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[saladinbob]

Actually Ithurael, I was being what is commonly known as 'sardonic'. But in all seriousness, you're absolutely 100% incorrect and if you take that attitude, we'll end up with another game that leaves a sour taste in most people's mouths. It's more important than ever to drive home to the numpties in Bioware, just how dissatisfied we were with those elements of the original trilogy, especially the ending. If we allow them to rest on their laurels we risk them repeating the same mistakes. Do you want another game full of plotholes and a bad ending? Do you want a game (like Inquisition) full of meaningless and boring fetch quests? Or do you want a game that actually drives the genre forward and delivers a story that blows you away? You won't get it by 'keeping an open mind', you'll get it by constantly reminding Bioware just how big a drop of the ball they made with ME3.

[Ithurael]

Not to get too off topic here, but I have a funny feeling the bioware staff, developers, and what remains of their leadership knows how badly they screwed up with ME3.

 

And while I don't entirely agree with you I will say that as of now I haven't bought any bioware products since leviathan DLC. And have been very skeptical of them and EA products since ME3. You can yell and scream all you want but if you don't buy their products that will be the most noticeable thing you can do.

 

These days though I don't have as much money to spend so when I don't spend it on bills, protein shakes, weight gainer, creatine, human food or cat food I usually am given the option to spend on games or alcohol.

 

Though, these days game time is reducing down due to the amount of time I spend working or working on work.

 

All I can say on that is that it sucks growing up...Like srsly.

 

Back to the post. We sent them cupcakes, we sent them m&ms, there were petitions, polls, and many many reviews of the ending that were sent to them. I think even now bioware knows what went wrong with ME3 (regardless what Walters says).

 

In the end, Bioware will do what they want to do. You can buy their products or not. You can provide feedback or not. They won't really listen to us. I am sure they will take some things into account. But when it comes to their IPs and the stories in those IPs. Ya, that is their property. They can and will do whatever they want. And if people keep buying their products they will see no real problem.

[Iakus]

 

Back to the post. We sent them cupcakes, we sent them m&ms, there were petitions, polls, and many many reviews of the ending that were sent to them. I think even now bioware knows what went wrong with ME3 (regardless what Walters says).

 

In the end, Bioware will do what they want to do. You can buy their products or not. You can provide feedback or not. They won't really listen to us. I am sure they will take some things into account. But when it comes to their IPs and the stories in those IPs. Ya, that is their property. They can and will do whatever they want. And if people keep buying their products they will see no real problem.

Sadly, I have to disagree.  I think they know that something went wrong with ME3.  But to this day I don't think they understand.  I still think they're convinced the problem lies with the audience not "getting it".  "There was no mistake, it still serves its purpose" as the Leviathan said.

 

But yeah, in the end they'll do whatever they want.  Make whatever claims that it's "our" story, or "your" character needed to bring people back.

 

But while I did get DAI, it wasn't until I spoiled myself on the ending.  And I hate that I had to do that.

[Ithurael]

Sadly, I have to disagree.  I think they know that something went wrong with ME3.  But to this day I don't think they understand.  I still think they're convinced the problem lies with the audience not "getting it".  "There was no mistake, it still serves its purpose" as the Leviathan said.

 

Well I like to think that Super Mac doesn't speak for Bioware...

[Drone223]

A reboot - no
 
An AU, that could be possible. Just a total fresh start. No shepard, new characters, and no reapers.
 
The possibilities could be endless.

May as well make a new franchise instead if they decide to go that route and it wouldn't sell very well. They aren't going to dismiss Shepards significance to the franchise either so AU won't be happening anytime soon.

[Ithurael]

We will see in the end.

 

My bet is still on a midquel or AU.

 

A sequel could happen, it would be difficult, but hey. They just need to slam the canon-hammer down and do what they want from there.

 

I would laugh if it was IT!

[God]

If I had to guess, it will be a sequel set within 1 to 10 years after the ending, given the look of some of the art.

 

They're still using the Avenger for example. Everyone knows that in games, new weapons are the rule after so long.

 

Look at Halo: Everyone says that the humans were losing because of inferior technology and less numbers. I say it was because they kept changing their weapon inventory service wide after every game (don't tell me about the lore behind this anyone, believe me I know it better than you do).

 

There have been 5 core games thus far, and in all 5, there was a different weapon system for every game.

[Drone223]

If I had to guess, it will be a sequel set within 1 to 10 years after the ending, given the look of some of the art.

They're still using the Avenger for example. Everyone knows that in games, new weapons are the rule after so long.

Look at Halo: Everyone says that the humans were losing because of inferior technology and less numbers. I say it was because they kept changing their weapon inventory service wide after every game (don't tell me about the lore behind this anyone, believe me I know it better than you do).

