we discover that we even HAVE genes in the first place? No one has the natural ability to manipulate or see or sense genes in the first place.

 

AND YET, here, in the real world, there is the hypothesis that messenger RNA has the potential to carry a person's memories and experience. No one has the natural ability to do that, so why did it even arise as a possibility?

 

In Mass Effect, it's not just a hypothesis, it's a proven fact, supposedly, according to Javik. You'd think the Salarians would be deeply into researching how it happens well before Javik's revival and revelation; imagine the ability to pass along skills and knowledge with an injection, you think the Salarians with their short lifespans and fanatic exploration of science wouldn't be into that like ants into sugar?


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