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Mind Blast's utility is about as situational as barrier's utility is situational. It isn't. If you're not using it almost the time (other than issues with timing), you're using it wrong. While I wouldn't recommend it for a pure ranged caster build, it would be the same recommendation for FC. the whole drop aggro bit is irrelevant to its true utility. Exp farming, stagger, barrier and detonation are MB's true strengths.

In particular, there's a perilous exp farming team MB build involving 3x Necros + 1x Keeper with MB, Walking bomb and Static Cage, that farms perilous with close range combat, lots of AoE spells and status effects, and clears perilous moderately fast at around 10-15 minutes per clear and averaging 35k exp per run. Typical perilous teams gain 20-25k exp.

MB's ability can be exploited a lot, if you knew how to use it. Situational implies it is of limited use. I claim the situations you can make it work are so amazing you wouldn't want to pass it by in team builds.


Oh good grief, Drasca. Every bloody ability in the game is situational. Stop trying to argue about nothing.

Furthermore, instead of saying, "if someone isn't using Mind Blast almost all the time, they are using it wrong", you should really be saying, "I use mind blast all the time, and here is why." This way, you are stating your opinion clearly, making your point as you wish, but not being condescending about it. Just some advise.

I am giving this advise out of genuine politeness. You are really starting to sound more and more rude with every response, telling people they are wrong for not playing the game like you do. It's a game, Drasca. People are entitled to play it how they find it fun, and the vast majority of cases they are just as effective as any other person not trying to be a try-hard. Even if they are not, and wish to play that way and find that fun, who is to say that is wrong?
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Oh good grief, Drasca. Every bloody ability in the game is situational. Stop trying to argue about nothing.

 

Furthermore, instead of saying, "if someone isn't using Mind Blast almost all the time, they are using it wrong", you should really be saying, "I use mind blast all the time, and here is why." This way, you are stating you opinion clearly, making your point as you wish, but not being condescending about it. Just some advise.

 

I am giving this advise out of genuine politeness. You are really starting to sound more and more rude with every response, telling people they are wrong for not playing the game like you do. It's a game, Drasca. People are entitled to play it how they find it fun, and the vast majority of cases they are just as effective as any other person not trying to be a try-hard. Even if they are not, and wish to play that way and find that fun, who is to say that is wrong?

 

Well said. 



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Not only it does not freeze but in some cases it does no damage at all whatsoever. Animation/sound is always there though but damage is frequently absent especially off-host.

i am not 100% certain, but i did it once on wave 5 putting the AoE in front of the door.

1 archer is frozen.  when all teammate concentrate on the boss.

 

as far as i know it took a long time , may be > 8secs . 

and need to make sure the damage of blizzard does not kill him b4 frozen .

so basically frozen will not trigger easily. and i get the upgrade for the 75%damage

 

about the damage not trigger. as far as i know this game DoT is not per second.

the mechanism is per tick, meaning the tick can be 1.5sec to 2 secs

the same for poison damage.

this may be wrong , feel free to correct me

 

basically , the damage of blizzard is more than 150%.

i get 19 kill streak just by  blizzard and winter grasp without walking bomb on perilous. when all people concentrate on the boss

150% + 20%(power of the dead) +25% (unsullied victim) =195% 

compare chain lighting only get 200% for 1 hit (may be 2 if hit the same target 2 times)

with lyrium + magic + 50 mana . and death siphon +20mana/ kill = (4secs for blizzard)

you can get a extremely long period for blizzard

nearly don't need to cast off the blizzard until the boss are dead



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Oh good grief, Drasca. Every bloody ability in the game is situational. Stop trying to argue about nothing.

 

When everything is situational, that breaks the meaning, implied or otherwise. Don't use it if you don't want to imply it won't be used all the time. Mind Blast should be used all the time.

 

Mind Blast: Use it as much as possible, or don't put it on your bar. It is not a situational skill due to the low mana cost, cd, and synergies it has.