Nope its all go do with inferor technology and low numbers not the change of weapons used in game and the word of god (no pun intended) pretty much states this over and over again. The only reason why different weapons were used in the games is to make the game more interesting and because the dev's didn't think of making certain weapons at the time.

Changes in weapons used in the games has always been for gameplay reasons rather than lore. But this is for another discussion best not derail the tread any further.

[katamuro]

Lets not beat the dead horse again, Indoctrination theory is quite dead, the time to reveal it has passed a long time ago, making the next game using it would be one of the stupider possible things to do.

[KaiserShep]

We will see in the end.
 
My bet is still on a midquel or AU.
 
A sequel could happen, it would be difficult, but hey. They just need to slam the canon-hammer down and do what they want from there.
 
I would laugh if it was IT!

By Athame's g-string, I dunno what to think if they did this. I would hate it, but I'd probably laugh too. It'd be like Mass Effect's final flipping of the bird.

[katamuro]

If I had to guess, it will be a sequel set within 1 to 10 years after the ending, given the look of some of the art.

 

They're still using the Avenger for example. Everyone knows that in games, new weapons are the rule after so long.

 

Look at Halo: Everyone says that the humans were losing because of inferior technology and less numbers. I say it was because they kept changing their weapon inventory service wide after every game (don't tell me about the lore behind this anyone, believe me I know it better than you do).

 

There have been 5 core games thus far, and in all 5, there was a different weapon system for every game.

 

A possibility is there that the weapon simply looks like Avenger, it could be a replica, or just some early art. I just really hope its not a prequel or midquel, even while it might be interesting going down that path after what was left by the ME3 would be wrong on so many levels. Plus if they do it it would be impossible to separate it from the previous games, after all we already know what is going to happen by 2186. 

Another possibility is that they are actually going to reboot the ME universe, or create an alternate one. Hence the Avenger, N7 and Mako-like thing. They could be just making the ME game that tried to make all those years ago but did not have the funds, time or ability to do. That wouldn't be so bad but it would leave the whole mess up in the air still.

[KaiserShep]

I need the mattock to continue to exist.

[Lavros]

I've never considered a reboot to the series as a possibility before. It would be interesting, but all I would prefer from that route would be to keep the story the same but have a cohesive game play style throughout the trilogy. Obviously that is not feasible.

 

In regards to having a prequel or sequel to the series, I would choose a sequel. I think the story should progress and I really just don't care for prequels in the slightest. I would prefer to see the story to be based shortly after the events of ME3. What happens to galaxy afterwards is something that really interests me and just passing that event over as a "legend of the past" feels more like a cop-out than the proper way to handle the story.

[katamuro]

I think reboot would be as much of a mistake as a prequel or midquel. Fascinating but only if they both expand the game and modify the Reapers a bit. Make them less ultimate. First of all if they dont throw reapers into the mix of the reboot then it would be something completely different. A different universe with ME elements. 

 

I feel personally that the best choice for them would be to adopt some kind of dark age that leads to the loss of information and possibly technological advancement. 

[RVallant]

I've never considered a reboot to the series as a possibility before. It would be interesting, but all I would prefer from that route would be to keep the story the same but have a cohesive game play style throughout the trilogy. Obviously that is not feasible.

 

In regards to having a prequel or sequel to the series, I would choose a sequel. I think the story should progress and I really just don't care for prequels in the slightest. I would prefer to see the story to be based shortly after the events of ME3. What happens to galaxy afterwards is something that really interests me and just passing that event over as a "legend of the past" feels more like a cop-out than the proper way to handle the story.

 

 

This, a prequel isn't useful to anyone and has far too much potential of being ripped up as a 'Well if they did this they shoulda done this and known about the Reapers and wahh wahh"

 

Current ME1-3 timeline would also suffer the same problems.

 

Honestly 4 should be a sequel, far away enough to keep things fresh but not so far that we can't see the fruits or the progress of our labour over the trilogy. But then, I've heard nothing about importing a world state so?

[Lee T]

I think a prequel has a lot of story opportunities. Of course we know the broad strokes of past ME history but not the who, what, how, why, when. Bioware stories are about people and we don't know them.

The only way I can see them doing a sequel is this way :

A sequel could happen, it would be difficult, but hey. They just need to slam the canon-hammer down and do what they want from there.

Which would be very ironic as it would make the end of ME3 even more trivial as it is.

[KaiserShep]

You just know that regardless of its place in the timeline, they'd still cram technology that's more advanced than what we got in the previous games, because no one wants to regress technologically in a scifi universe.

[shepskisaac]

Except in a true sequel they could not have quarians, geth, or krogan appear in any significant role. 

