Which of you embraced the role of Herald of Andraste?
#1
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:33
Just tell me the reasons, how you RP'd it as the story progressed, etc.
#2
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:35
My Dalish elf resisted it at first, but then started to come around a little as time passed... but then once the big reveal about how he actually got his powers came up, he pretty much said "So much for that," and went back to his old religion. Still, he never actively disputed the title, since it was a valuable tool for keeping the humans on good terms and making the Inquisition seem legit. Also, he was trying to score with Cassandra, so there's that...
#3
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:39
My main character is The Herald of Andraste. He believes it was the maker who aided him all the way from the beginning to the end. He sees the maker's hand in every action, like Morrigan being there to drink from the well. He always states his beliefs and how it was the maker that saved him. When he discovered "the truth" about cory and the anchor he just was amazed by how Andraste blessed him to be there and receive this gift to fight that devil and his demons. He also loves Cassandra and hope they can develop their love and faith together.
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#4
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:46
My dwarf fighter played the "I don't know" card internally with her crew, but whenever questioned publicly, she's all about Andraste and the Maker. I couldn't help but yell "For the Maker" at Corypheus because I knew it would make him extra salty.
My human mage was a 100%, purebred, bonafide Chantry shill, spouting the chant and snuggling with the Templars (including Cassandra).
My elf mage is my only 100% "there's no maker, ya derps" playthrough.
#5
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:48
I know some people think the extra dialogue options for the races and your beliefs don't amount to much, but I think they're awesome.
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#6
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:53
#7
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:58
Both my human noble and mage full herald while my dwarf warrior was a skeptical follower of the stone, even stated he felt a connection to the stone all three worked rather well.
#8
Posté 05 février 2015 - 04:59
The game prettynkuvh gives you no choice even if you don't accept it the characters like Cullen and Cassandra will tell you that the people will still think you are a herald of Andraste. So whatever you decide it makes no difference because the masses will never see you as anything else
Which honestly is a realistic reflection of human nature, especially when you think about the things the inquisitor has done.
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#9
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:00
My Inquisitor lead a secular life, and did not care for the religious nonsense. He was there to make sure that the people of Thedas would have a world to live in, a world that said people would more than likely screw up all over again...lol
#10
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:03
I generally play my characters as believers, so they embrace their role as the Herald. I do avoid the more condescendingly pious choices, though. When they find out how the mark came to be, they still believer, just that is was the Maker's work indirectly.
#11
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:08
My first, a dwarven lady, spent most of the game protesting, "But I'm a dwarf!" and answering questions of faith with, "Uh, I don't know."
The Dalish assassin chick I played second was hard on the side of the Elven gods and advancing the elven cause.
The human mage I started just recently loves to tell people that she's absolutely the Herald of Andraste, and glory to the Maker, but that's just the kind of thing they need to believe for her to gain power in the Inquisition.
I seem to have a block against playing an honest Andrastrian.
#12
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:08
I generally play my characters as believers, so they embrace their role as the Herald. I do avoid the more condescendingly pious choices, though. When they find out how the mark came to be, they still believer, just that is was the Maker's work indirectly.
And this is what I disliked about the adamant revelation it went from you were sent by the Maker! To OOOOOH the maker is working through you indirectly! I am still waiting for the andrastian faith to have egg thrown on their faces like the elven faith I hope its in DLC.
Cause that whole part just pissed me off especially hawke/warden response about the inquisitor telling them the truth. My inquisitor simply said he was a victim of circumstance he was a non believer and as he essentially told josie the maker does not give a crap in all the other world ending problems I don't think he will start giving a crap now.
#13
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:09
My evil qunari embraced the role while laughing behind everyone's backs for being so stupid to believe it in the first place. Needless to say he just used the herald angle for power.
#14
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:09
At first my guy resisted it, but with time he accepted role and became a believer. Then "that" happened and he said - F*** it! I'm the Herald! With Maker or not, you are screwed and I'm gonna kill you all, and lets see how many time you can say "Throne is empty" while my sword is cutting your head off.
