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I'm betting Witcher 3 outsells DAI across all platforms. And on each platform individually too.

In which case there will be a lesson there for EA.

 

And that's a bet you're bound to lose. Witcher 3 is gonna be a fab game, no doubt. But it's not gonna outsell DAI.

 

(I'll eat some serving of crow if it does though, I'm not above that)



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CDPR isn't brand new. They've been around for almost a decade (TW1 was released in 2007, in a very broken state btw. I loved that series before it was cool to do so).

 

 

How cool of you



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How cool of you

 

Context. It matters.

 

Or, to quote Varric: Point. Missing it.



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I was never interested in TW because I don't like the idea of being stuck with this guy that I can't customize. Not to mention that I just don't like to play as a guy. But I've read that a lot of this game's sidequests actually have consequences, and can open new opportunities while closing others. Not sure if true or not, but that's something that I always wanted to see in DA. Actual consequences to my choices.

 

And I've watched a video from TW3 where you can see this huge, fully detailed town with NPCs that actually look like people, have a life of their own and react to their surroundings, something that doesn't exist in DA. That also caught my interest. One of the things that bothers me about DAI is the empty worlds and static NPCs. Redcliffe village looks like a statue village. And funny thing is, even though the NPCs all stay in one place and the village is not that big to begin with, my game stills lags like crazy every time I go there.


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Bolding mine.

 

Is that the one where pressing the number of the Answer you want to use on your keyboard or Alt/Tabbing out & back in fixed the problem? 'cause that isn't game breaking. It's annoying, yes, but not game game breaking. (I only play on PC, idk about consoles) Unless there was a more severe version of that bug out there that I never ran into.

 

The cutscene with Briala? Never ran into that. First time I've ever heard about tbh.

 

If they got deleted because they might hurt sales, it begs the question why EA/BioWare wasn't more thorough and why there has been no rage storm about deleted bug reports. No evidence, just supposition.

 

Any cooperation is greedy and wants as much profit as possible. Including CD Project Red who are owned by are larger mother ship as well. There's nothing especially aggravating about that because believing that any AAA studio is "doing it for the fans unlike...." (As CDPR loves to imply) is utterly naive. These people want a profit, want to stay in business and want to keep their jobs. Not caring about their product would work against that, hence the delays DAI got. Like 'em or not but not caring about delivering a product that works would put them out of business. DAI clearly hasn't, in fact, it has given them a boost in popularity, sales, awards and press recognition. All bought you say? Evidence, please, I say. 'cause I'm no EA fan but I do find it most absurd to see people lap up reviews if they agree with them, only to call them bought/clueless if they don't agree with them. 'cause the same folks shrieking how DAI never earned the praise, awards, record breaking launch & sales will be swooning over every award, perfect score & great sales report CDPR will yap about in due time. It's so predictable, it's almost sad.

 

CDPR isn't brand new. They've been around for almost a decade (TW1 was released in 2007, in a very broken state btw. I loved that series before it was cool to do so).

 

Will I ever see the day when a buggy piece of software (Aggravating, esp. since not everyone experiences the same issues) isn't likened to a badly designed/flawed car (Possibly life threatening. But hey, that's the SAME!)? No? Didn't think so.

 

Microtransactions are optional. As in: They can not be bought.

 

NVM that TW2's free DLC were just as bad as free DLC usually are. (Unless the "Enhanced" aka patched/complete game counts as DLC......I hope not?)

 

Not the same R, no. Similar, but not the same. Were it the same, you'd get your Shepard being in a relationship with Liara instead of Ashley after importing into ME2 because.....a codex has the answer. NVM that in the games you mentioned, you're not forced to play as white, straight grizzled dude Nr. 56988 with magic powers who gets all the chicks. (Without any consequences whatsoever) Shepard, Hawke and the various people who can be the Quizzy have a LOT more RP freedom than Geralt Of Rivia. I like Geralt Of Rivia. A lot. But he's not MY character. (Even being given a CHARGEN would've helped tbh, even a limited one) Whereas my Shepard, Hawke & various Inquisitors were created by me. Are there story limitations? Sure? But that's always the case.