 

Going with your logic, who are you to tell me what I should argue over? You're using the last resort of people who do not have a real rebuttal. "It is just opinion, man"

 

No, not everything is style Mortiel. There's definite correct ways to use an ability, and incorrect ways to use it. If you want to say, cast barrier over no one on stairs, it is definitely the wrong way to use it because it is completely ineffective.

 

 

just as effective

 

Completely untrue, and unjustified statement. If you say you're making cake, and use toothpaste instead of cake mix, you're not making cake. You yourself have admitted to there being bad builds, but if there are bad builds, then there are better ones.

 

It might be fun for children to pretend to bake cake using toothpaste, but they are most definitely not making cake.

 

 

who is to say that is wrong

 

The players that want to win instead of wipe, and the people who want facts instead of unsubstantiated opinion. Not everything is equal. Not everything is good. You can be using skills wrong (and had in the case of discharge).

 

Or are you retracting your statement that builds can be bad? That you wouldn't use flashfire outside of necromancer? etc?

 

 

instead of saying,

 

Your advice about being indirect is wrong. I am going to be direct with my statements. Being indirect and non committal sends an unclear message, and I do not pussyfoot around facts.



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I don't think "Facts" means what you think it means.


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This is my favorite class and she stays alive the longest next to Templar and Legionnaire. But this is only for Threatening. I stopped playing Perilous because of too many random players charging into every mob, or intentionally playing it only for the loot and exp. boost.

 

Although I notice that when my Necro is around lvl 1-16, it's not exactly as easy as I'm making it sound. She does lose health very quickly at times, from those big melee swings from Brutes or multiple archers. But once I get to around lvl 17 something completely changes, and she almost turns into "god mode." And I'm still not sure what exactly triggers such a dramatic difference.

 

It has to be either Virulence or Ice Armor (I think this is where they take 50% less dmg near chilled enemies). Those are usually the ones I get later after everything else is upgraded, and other mandatory passives are chosen (like Death Siphon).

 

What I do: for entire mobs I first shoot a Walking Bomb from a distance, fire a 3 or more staff shots to build up some more dmg, then Fade Step through as many of them as possible (chilling them), then hit Mind Blast.........they all explode like Fourth of July. All dead, and I have full health. :wacko:

 

It doesn't hurt that my staff is Deathward or something (the one that heals 1% on hit), and that I have lots of useful rings/belts, but so do my other characters, and they aren't close to god mode as Necro at this point.

It could be the Virulence passive that is the secret trigger: the "shocked" effect from Mind Blast + Walking Bomb + Chilled is combining into crazy damage.



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When everything is situational, that breaks the meaning, implied or otherwise. Don't use it if you don't want to imply it won't be used all the time. Mind Blast should be used all the time. Conjecture with categorically false introductory statement.

 

Mind Blast: Use it as much as possible, or don't put it on your bar. It is not a situational skill due to the low mana cost, cd, and synergies it has. Conjecture.

 

Going with your logic, who are you to tell me what I should argue over? You're using the last resort of people who do not have a real rebuttal. "It is just opinion, man" Diversion

 

No, not everything is style Mortiel. There's definite correct ways to use an ability, and incorrect ways to use it.  If you want to say, cast barrier over no one on stairs, it is definitely the wrong way to use it because it is completely ineffective. Diversion

 

 

Completely untrue, and unjustified statement. If you say you're making cake, and use toothpaste instead of cake mix, you're not making cake. You yourself have admitted to there being bad builds, but if there are bad builds, then there are better ones. Diversion and Conjecture.

