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[line_genrou]

I like both Witcher and DA games (except DAI, I HATE DAI).  It shouldn't be one or the other if you like variety.  Both had different styles.  If you don't like Witcher because of how women are portrayed and the sex, etc, then GREAT, don't play it. DA has already been ruined by the dumb feminists, etc, and Witchers strong sales show many want those things and I'm glad they are saying "F%$% you" to the feminists, etc.  

 

As for the fetching, fetch quests in Witcher generally involve NPCs and have cutscenes, etc. As long as they don't pull a DAI where 90% of the game is finding a stupid letter, fetching something and dropping it off at a grave, then it'll be a huge + over DAI.  

 

My concern with Witcher 3 though is that the game is said to be like 35 times larger than the last one. Which means maybe it is mostly filler content. People need to speak up on wanting quality vs quantity. Witcher games have been very story driven.  I can't see having great story and content 35 times larger, they couldn't budget that.  If game time is the same or slightly more then the previous games, and not just a bunch of cut and paste fetch quests, then this game might have taken a turn for the worse too.  

 

I'll probably not preorder and wait for reviews after the first month or 2.  

I'm a woman and I like both

does that mean I'm a feminist or a hybrid? WHAT AM I??!!

[Rawgrim]

GoG keeps them afloat, I think. I honestly don't think the sales from The Witcher games alone can cover up the development costs, unless salaries for devs are much lower in Poland? They sell about on par with Bioware games, without the EA money machine and DLCs to back them up. It's really like Valve, they can afford to sell cheap games and very generous Free to Play titles because Steam is a money printer. Bioware does not have the same luxury.

 

They even give away The Witcher 1 and 2 for free sometimes too, on GoG.

[line_genrou]

Alright, so does that mean we can expect meaningful and reasonably interactive quests in your game? Yes? OK, I'll hold you to that promise then. But you better fulfill it because you've just signed yourself into a "do or get ripped apart by fans" situation. You better.

 

It always makes me wonder why developers make this type of silly comments and paint targets on their heads. Why can't you just do something right and then follow up with whatever "we care" PR line you want to throw at us? "DA:I, made for PC gamers by PC gamers" "No fetch quests in our game like that other game".

 

Show, don't spout. Getting tired of this nonsense. 

I think he meant there's TOO MANY fetch quests in DAI. Not that his game is not gonna have any fetch quest.

[line_genrou]

I had to restart the whole game due to a bug. 25 hours down the drain. 50 hours into the new playthrough and I am stuck again due to a different gamebreaking bug. Tried 11 times to get through it. No luck. Unable to play the game since December. There were several topics about the bug on the DA facebook page. I started a few on the subject too. 4-5 times, in fact. To see if anyone had a workaround for it, and to let Bioware know about it so it could be fixed in a patch.

 

Know what happened? The topics got deleted within an hour. Let that bit of customer-service sink in. Its stunning. Make sure nobody hears about any gamebreaking bug.

EA.

[Persephone]

I had to restart the whole game due to a bug. 25 hours down the drain. 50 hours into the new playthrough and I am stuck again due to a different gamebreaking bug. Tried 11 times to get through it. No luck. Unable to play the game since December. There were several topics about the bug on the DA facebook page. I started a few on the subject too. 4-5 times, in fact. To see if anyone had a workaround for it, and to let Bioware know about it so it could be fixed in a patch.

 

Know what happened? The topics got deleted within an hour. Let that bit of customer-service sink in. Its stunning. Make sure nobody hears about any gamebreaking bug.

 

Okay, what were these two game breaking bugs you encountered? They better be game breaking though, as in: prevented you from playing/finishing the game.

And how convenient that you have no evidence to point to because your topics got deleted mysteriously.

 

And if "deleting" reports of severe bugs was a thing BioWare actually did, you'd think they'd be a bit more thorough about it, but ya know, they're out to get ya.

 

NVM that it would be stupid, as bug reports actually help when it comes to patching.

 

Also, three patches? I remember the first Witcher Game NEEDING an entire makeover ("Enhanced", lol) to actually work for a lot of folks.

 

And why does it matter what a Witcher Dev thinks? What authority do they have on RPGs after developing like.....2 games? Both of which missing the R in RPG because of their set protagonist with his very set in stone personality & relationships?

