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i don't see any other reason. DAO is pretty much glitch free (and it did have some big bugs when launched), except for the exploits, DA2 as well. It's pretty easy to patch that, they just didn't bother because no one complains about it. 

 

Unless you programmed the game, you can't say it would have been an easy fix. We really have no idea about whether it was or not. Just because something looks simple from the players point of view, doesn't mean it's that simple behind the scenes in code.



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A little shameless cross thread bump.
I've been championing this since within the HOUR of the patch notes
HUNDREDS of responses and not a single reply from the dev team.
They either don't care or have been told not to respond and I suspect the latter considering their vocal intentions to be more active within the Bioware community

http://forum.bioware...le-player-mode/

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Get it trending on the BW Twitter and maybe they will address it. BW doesn't really care about the forum and Twitter is how they gauge how much people care.
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A little shameless cross thread bump.
I've been championing this since within the HOUR of the patch notes
HUNDREDS of responses and not a single reply from the dev team.
They either don't care or have been told not to respond and I suspect the latter considering their vocal intentions to be more active within the Bioware community

http://forum.bioware...le-player-mode/

 

Let's be generous and assume each one of those posts is from a different person. So that's a few hundred people demanding Bioware break their own game out of how many who have bought it? That's hardly anyone. They are not going to implement bugs because under 0.001 percent of players demand it.



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Let's be generous and assume each one of those posts is from a different person. So that's a few hundred people demanding Bioware break their own game out of how many who have bought it? That's hardly anyone. They are not going to implement bugs because under 0.001 percent of players demand it.

Where did you get that number? Do you have real source or did you just pull it out of thin air? This is why getting it trending would be more effective. If it trends then it is a significant concern for many people. If it doesn't then it will be ignored.

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Where did you get that number? Do you have real source or did you just pull it out of thin air? This is why getting it trending would be more effective. If it trends then it is a significant concern for many people. If it doesn't then it will be ignored.

 

No, I didn't pull anything out of thin air. I thought it was obvious the figures I was referring to came from the post I quoted, where it was stated HUNDREDS of replies mean Bioware should respond. Or if you are referring the the 0.001 percent figure I used, that was me making an insanely low estimate as to the number of copies sold. If hundreds referred to a full 0.001 percent of players, that would mean under 100,000 copies were sold. In which case, Bioware has much bigger problems.

 

Googling shows it's sold more than a million copies in it's first week alone.

 

http://n4g.com/news/...one-x360-ps3-pc



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Let's be generous and assume each one of those posts is from a different person. So that's a few hundred people demanding Bioware break their own game out of how many who have bought it? That's hardly anyone. They are not going to implement bugs because under 0.001 percent of players demand it.

Pretty sure the people who take the time to make an account here represent the most devoted fans. Are you saying they changed the ME3 ending because .0001% of people playing it complained?
Really, if you just made an account to troll that's one thing but don't claim the people who come here for honest discussion don't represent the majority.
Rosa Parks was 1 person and she made a difference. I'm saddened to see someone claim that I being a minority shouldn't be heard

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No, I didn't pull anything out of thin air. I thought it was obvious the figures I was referring to came from the post I quoted, where it was stated HUNDREDS of replies mean Bioware should respond. Or if you are referring the the 0.001 percent figure I used, that was me making an insanely low estimate as to the number of copies sold. If hundreds referred to a full 0.001 percent of players, that would mean under 100,000 copies were sold. In which case, Bioware has much bigger problems.
 
Googling shows it's sold more than a million copies in it's first week alone.
 
http://n4g.com/news/...one-x360-ps3-pc


Ok then your words were misconstrued, I apologize

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Pretty sure the people who take the time to make an account here represent the most devoted fans. Are you saying they changed the ME3 ending because .0001% of people playing it complained?
Really, if you just made an account to troll that's one thing but don't claim the people who come here for honest discussion don't represent the majority.
Rosa Parks was 1 person and she made a difference. I'm saddened to see someone claim that I being a minority shouldn't be heard

 

No, ME3 wasn't changed because a few hundred people complained. The complaints about the ME3 ending were massive around the entire internet. It was so large, they actually raised over $50,000, it was reported on every game news site, numerous people I know in real life who don't even play games knew about how awful it was. It was not a few hundred posts on an internet forum demanding Bioware break their own game. So maybe if you do something similar, they will break their own game for you, but not because you got HUNDREDS of posts on a forum, a lot of which may be from the same people.