 

Also, why not include DAO? (NVM, I know why, that game is sacrosanct)

To make a long story short: You asked me what this has to do with DAI's bugs. Nothing much. Which is why I ask again why the opinion of a Witcher Dev should matter. 'cause it doesn't. Their condescending attitude only makes me less inclined to swallow their sexist, racist, homophobic "deep storytelling".

 

Alt tabbing doesn't work on the Xbox One. I had to actually pull out the power plug when that conversation bug kept hitting.

 

Heard about that bug plenty. I even started a thread about it in December, and plenty chimed in and mentioned they had the same problem, and others.

 

EA wanted the December sales. Simple logic there. Hide the bugs and fix most of them later, after money has been made.

 

Look at the reviews from gamers, and on metacritic and Amazon. At least half of them are negative. Poor gameplay, bugs, shallow story etc. Very odd that none of the reviewers mentioned anything like this at all. Must be a professional thing then, to not notice things like this.

 

CDPR was "brand new" when they started The Witcher series. That was what I meant. I know they aren't brand new right now.

 

Take ME3, for example. One of the DLCs in that one has to do with a live Prothean. That bit isn't optional. that is arguably the biggest historical event in the ME universe happening right there. The information that fellow gives you is pretty vital.

The same goes for the DLC in DA2, that introduces Corypheus. Pretty vital to DA:I, storywise.

 

The witcher DLCs were as bad as the Deast Day gifts and the Darkspawn Chronicles? I doubt that.

 

Not arguing the fact that we don't get to play our own character in the witcher game. Truth be told I would have preffered if we could make our own whitcher. Those games are based on the books, though, so I can understand why we have to play as Geralt. Hawke is the same as Geralt. You have zero say in who he is. He is a premade character that you can decide the basic personality trait of. Nothing more. The same goes for Shepard. Given all the auto dialogue and whatever else, you aren't in control of the character either. Not completely. In DA:I my inquisitor actually promoted a templar out of the blue. I had no say in the matter at all. It also made my character giggle like a schoolgirl when he spoke to Cassandra. No say in that either.Ruined my character, actually. Or rather the illusion of the Inquisitor being my character.

 

Their sexism and whatever else falls on the shoulders of the guy who wrote the books. They are adapting his world to the gaming screen. If the setting isn't politically correct to begin with, it would just be lame if it got turned into PC just because they might lose a sale or two because of it. Not sure where you got "homophobic" from the Witcher games though? Geralt is straight. simple as that. So is Indiana Jones.


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Their sexism and whatever else falls on the shoulders of the guy who wrote the books. They are adapting his world to the gaming screen. If the setting isn't politically correct to begin with, it would just be lame if it got turned into PC just because they might lose a sale or two because of it. Not sure where you got "homophobic" from the Witcher games though? Geralt is straight. simple as that. So is Indiana Jones.

 

People just throw mud at Witcher and hope it sticks. This forum is full of people that pretend that they played Witcher. WTH people!?

Its like that women who bashed Mass Effect on TV for supposed nudity and lesbian scenes and then later admitted that she never played game nor saw scenes.
Or people who call Ashley Williams racist or xenophobic or whatnot. SJW in their full glory.
 


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People just throw mud at Witcher and hope it sticks. This forum is full of people that pretend that they played Witcher. WTH people!?

Its like that women who bashed Mass Effect on TV for supposed nudity and lesbian scenes and then later admitted that she never played game nor saw scenes.
Or people who call Ashley Williams racist or xenophobic or whatnot. SJW in their full glory.
 

 

Ashley was a bit xenophibic, actually. But big deal. Some people are. Even if it made me dislike her, it still added to the character. She had flaws.


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I bet when he said DAI is good his bodylanguage gave up sarcastic signals.

Cant wait for WItcher 3. The game looks amazing and clearly made with passion (something, that DAI lacks)


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Alt tabbing doesn't work on the Xbox One. I had to actually pull out the power plug when that conversation bug kept hitting.

 

Heard about that bug plenty. I even started a thread about it in December, and plenty chimed in and mentioned they had the same problem, and others.

 

EA wanted the December sales. Simple logic there. Hide the bugs and fix most of them later, after money has been made.

 

Look at the reviews from gamers, and on metacritic and Amazon. At least half of them are negative. Poor gameplay, bugs, shallow story etc. Very odd that none of the reviewers mentioned anything like this at all. Must be a professional thing then, to not notice things like this.