 

That's like.......asking a fan fic writer who lucked out with a story they did based on someone else's universe on how original fiction works.

 

(Which doesn't mean that the fan fic in question was bad, the Witcher Series is a great franchise)

[Precursor Meta]

It's like his response was going somewhere but decided not to go there.

[Rawgrim]

Okay, what were these two game breaking bugs you encountered? They better be game breaking though, as in: prevented you from playing/finishing the game.

And how convenient that you have no evidence to point to because your topics got deleted mysteriously.

 

And if "deleting" reports of severe bugs was a thing BioWare actually did, you'd think they'd be a bit more thorough about it, but ya know, they're out to get ya.

 

NVM that it would be stupid, as bug reports actually help when it comes to patching.

 

Also, three patches? I remember the first Witcher Game NEEDING an entire makeover ("Enhanced", lol) to actually work for a lot of folks.

 

And why does it matter what a Witcher Dev thinks? What authority do they have on RPGs after developing like.....2 games? Both of which missing the R in RPG because of its set protagonist?

 

That's like.......asking a fan fic writer who lucked out with a story they did based on someone else's universe on how original fiction works.

 

(Which doesn't mean that the fan fic in question was bad, the Witcher Series is a great franchise)

 

First one was the bug where conversations didn't continue. The game just "froze" during certain conversations. That one got fixed in a patch, actually. Plenty people reported that bug. It is probably in the notes for Patch 2 (I think it was) if you want to look.

 

Second one is a bug that occurs when you follow that harlequin assassin in Orlais. You run up to a balcony and a cutscene is supposed to play. Nothing happens. That one breaks the game, I am sure you can agree on that? Plenty others have encountered that one too. Actually a few other bugs during that quest too, in fact. I only encountered that one, though.

 

The topics didn't get deleted mysteriously. They got deleted because they might hurt sales. EA did the same thing when Fifa 15 came out. That game had a broken goalkeeper. The weaker your shot, the easier it was to score.

 

Bioware didn't delete the topics. EA did.

 

You seem to confuse the fact that EA wants as much money as possible for each product. They don't care if they deliver a good product. It is a greedy corporation. Nothing else. Their history backs it up.

 

The Witcher was made by a different company. And a brand new company at that. And what does this have to do with the bugs in DA:I? Is it ok for Toyota to sell a flawed car since SAAB has done so in the past? At least The Witcher developers listened to the customers and fixed whatever they could as quickly as possible. They didn't even milk the customers via microtransactions either.

 

You mean the same R that is missing in DA2, Mass Effect and DA:I?

[Beomer]

The feeling I get is that CD Projekt respects their PC gamers followers way more than Bioware do now. They still haven't forgotten that the PC community support built their company, that The Witcher 1 was PC exclusive and the feedback was important to make their second installment

 

This I could not agree with more. CD Projekt Red as a studio and CD Projekt as the publisher are both way ahead of BW as far as generating goodwill in the gaming community is concerned.

I mean hell they bought GOG and put a new life in it. TW2 was available for free some 3-4 months back, which is a pretty big deal considering it was the last big game the studio released.

And yes they do cater to the PC audience more but I'm thinking that BW's current attitude towards PC gamers is more a result of EA's decisions. Of course that stil does not explain the DAI PC UI, but I'm beyond caring now. Just bring me my Witcher 3 

[TurretSyndrome]

I think he meant there's TOO MANY fetch quests in DAI. Not that his game is not gonna have any fetch quest.

 

I don't believe I said anything about Witcher 3 being free of fetch quests. I was merely commenting on his criticism of DA:I's quests before his game has anything better to show. 

[line_genrou]

It's like his response was going somewhere but decided not to go there.

 

It seems obvious to me he was asked about it, tried to be polite and ethical

[pdusen]

Certainly, the dev has a valid opinion. Although, we'll see when TW3 comes out how much less fetch-questy that game really is.

[Rawgrim]

Certainly, the dev has a valid opinion. Although, we'll see when TW3 comes out how much less fetch-questy that game really is.