 

Pointing that out does not make me a troll. You will have much better luck arguing for more ways to get drops, or higher drop rates, rather than just demanding Bioware give you a way to cheat infinite mats for free. You could start topics demanding Bioware auto level your character to 50, or allow you to press a button to skip an entire level. It's the same type of request, and equally likely to succeed.

 

And did you seriously just compare a civil rights activist to video game bug complaints? Ugh. I really hope you're trolling here...



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Video game players have rights too and in today's 1st world problems this is IMO a real issue. Seems silly from an outside perspective but video games are my second life and I don't want my second life to make me stress and rage. I'm not very eloquent but I hope you get what I'm saying. My escape from reality is worse than reality sometimes and I'm sure I'm not the only one here who feels the same
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I for one loved the glitch im in my 135 hour of play through one and that is because I like exploring this game crafting ext.But I also have a brother who is very ill so alot of my time during the day is helping him he himself cannot play games for long so a glitch like this actually helps him save time so he can get more out of it please bioware bring the duping glitch back

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I for one loved the glitch im in my 135 hour of play through one and that is because I like exploring this game crafting ext.But I also have a brother who is very ill so alot of my time during the day is helping him he himself cannot play games for long so a glitch like this actually helps him save time so he can get more out of it please bioware bring the duping glitch back

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I for one loved the glitch im in my 135 hour of play through one and that is because I like exploring this game crafting ext.But I also have a brother who is very ill so alot of my time during the day is helping him he himself cannot play games for long so a glitch like this actually helps him save time so he can get more out of it please bioware bring the duping glitch back

This just in! Read all about it!
EA/Bioware disregards concerns of the sick and needy.
"Please sir, may I have another dragon bone?" - Tiny Tim

In all seriousness, I am so sorry you and him share that burden but you're a good person for it

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Sigh. They're not going to put a glitch BACK into the game no matter how many people complain. Hundreds, thousands, it doesn't matter. I sympathize with the complaint, believe me. I still haven't downloaded the patch and I don't intend to.

But they will never bring back duping. Never. Never. Never, never, never. I've never heard of any developer deliberately reimplementing an exploit that they've previously removed. Has anyone?

A more rational approach would be to champion a non-exploitive alternative as others have been doing. More respawning enemies, merchants who sell t3 mats, something along those lines. It's just a supply vs demand issue. They can fix that without having to deliberately glitch their game which, I'll reiterate, they will never do.
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Your only recourse is to stop playing their games, and spending 60.00 on a game that you have zero say in the development of. We are giving these idiots so much money they think they are Hollywood, and soon they will be telling us who to vote for. Seriously your voice in this forum or any other gaming forum is falling on deaf ears, and you have no power until you stop buying their crap. Anyone want a used copy of Dragon Age Inquisition for the PS3 I won't need mine anymore. BTW they said that people won't buy DLC Content if they didn't fix the exploit because they would be to bored with the game by the time it comes out.



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Couldn't you simply delete the patch dupe the materials you want then reinstall it?



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Your only recourse is to stop playing their games, and spending 60.00 on a game that you have zero say in the development of. We are giving these idiots so much money they think they are Hollywood, and soon they will be telling us who to vote for. Seriously your voice in this forum or any other gaming forum is falling on deaf ears, and you have no power until you stop buying their crap. Anyone want a used copy of Dragon Age Inquisition for the PS3 I won't need mine anymore. BTW they said that people won't buy DLC Content if they didn't fix the exploit because they would be to bored with the game by the time it comes out.


Source on that last sentence please

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It was a bug. Bugs get patched - even beneficial ones that people like abusing. Sure, it didn't hurt anyone, but I don't think it's particularly realistic for people to go "BioWare, please undo your fix(es) and break the game just for me!"
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It was a bug. Bugs get patched - even beneficial ones that people like abusing. Sure, it didn't hurt anyone, but I don't think it's particularly realistic for people to go "BioWare, please undo your fix(es) and break the game just for me!"

After reading how this patch apparently broke the game I haven't downloaded it.

 

I'm starting to think they're worse than Bethesda at screwing up their own games...