#15
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:09
The game prettynkuvh gives you no choice even if you don't accept it the characters like Cullen and Cassandra will tell you that the people will still think you are a herald of Andraste. So whatever you decide it makes no difference because the masses will never see you as anything else
Why would they think otherwise just because of what you personally believed? Most people throughout Thedas don't have a firsthand account of what the Inquisitor is doing, only that s/he is closing rifts, killing demons and basically cleaning out all of the nightmarish baddies that are plaguing the land. Basically all they have is the epic summary of what's been going on.
I don't really have a problem with this myself. All I really care about is not having the Inquisitor be forced to believe this stuff.
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#16
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:09
My rogue was a faithful Andrastrean, but was reluctant to embrace the title, thinking it was rather presumptuous.
My qunari just rolled his eyes at the whole idea.
I'm thinking my mage will embrace it wholeheartedly.
#17
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:11
I went all in Joan of Arc, Andratse to guiding me on my current Playthrough. I'm about to do Adamant, and I'm excited to see the aftermath, the dialogue options, the reception, etc. It's been interesting so far, people don't say inquisitor anymore, people are saying my Lord, even Cassandra said it once, was crazy. The speech to the Templars about how Andraste sent me to bring them back to the faith was awesome, really well done.
I know some people think the extra dialogue options for the races and your beliefs don't amount to much, but I think they're awesome.
Oh, I agree completely. "I have my own gods," is one of my favorite lines... I mean, out of nowhere, Cassandra thinks a Dalish elf would eagerly jump at the idea of being chosen by a god he has almost no understanding of? I think maybe her "Seeker's Vigil" had some kind of long-term side effects... ![]()
Even better, we had the opportunity to have our non-human characters continue along these lines or slowly change their way of thinking as the adventure went on and they had more exposure to the Chantry and the religion of the Maker (among other options). IMO this was actually a very well-done aspect of the game, in spite of some other limitations in roleplaying.
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#18
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:16
I specifically chose a human character because I wanted to roleplay a devout if open-minded Andrastian. At that point I didn't even know about the "Herald" business ... that really came out of the left field, but I immediately thought it was a great and credible (because people who think the world is ending WILL invent and latch on to messiah figures) concept that I was very happy to engage with both during in-game dialogues and in my own headcanon regarding how it affects my character.
So my warrior Karis was flat-out shocked at first. Sure, that half-remembered image of a brilliant female figure reaching for her still burned within her and felt meaningful, but (due to the Nightmare) her memories were so disjointed that she wasn't sure if any of it was even real. And you simply don't ever claim to have the Prophet's or the Maker's favor like that ... it's just not done, it's blasphemy and hubris. She couldn't believe that the others were willing to let people believe it -- both because, politically speaking, it could harm the new Inquisition at least as much as help it, and because of that blasphemy angle. By the time she and the others met Mother Giselle and had the first of many heart-to-hearts with the cleric, though, she felt a vague sense of hope. Hope that maybe it was true, that she was meant to stand against the end of the world and could stop it all, could spread that hope to the terrified and suffering people. The Herald title and everything it meant was a hideously heavy burden that she never felt fully comfortable with -- who wants to fail not only the people who look up to you, but your god and prophet as well? -- but embraced nonetheless after a lot of soul-searching. Cassandra, her closest friend and confidant (aside from Cole, but that bond took longer to develop), helped with that, too. Burden or no, it did help sustain her through everything that followed, and influenced her to give people chances to redeem and prove themselves if they truly sought to, as she had been given a chance.
Because she was already inclined to search and question, the revelations of what the Anchor was and how she'd come by it, as well as who the woman in the Fade had been, didn't break her faith. It shook her, sure (though learning that she actually did kill the Divine and everyone else at the Conclave shook her far more), but she didn't need simple and easy answers to believe and hold on to hope. The spirit that emulated the Divine only affirmed that.
Also, Varric kinda has a point, too.
"Either you're guided by the hand of some higher power, or you have the worst luck," and "Look at all the **** that's happened to you. One of these things would be impossible. All of them together? That's a miracle."
#19
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:22
As a player, I have a strong, reflexive reaction against organized religion and I think the Chantry is a particularly reprehensible organization... but I enjoy playing religious characters, as long as it's optional.