 

Very true. He obviously bought the game and played it, though. so he has a right to comment on the product the same way every other customer has. Bioware devs can do the same thing when they play The Witcher 3. I hope for his sake that The Witcher 3 doesn't end up being a crappy game.

[Beomer]

I'm betting Witcher 3 outsells DAI across all platforms. And on each platform individually too.

In which case there will be a lesson there for EA.

[Raoni Luna]

I never liked Witcher series, but I already love The Witcher 3 and will play it just because it became the "enemy" of Inquisition. Whatever attacks Inquisition, even if only in the minds of some small group of fans, is my weapon of choice. Pillars of Eternity however is the true hero to save us from Bioware.

[Gileadan]

The first Witcher is glorious (especially considering the whole development process) and a totally different flavor than DAO

I love both

 

The feeling I get is that CD Projekt respects their PC gamers followers way more than Bioware do now. They still haven't forgotten that the PC community support built their company, that The Witcher 1 was PC exclusive and the feedback was important to make their second installment

This.

 

When my TW2 CE came with a slightly nicked and scratched - i.e., just superficial damage as opposed to completely broken - they not only sent me a new one, completely free of charge and with express mail, but also a metal (as opposed to plastic) witcher's medallion on top of that to make up for the trouble.

 

Compare that to the customer service for those people who found broken plastic pieces in their inquisitior's edition. The difference could hardly be bigger.

[line_genrou]

Very true. He obviously bought the game and played it, though. so he has a right to comment on the product the same way every other customer has. Bioware devs can do the same thing when they play The Witcher 3. I hope for his sake that The Witcher 3 doesn't end up being a crappy game.

 Or maybe EA troll team will slam the game on forums *coughcough*

[Rawgrim]

 Or maybe EA troll team will slam the game on forums *coughcough*

 

 

Well if I buy the game, and it is broken and rotten, I will slam it myself.

[line_genrou]

I'm betting Witcher 3 outsells DAI across all platforms. And on each platform individually too.

In which case there will be a lesson there for EA.

I have a feeling DAI will become just a distant memory when W3 comes out

I like DAI, though, too bad it came out with so many problems, the complete lazy job for PC platform and how much we were lied to.

[pdusen]

Top marks on every review from every major gaming site too. None of them noticed any bugs at all. Odd that, since we are already on Patch 4 (is it?) with bug fixes.

 

Because most people either don't encounter the bugs or find them minor enough not to care.

 

You may not think so, but that's because you exist in the BSN echo chamber where everyone encounters all the same bugs as you and complains all day about them.

 

The truth is, the whole group of people on the internet who bother to write the text to complain about anything is still a pretty small minority.

[Al Foley]

I am actually curious to see if the Witcher can do any better.  Sinc they are going open world (ish) too.  

[Rawgrim]

Because most people either don't encounter the bugs or find them minor enough not to care.

 

You may not think so, but that's because you exist in the BSN echo chamber where everyone encounters all the same bugs as you and complains all day about them.

 

The truth is, the whole group of people on the internet who bother to write the text to complain about anything is still a pretty small minority.

 

The bugs got reported plenty on their facebook page. Not just here. Seen them plenty on gaming forums as well.

[line_genrou]

Because most people either don't encounter the bugs or find them minor enough not to care.

 

You may not think so, but that's because you exist in the BSN echo chamber where everyone encounters all the same bugs as you and complains all day about them.

 

The truth is, the whole group of people on the internet who bother to write the text to complain about anything is still a pretty small minority.

You should check the 500 pages of the PC Community Concerns thread

[pdusen]

The bugs got reported plenty on their facebook page. Not just here. Seen them plenty on gaming forums as well.

 

You should check the 500 pages of the PC Community Concerns thread

 

The truth is, the whole group of people on the internet who bother to write the text to complain about anything is still a pretty small minority.

[Persephone]

First one was the bug where conversations didn't continue. The game just "froze" during certain conversations. That one got fixed in a patch, actually. Plenty people reported that bug. It is probably in the notes for Patch 2 (I think it was) if you want to look.

 

Second one is a bug that occurs when you follow that harlequin assassin in Orlais. You run up to a balcony and a cutscene is supposed to play. Nothing happens. That one breaks the game, I am sure you can agree on that? Plenty others have encountered that one too. Actually a few other bugs during that quest too, in fact. I only encountered that one, though.