 

CDPR was "brand new" when they started The Witcher series. That was what I meant. I know they aren't brand new right now.

 

Take ME3, for example. One of the DLCs in that one has to do with a live Prothean. That bit isn't optional. that is arguably the biggest historical event in the ME universe happening right there. The information that fellow gives you is pretty vital.

The same goes for the DLC in DA2, that introduces Corypheus. Pretty vital to DA:I, storywise.

 

The witcher DLCs were as bad as the Deast Day gifts and the Darkspawn Chronicles? I doubt that.

 

Not arguing the fact that we don't get to play our own character in the witcher game. Truth be told I would have preffered if we could make our own whitcher. Those games are based on the books, though, so I can understand why we have to play as Geralt. Hawke is the same as Geralt. You have zero say in who he is. He is a premade character that you can decide the basic personality trait of. Nothing more. The same goes for Shepard. Given all the auto dialogue and whatever else, you aren't in control of the character either. Not completely. In DA:I my inquisitor actually promoted a templar out of the blue. I had no say in the matter at all. It also made my character giggle like a schoolgirl when he spoke to Cassandra. No say in that either.Ruined my character, actually. Or rather the illusion of the Inquisitor being my character.

 

Their sexism and whatever else falls on the shoulders of the guy who wrote the books. They are adapting his world to the gaming screen. If the setting isn't politically correct to begin with, it would just be lame if it got turned into PC just because they might lose a sale or two because of it. Not sure where you got "homophobic" from the Witcher games though? Geralt is straight. simple as that. So is Indiana Jones.

 

Bolding mine.

 

Point taken, that reeeeeeeally sucks.

 

Again, suppositions and assumptions with no proof whatsoever to back them up. But we are going in circles on that one, so let's just drop that one.

 

Gamer reviews on Metacritic, Amazon & YT? Are you kidding me? Those cesspools filled with trolls crying about "too much gay" and "too much PC and too much feminisim" in the game? Nah, I really don't buy any of that. I trust......my own opinion. And I bought DAI, played it and enjoyed the story, gameplay and didn't run into many bugs. (Same thing with DAO......where I could see past the horrid, clunky combat system, the stretched padding dungeons ala DR and the Fade, the cliche story...) So why should the opinions of (biased) strangers on the Internet matter to me? I could point you to plenty of gamer/LPer reviews raving about DAI. But what's the point, really? We both have our opinions and that's good.

 

I hear ya on that. Apparently they learned from that as there was no Day 1 DLC for DAI and tbh.......From Ashes (Though it was included in my CE) pissed me off, but DAI did a pretty good job with Cory even if you didn't play Legacy. (The majority did play/YT it)

 

Yeah. Yeah they were.

 

They're not the same. I have already explained why.

 

As for things like that "ruining" your character.....how DO you play Geralt without cringing then?

 

As for them being homophobic......Lesbomancy, including lesbians for the male gaze, total erasure of anything but straight, cis characters otherwise......but I really don't want to write a dissertation on why CDPR's "deep storytelling" fits into a thimble when it comes to inclusivity. Even they seem to have caught up on that after almost a decade, given that you'll get to play as Ciri for a bit TW3.

 

To make a long story short: There's much to criticize about both franchises and both companies. Which matters more to you is based on your own opinion as neither is Satan/the Second Coming Of Christ.

 

It's cool these days to hate on BioWare and worship CDPR. I remember the years when BioWare was everyone's CDPR. Such love never lasts and no company can keep it forever.


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People just throw mud at Witcher and hope it sticks. This forum is full of people that pretend that they played Witcher. WTH people!?

Its like that women who bashed Mass Effect on TV for supposed nudity and lesbian scenes and then later admitted that she never played game nor saw scenes.
Or people who call Ashley Williams racist or xenophobic or whatnot. SJW in their full glory.
 

 

LOL what?

I played both games several times over the years.

 

What, people who criticize your RPG messiah are all just "pretenders" who never played the games? Ooooookay.

 

Actually, SJWs defend Ashley against such attacks, but whatever.

 

(Also, she was no more xenophobic than Garrus or Wrex. Actually, far less so)



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In my opinion Skyrim: Inquisition is the worst game BioWare have ever made. 