My Cadash was born topside, so she was skeptical around the Inner Circle but did the "Praise Andraste!" thing in public because that's what people like to hear. She was rather pragmatic.
My Lavellan took the diplomatic "The jury is out" stance with anybody who might bash her for being a heathen, but on the whole, she stayed true to the Creators. I did enjoy the opportunity to tell Cassandra that she worshiped the Creators, and I really, really appreciated it that Cassandra didn't try to smite her for it.
Morgan Trevelyan was a little too jaded to buy into the whole Andraste myth hook, line, and sinker. As a veteran of the Ostwick Circle, he'd seen enough abuses committed in the name of religion to make him wary. Like Dorian, he believed in the Maker, but not in the Chantry.
Arya Trevelyan had a more pleasant experience in the Circle, so while she was largely indifferent about religion in general, she supported the Chantry and the Circles.
Beldin Trevelyan, a warrior, was very devout and traditional-minded about religion. He's a decent sort and therefore does not believe in the subjugation of mages without reason, but as long as the templar order promised to get back on track, he was fine supporting them.
My Adaar's personality has not yet solidified enough for me to tell how he feels about the whole thing, but I'm thinking he might be like my Cadash, praising the Maker when it works in his favor, but mostly staying out of it.
#20
Guest_Raga_*
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:24
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Considering how 90% of the fanbase seems to hate it with a passion, I'm curious to hear from those who've played a character that accepted the title.
Just tell me the reasons, how you RP'd it as the story progressed, etc.
My second Inquisitor believed it was Providence. He stopped short of declaring things like that he was speaking for the Maker - which seemed to him to be claiming he was Andraste, which he knew he wasn't. He very much believed the Maker and Andraste put him on his path for a reason though, and he embraced it. His attitude is roughly analogous to Cassandra's.
My first Inquisitor was agnostic, a Qunari, who maintained a pretty firm "I don't know if I'm chosen or not" attitude throughout. She has a pretty healthy respect for all traditions - the Chantry, the Qun, the elven religion, because as Vashoth, she sort of feels she got no choice to choose for herself if the Qun was for her or not. She *wants* to believe in something, but doesn't have the faith necessary to take the plunge in any specific direction.
My current Dalish is rather adamant she *isn't* the Herald without actively stomping on everything the Chantry believes. She is still a theist after all. She just happens to believe in a pantheon of gods rather than one creator God. She's reasonably tolerant of Chantry theology and ritual. She's less tolerant of their political practices.
Devout atheists are the one thing I just can't play. I find it completely impossible to identify with this viewpoint.
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#21
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:27
did the whole Herald an believing run on first play through, never again, was so cringe worthy for me an everytime my char opened her mouth i went for a coffee
#22
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:28
Considering how 90% of the fanbase seems to hate it with a passion, I'm curious to hear from those who've played a character that accepted the title.
Just tell me the reasons, how you RP'd it as the story progressed, etc.
I think 90 percent is a bit of a stretch. I think many don't like it simply because they are projecting their real world views on the game. I simply accepted or rejected the title depending on the character I was playing. My qunari embraced the title while my human mage rejected it. Reasons would vary from having genuine faith to simply accepting the title because it would make the inquisitor more popular with the people in the long run. Only thing I don't like is that it all seems for naught, there is never any hint or inkling that your choice could have actual merit to it, the game debunks it all no matter how you choose.
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#23
Guest_John Wayne_*
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:31
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Possibly. I like the idea that there is something out their bigger than us. But, I would never, ever become part of the Chantry. The Chantry like most real world religious organizations is neck deep and politics and full of far to many people who are using the religious beliefs of others for their personal gain.
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#24
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:32
I think 90 percent is a bit of a stretch. I think many don't like it simply because they are projecting their real world views on the game.
Agreed. Hell, I'm an atheist IRL with no love for real-world religions at all and even less for religious organizations and how they wield power, but in games I actually frequently find the issues of faith and spirituality fascinating and worth exploring.
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#25
Posté 05 février 2015 - 05:37
Played the "i do not know" card all the way through, didn't mind at all that others thought I was the Herald or were overly religious. People are people, even Varric is not convinced that you are just you when you tell him that.





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