Which is why I think the "Ark" scenario is very likely, it gives them a bail card without rebooting the universe or railroading every single ME3 ending scenario into same outcome at the start of ME4. Maybe it's something else, but haven't seen any theory as plausible as the ark one yet. People mentioned Star Trek 2009-style time travel reboot, which would work just as well, but I'm having major doubt they would lift such major thing from Star Trek.

[Drone223]

Which is why I think the "Ark" scenario is very likely, it gives them a bail card without rebooting the universe or railroading every single ME3 ending scenario into same outcome at the start of ME4. Maybe it's something else, but haven't seen any theory as plausible as the ark one yet. People mentioned Star Trek 2009-style time travel reboot, which would work just as well, but I'm having major doubt they would lift such major thing from Star Trek.

May as well start a new franchise if they leave the Mikly way forever and never return, not to mention it readers the whole point of saving it in e first place pointless.

[Iakus]

Which is why I think the "Ark" scenario is very likely, it gives them a bail card without rebooting the universe or railroading every single ME3 ending scenario into same outcome at the start of ME4. Maybe it's something else, but haven't seen any theory as plausible as the ark one yet. People mentioned Star Trek 2009-style time travel reboot, which would work just as well, but I'm having major doubt they would lift such major thing from Star Trek.

If they do go with an Ark scenerio, they will essentially be throwing up their hands and admitting they borked the setting so bad there's no salvaging it.

 

And while a reboot a remote possibility at some point, I think people are more predicting an AU.  Same setting, minus Shepard and the Reapers.  Or the war happened, but they are deliberately vague about what happened to the point where none of the endings really happened.  Reapers lost, we won, never speak of it again, move along, nothing to see here...

[Mcfly616]

Ark theory won't happen. Atleast not the way people are proposing it. We're not going to be leaving the Milky Way. 

[shepskisaac]

If they do go with an Ark scenerio, they will essentially be throwing up their hands and admitting they borked the setting so bad there's no salvaging it.

 

And while a reboot a remote possibility at some point, I think people are more predicting an AU.  Same setting, minus Shepard and the Reapers.  Or the war happened, but they are deliberately vague about what happened to the point where none of the endings really happened.  Reapers lost, we won, never speak of it again, move along, nothing to see here...

Yes but how is a reboot or an AU different? Just as much throwing up their hands and escaping from ME3 ending issues if not more. At least the ark solution doesn't throw out continuity completly, same as Star Trek 2009 allows them to do whatever they want while keeping the old stuff fully canon.

 

 

Ark theory won't happen. Atleast not the way people are proposing it. We're not going to be leaving the Milky Way. 

But if the franchise stays withing the Milky Way it will have to actively avoid going to any location from previous 3 games, as each could be influenced by the endings in significant way (green people/plants being the most obvious problem). If we're not gonna see any place we've seen in previous games, then it will feel like completly different galaxy anyway lol. May as well actually move to a different galaxy

[Vazgen]

Yes but how is a reboot or an AU different? Just as much throwing up their hands and escaping from ME3 ending issues if not more. At least the ark solution doesn't throw out continuity completly, same as Star Trek 2009 allows them to do whatever they want while keeping the old stuff fully canon.

 

 

But if the franchise stays withing the Milky Way it will have to actively avoid going to any location from previous 3 games, as each could be influenced by the endings in significant way (green people/plants being the most obvious problem). If we're not gonna see any place we've seen in previous games, then it will feel like completly different galaxy anyway lol. May as well actually move to a different galaxy

You can avoid visiting Citadel in ME2. Does it feel like a completely different galaxy?

[shepskisaac]

You can avoid visiting Citadel in ME2. Does it feel like a completely different galaxy?

We visit major Asari hubs, major Omega hub, human colonies etc. And we're back to Citadel right away in next game. All of which would have to be avoided not just in ME4, but in ME5, ME6 etc. We would not be able to go to a "amazing Salarian space station that haven't been shown before" because this space station would still fall under "known space" criteria and be influenced by the endings.

[Vazgen]

We visit major Asari hubs, major Omega hub, human colonies etc. And we're back to Citadel right away in next game. All of which would have to be avoided not just in ME4, but in ME5, ME6 etc. We would not be able to go to a "amazing Salarian space station that haven't been shown before" because this space station would still fall under "known space" criteria and be influenced by the endings.

Not necessarily. We can still be able to visit major population centers of ME races without having to address the endings. Just have a region of Milky Way locked away from the trilogy places by a damaged key relay. The wave doesn't get there and you can't visit the places from the trilogy. We can still see the salarians, krogan, turians etc. New galaxy would not allow it.