 

The topics didn't get deleted mysteriously. They got deleted because they might hurt sales. EA did the same thing when Fifa 15 came out. That game had a broken goalkeeper. The weaker your shot, the easier it was to score.

 

Bioware didn't delete the topics. EA did.

 

You seem to confuse the fact that EA wants as much money as possible for each product. They don't care if they deliver a good product. It is a greedy corporation. Nothing else. Their history backs it up.

 

The Witcher was made by a different company. And a brand new company at that. And what does this have to do with the bugs in DA:I? Is it ok for Toyota to sell a flawed car since SAAB has done so in the past? At least The Witcher developers listened to the customers and fixed whatever they could as quickly as possible. They didn't even milk the customers via microtransactions either.

 

You mean the same R that is missing in DA2, Mass Effect and DA:I?

 

Bolding mine.

 

Is that the one where pressing the number of the Answer you want to use on your keyboard or Alt/Tabbing out & back in fixed the problem? 'cause that isn't game breaking. It's annoying, yes, but not game game breaking. (I only play on PC, idk about consoles) Unless there was a more severe version of that bug out there that I never ran into.

 

The cutscene with Briala? Never ran into that bug. First time I've ever heard about tbh.

 

If they got deleted because they might hurt sales, it begs the question why EA/BioWare wasn't more thorough and why there has been no rage storm about deleted bug reports. No evidence, just supposition.

 

Any cooperation is greedy and wants as much profit as possible. Including CD Project Red who are owned by are larger mother ship as well. There's nothing especially aggravating about that because believing that any AAA studio is "doing it for the fans unlike...." (As CDPR loves to imply) is utterly naive. These people want a profit, want to stay in business and want to keep their jobs. Not caring about their product would work against that, hence the delays DAI got. Like 'em or not but not caring about delivering a product that works would put them out of business. DAI clearly hasn't, in fact, it has given them a boost in popularity, sales, awards and press recognition. All bought you say? Evidence, please, I say. 'cause I'm no EA fan but I do find it most absurd to see people lap up reviews if they agree with them, only to call them bought/clueless if they don't agree with them. 'cause the same folks shrieking how DAI never earned the praise, awards, record breaking launch & sales will be swooning over every award, perfect score & great sales report CDPR will yap about in due time. It's so predictable, it's almost sad.

 

CDPR isn't brand new. They've been around for almost a decade (TW1 was released in 2007, in a very broken state btw. I loved that series before it was cool to do so).

 

Will I ever see the day when a buggy piece of software (Aggravating, esp. since not everyone experiences the same issues) isn't likened to a badly designed/flawed car (Possibly life threatening. But hey, that's the SAME!)? No? Didn't think so.

 

Microtransactions are optional. As in: They can not be bought.

 

NVM that TW2's free DLC were just as bad as free DLC usually are. (Unless the "Enhanced" aka patched/complete game counts as DLC......I hope not?)

 

Not the same R, no. Similar, but not the same. Were it the same, you'd get your Shepard being in a relationship with Liara instead of Ashley after importing into ME2 because.....a codex has the answer. NVM that in the games you mentioned, you're not forced to play as white, straight grizzled dude Nr. 56988 with magic powers who gets all the chicks. (Without any consequences whatsoever) Shepard, Hawke and the various people who can be the Quizzy have a LOT more RP freedom than Geralt Of Rivia. I like Geralt Of Rivia. A lot. But he's not MY character. (Even being given a CHARGEN would've helped tbh, even a limited one) Whereas my Shepard, Hawke & various Inquisitors were created by me. Are there story limitations? Sure? But that's always the case.

 

Also, why not include DAO? (NVM, I know why, that game is sacrosanct)

To make a long story short: You asked me what this has to do with DAI's bugs. Nothing much. Which is why I ask again why the opinion of a Witcher Dev should matter. 'cause it doesn't. Their condescending attitude only makes me less inclined to swallow their sexist, racist, homophobic "deep storytelling".

[Rawgrim]

 

 

Indeed. Most people would rather close their eyes, open their mouths wide, and suck hard on anything placed in their mouths, and just push aside any critical thought.