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true otherwise I don't get how DA I won sooo many awards

. I still dont understand why pepole like you are here really, "I hate DAI so thats why I should post 374738388 threads about it" if you hate it then go. Go and wait to the Witcher 3. Oh and btw, somone who hates somthing usually dont have his forum pic as that, its like I will go and say I hate Katy Perry and have tons of shirts of her and a lot of pics of her in my room.

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Ohh I don't love CDPR. I like how they treat their customers, as opposed to how EA does it. I consider DA:O a much better game than the two witcher games.

 

Its not hating on Bioware. Bioware is gone. The ones that made the classic Bioware games left after EA took over. They are out there making cool kickstarter games etc now.


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. I still dont understand why pepole like you are here really, "I hate DAI so thats why I should post 374738388 threads about it" if you hate it then go. Go and wait to the Witcher 3. Oh and btw, somone who hates somthing usually dont have his forum pic as that, its like I will go and say I hate Katy Perry and have tons of shirts of her and a lot of pics of her in my room.

 

A question for the ages indeed.

 

Honestly, why not post all that CDPR/Witcher fawning/idolizing where the CDPR devs can see and appreciate it, lmao?



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So is playing Ciri going to be like playing Catwoman in Arkham City, or will it be more confined?

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. I still dont understand why pepole like you are here really, "I hate DAI so thats why I should post 374738388 threads about it" if you hate it then go. Go and wait to the Witcher 3. Oh and btw, somone who hates somthing usually dont have his forum pic as that, its like I will go and say I hate Katy Perry and have tons of shirts of her and a lot of pics of her in my room.

because some of us actually love DA and after DA:I our hearts are broken, stumped on and ripped into shreds


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Ashley was a bit xenophibic, actually. But big deal. Some people are. Even if it made me dislike her, it still added to the character. She had flaws.


I think that this this is the disconnect with some people. They fail to realise that you can make racist/sexist characters or even a racist/sexist/oppressive world without supporting any of that yourself. The Witcher universe is oppressive and racist and a miserable place to live in. Intentionally so, as it's based on the real middle ages (with added fantasy elements of course.) Bioware went a different path, adding more modern day viewpoints and making a more egalitarian world. It's still oppressive, but generally only to groups tbat don't exist in the real world such as mages and other species. I can appreciate both. Some can't.
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Ohh I don't love CDPR. I like how they treat their customers, as opposed to how EA does it. I consider DA:O a much better game than the two witcher games.

 

Its not hating on Bioware. Bioware is gone. The ones that made the classic Bioware games left after EA took over. They are out there making cool kickstarter games etc now.

 

Bolding mine.

 

Melodramatic. Also highly inaccurate. (FYI EA published both Mass Effect AND Dragon Age Origins)



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So is playing Ciri going to be like playing Catwoman in Arkham City, or will it be more confined?


Like Catwoman. They said you play her for maybe an hour or so at a time and then revert back to Geralt.

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Btw those who seeking for amazing RPG experience in 2015, also look after Enderal. This game will undoubtly surprise many:

 



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because some of us actually love DA and after DA:I our hearts are broken, stumped on and ripped into shreds

 

You know what, I think with you lot, that would have been the case no matter what game BioWare delivered.


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Bolding mine.

 

Melodramatic. Also highly inaccurate. (FYI EA published both Mass Effect AND Dragon Age Origins)

 

Yes, and both of them were almost done when EA took over. They didn't influence the development for those games.


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I think that this this is the disconnect with some people. They fail to realise that you can make racist/sexist characters or even a racist/sexist/oppressive world without supporting any of that yourself. The Witcher universe is oppressive and racist and a miserable place to live in. Intentionally so, as it's based on the real middle ages (with added fantasy elements of course.) Bioware went a different path, adding more modern day viewpoints and making a more egalitarian world. It's still oppressive, but generally only to groups tbat don't exist in the real world such as mages and other species. I can appreciate both. Some can't.

 

Exactly.



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As the vast majority of such quests are optional, I have no problems at all with more content. I select the ones that apply to that Inq, and can pass on the rest. As there are many ways to gain XP, I enjoy having multiple options to evolve.

As for TW3, while I may have to pass again for my personal reasons, I wish CP and the rest of his team much success. And there is always that Bioware poker game....

:D

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I'm actually surprised there's a rivalry between The Witcher and Dragon Age.