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It was a bug. Bugs get patched - even beneficial ones that people like abusing. Sure, it didn't hurt anyone, but I don't think it's particularly realistic for people to go "BioWare, please undo your fix(es) and break the game just for me!"


No, no they don't. They were purposefully left in for first 2 games yet this one it was removed. Now the real question is WHY and the answer isn't "because it was a bug". It wasn't a bug if it was originally intentional

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Couldn't you simply delete the patch dupe the materials you want then reinstall it?

 

No, it's really not that simple. I definitely wouldn't want to go through that whole freaking trouble it requires everytime I need more crafting material and in every single playthrough. And your patched saved files wouldn't work anyway without the patch, if you uninstal it. You just get the "This save data was created with a newer version of the game. Please download the latest content update and try again." -notification.

 

I don't need the glitch back, BW, just a merchant.



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No, it's really not that simple. I definitely wouldn't want to go through that whole freaking trouble it requires everytime I need more crafting material and in every single playthrough. And your patched saved files wouldn't work anyway without the patch, if you uninstal it. You just get the "This save data was created with a newer version of the game. Please download the latest content update and try again." -notification.

 

I don't need the glitch back, BW, just a merchant.

Ah so it's like Skyrim then.



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No, no they don't. They were purposefully left in for first 2 games yet this one it was removed. Now the real question is WHY and the answer isn't "because it was a bug". It wasn't a bug if it was originally intentional


So, because they never bothered to fix the dupe glitches in their first two games, you're suggesting they put DAI dupe glitch in intentionally? And then what, they changed their minds? I don't think so.

There is no question as to why they removed it. It was a known exploit and so they got rid of it. That is the answer whether you like it or not.

Why didn't they bother in the first two games? Beats me. I passed on DA2, but I played the crap out of DAO and I know for a fact that a good number of bugs never got fixed in that game including the dupe glitch. So it's not as though they singled it out and said, "Oh, we'll fix everything else but let's just leave this one alone." They didn't exactly leave DAO behind in a state of perfection.
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So, because they never bothered to fix the dupe glitches in their first two games, you're suggesting they put DAI dupe glitch in intentionally? And then what, they changed their minds? I don't think so.
There is no question as to why they removed it. It was a known exploit and so they got rid of it. That is the answer whether you like it or not.
Why didn't they bother in the first two games? Beats me. I passed on DA2, but I played the crap out of DAO and I know for a fact that a good number of bugs never got fixed in that game including the dupe glitch. So it's not as though they singled it out and said, "Oh, we'll fix everything else but let's just leave this one alone." They didn't exactly leave DAO behind in a state of perfection.


Duping in RPG's has been around as long as I can remember. FF4 for Chrissakes had it. Don't give me that holier than though because THAT horse was put to pasture a long time ago. The people have spoken and they want their dupe exploit BACK

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Duping in RPG's has been around as long as I can remember. FF4 for Chrissakes had it. Don't give me that holier than though because THAT horse was put to pasture a long time ago. The people have spoken and they want their dupe exploit BACK


Huh? Where in my posts did I even remotely suggest that duping in RPGs was some recent phenomenon?

And what does FF4 have to do with this? It had a dupe glitch. So? So because lots of games have had similar glitches since time immemorial that the devs aren't allowed to fix this particular mistake anymore? Duping is now a sacred cow?

Once again: developers don't fix glitches and then put them back in on purpose because players complain they can't exploit anymore. You may as well be marching down Wall Street with a picket sign reading "Legalize Insider Trading!" That's basically how ridiculous your request sounds.

They need to do something to make crafting not suck, I agree. But what you're demanding is patently absurd.

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Huh? Where in my posts did I even remotely suggest that duping in RPGs was some recent phenomenon?

And what does FF4 have to do with this? It had a dupe glitch. So? So because lots of games have had similar glitches since time immemorial that the devs aren't allowed to fix this particular mistake anymore? Duping is now a sacred cow?

Once again: developers don't fix glitches and then put them back in on purpose because players complain they can't exploit anymore. You may as well be marching down Wall Street with a picket sign reading "Legalize Insider Trading!" That's basically how ridiculous your request sounds.

They need to do something to make crafting not suck, I agree. But what you're demanding is patently absurd.

Black Emporium MK II anyone?