 

It might be fun for children to pretend to bake cake using toothpaste, but they are most definitely not making cake. Diversion

 

 

The players that want to win instead of wipe, and the people who want facts instead of unsubstantiated opinion. Not everything is equal. Not everything is good. You can be using skills wrong (and had in the case of discharge). Dispersion and Conjecture

 

Or are you retracting your statement that builds can be bad? That you wouldn't use flashfire outside of necromancer? etc? Diversion

 

 

Your advice about being indirect is wrong. I am going to be direct with my statements. Being indirect and non committal sends an unclear message, and I do not pussyfoot around facts.

 

Ok, let's first cover some definitions here, so you can have a clear understanding of what I am trying to say:

 

di·rect
dəˈrekt,dīˈrekt/
adjective
 
without intervening factors or intermediaries.
 
"the complications are a direct result of bacteria spreading"
synonyms: face to face, personal, immediate, firsthand
"direct contact with the president"
con·de·scend·ing
ˌkändəˈsendiNG/
adjective
 
having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority.
 
"she thought the teachers were arrogant and superior condescending"
synonyms: patronizing, supercilious,, snobbish, snobby, disdainful, lofty,haughty

 

Now, based upon those definitions, you attitude, even in your response to my last post, was condescending and not direct. I am not sure if you even know what it means. Direct means you use no diversion, dispersion, or conjecture. Saying someone is using a skill wrong if they are not using it constantly, especially when the skill is actually designed as a situational panic button is called conjecture. In other words, you were not being direct. You were being condescending because someone did not align with your ideas.

 

Furthermore, you ask what should you argue about? I say that you should not being arguing at all! Share you ideas, others share their ideas. Report bugs to the developers. Make some off-topic conversation about a funny moment you had, or laugh with someone else about a funny moment they had. It's called civilized communication. Don't be the condescending guy that feels obliged to show others how wrong they are for not being you. No one likes that guy. That guy stifles fun.

 

Seriously, Drasca. Please just stop. Take a breath. Swallow your ego for a moment, and stop.


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It must be a real hoot playing with this guy.



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It must be a real hoot playing with this guy.


He's a good player. No doubts there. So if that's what you are looking for, then yes it is.

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I like playing the necromancer like an ice skater using a combination of walking bomb, fade step, fade cloak and blizzard. I have a lot of fun with it thematically, even though I'd probably be more useful focusing on lowering my walking bomb's cooldown. 

 

Question, do you guys immediately detonate your walking bombs or does anyone actually wait. I find that when the enemies are initially bunched up, I can get a lot more people and thus a better virulent spread if I just immediately detonate my walking bombs. Plus it knocks them down and the ranged units don't ream my squishies as they approach. 



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He's a good player. No doubts there. So if that's what you are looking for, then yes it is.

 

Unfortunately, some people actually like to have fun when they play. This doesn't sound like it.



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As a keeper I just want to shout out to the necrancers of DAMP.

Static cage and walking bomb is a beautiful thing
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As a keeper I just want to shout out to the necrancers of DAMP.

Static cage and walking bomb is a beautiful thing

 

So is pairing it with Blizzard. Oh so beautiful!



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As a keeper I just want to shout out to the necrancers of DAMP.

Static cage and walking bomb is a beautiful thing

even king africa did know about that.. BOMBA !



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Mine has walking bomb w/ virulence, winters grasp, mind blast and horror. My thinking behind the build was freeze everything and mind blast it, but its situational..the duration ring on winters grasp helps.

I find it amusing when enemies aggressively charge you "aaargh!" And the you cast horror and they all turn and run lol.

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use horror and winter's grasp early but do not upgrade as you get better things later. which are also more cost effective. in the end I roll in my four slots, all upgraded, in order: Walking Bomb, Fade Step, Fade Cloak, Blizzard (with ice armour naturally). these are imo the best spells and never situational, always effective to use. clears mobs in seconds. but still, do NOT get complacent in perilous! be on the move or the aggro will lead to you getting sniped. blizzard does not freeze but it still dows very good area damage and gives you with the armour perk 50% damage reduction. for repositioning fade step, in case something nasty gets close to you or a demon pops under you fade cloak.