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[SporkFu]

Apologies if this isn't the right forum for this, but I kinda think it might be. Also, here there be spoilers, but little ones.

I'm not overly familiar with history in the DA 'verse. I'm terrible for not keeping up on codex entries, etc. And the timeline? Fuggedaboutit.

In my current game, I'm wandering through the Forbidden Oasis, and just opened the big main door of the Temple of Pride.

Now, you need shards to do this quest, and you find shards scattered all over Thedas. Shards are only revealed when seen through an Ocularum.

I found a building in Redcliffe, with shelves of Ocularum skulls, and a book which tells you that Ocularum are made from the skulls of tranquil mages.

Inside the Temple of Pride, there is one of Solas' ancient elven artifacts to stabilize the veil, so you have to kinda figure the Temple has been around for awhile, so my question is... With the way all of these things are connected, how far back does the Rite of Tranquility go? I'm guessing it'd be around the time of Andraste, and does that predate those ancient elven veil artifacts?

[SporkFu]

Ah, I hadn't considered that there might be other ways of locating the shards. When I read about the tranquil connection to the oculari, and logically to the shards, it got me thinking about that tranquil you meet in Ostagar, if not playing a mage origin, and he explains about runes, etc.

I kinda connected it all together and it didn't seem to fit.

[Ranadiel Marius]

This is entirely an off the cuff theory, but I might have an explanation for the how and why on Oculari/shards. So if I am remembering th book right, the method of making the skulls is to force a demon to possess a tranquil and then kill them quickly after that. Essentially what you have there is a being entirely of the fade and a being entirely of the physical world (since tranquil are cut off from the fade) coexisting in a single body at the moment of death.

 

Now to step back a moment, there some hints and theories out there that the Veil used to not separate the Fade and physical world. If those theories are in fact true....I would posit that the shards are not effected by the Veil and exist in both places at once. Therefore you need to look at them with eyes on both realms at once in order to see them. The ritual used to create the skulls binding the sight of both creatures to the skull so that others can see in both realms at once.

 

Of course this leaves open the question of why exactly the shards are immune to the Veil, but I think the concept does work out.

[Ranadiel Marius]

It also makes me wonder why a mage couldn't see them because they are both in the real world and tied to the Fade as well. Or for that matter someone like Cassandra who can use her powers to re-enforce the real world but also has been touched by a spirit of faith.

Well if we are going with my theory two posts up, I would say that the reason is you need to be seeing in both simultaneously. A mage can see in both but only one at a time. So the time frame for killing the tranquil would be the length of time for the demon to stop seeing in the fade and start seeing through the tranquil's eyes. So you need to see two extreme versions of the world at the same time. Now to take the theory one step further, it might be possible that Solas can see them on his own since (as Cole puts it) Solas is in both places at once...

Although I admit at this point I am going entirely without any evidence that I can think of and more off of gut instinct.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Read the Codex.

According to the Venatori, until recently, the shards were pretty much invisible and had lain hidden for centuries*.

They shards are now visible (it's never explained why), but almost impossible to find without oculara.


*Even though some of the loot therein includes the personal facepaint of DA2's Arishok.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Read the Codex.

According to the Venatori, until recently, the shards were pretty much invisible and had lain hidden for centuries*.

They shards are now visible (it's never explained why), but almost impossible to find without oculara.


*Even though some of the loot therein includes the personal facepaint of DA2's Arishok.

I actually have a theory regarding why they are now visible. Whatever was sealed inside the temple has awoken and is now wandering the country side destroying part of the wardings in the escape.

[Kantr]

I actually have a theory regarding why they are now visible. Whatever was sealed inside the temple has awoken and is now wandering the country side destroying part of the wardings in the escape.

Thats not a great theory. It might be more related to the breach and all the magic that flooded into the world.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Thats not a great theory. It might be more related to the breach and all the magic that flooded into the world.

I'm working under the assumption that they have been researching the shards for more than a couple of days at the start of the game considering the extent of the skulls and research into how to make them which puts the shards being visible before the breech.

Plus if I am right on what was sealed there, then we know it was wandering around before the Breech.

Spoiler

My money is on Solas being sealed there after creating the Veil.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

"The Rift did it" is the new "Magic did it".