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[KBomb]

First off, they didn't "put" the duping glitch in. It's just that, a glitch.

 

It's their job to fix glitches. As I'm not a part of Bioware (and neither are you, I'm sure) there's no way to know what discussion there was when they decided to patch the glitch or when they chose not to in previous installments. It might be that the duping bug was tied to other, harmful bugs, and fixing duping was a side effect of fixing the other bugs. It could be that they're re-adding a level of difficulty. You'll need to put some forethought into crafting, for instance, saving those dragon materials for the highest level crafting, like the developers no doubt intended when they created the crafting system but only put 10 dragons in the world.

 

Truth is, they don't have to cater to people who exploit glitches.

Of course they don't have to cater to anyone. They don't have to cater to people asking for more hairstyles, they don't have to cater to people asking for storage chests, or a way to change your looks after the game starts, etc. And they certainly don't have to fix a crafting system that many feel is poor design at best, broken at worst. They also don't have to leave an exploit in a game. Some people feel there is no need to add hairstyles, more clothing options, etc. However, to some these are legitimate concerns and having those things would make their game a better experience.

 

Unless you just skimmed through the numerous threads on this subject, which honestly, most seem to--then you'd see that there are good reasons why this exploit was useful. If they want to remove it, then okay. But at least look into why the exploit was so popular and listen to what their customers are saying and go from there. As they would and should do for any concerns or suggestions. Personally, at this point, I don't expect Bioware to do anything but listen. Perhaps they are, if so wonderful. Hopefully, they will do something to remedy it. 

 

 

And you're right. They don't have to cater to anyone period. But I can tell you this. The majority of the people that have bought this game and their past games... appreciated this glitch and are frustrated that it has been removed. Especially since it wasn't hurting or affecting anyone at all.

Also, this. Honestly, I wonder if people would be so "deal with it" if they figured out a way to ban cheat engines and mods because" that isn't the way Bioware intended the game to be played"? I can tell you, there would be a forum mutiny like no one's business up in here. 

[Kendar Fleetfoot]

This is an RPG which places you (the player) in the life and role of the protagantist (the inquisitior) and like in life you can't duplicate items and you can't do so in the game which was orignaly intented but by mistake you could now you can't if you do not wish to take the time and trouble to do things properly can I suggest you mod the game yourself or just SAVE your game if you don't have the time to farm things.

yes but in real life the Inquisitor would not spend 2/3 of his/her life out picking herbs!!!!

[Melca36]

yes but in real life the Inquisitor would not spend 2/3 of his/her life out picking herbs!!!!

Um I timed it. It takes very little time to get the materials you need.

[KBomb]

Um I timed it. It takes very little time to get the materials you need.

Interesting, could you tell us the exact time? And metals, leathers and cloth and don't forget rune materials. While you're at it, I would like to know how long it takes to gather some Fade-Touched items, like Fade-Touched Silverite. I have yet to see any in my games. Would be nice to know the quickest and easiest way to get some. I just want to know how long of a haul I am in for, since you have the exact numbers. Between school, work, social life and sleep, I would love to know where my hour I have to play would be best spent.

Unless you mean enough low grade material for modest armor and weapons and maybe a few good pieces for just the favorite companions. Because, yay. It's so much fun setting a goal for mediocre.

[Melca36]

Interesting, could you tell us the exact time? And metals, leathers and cloth and don't forget rune materials. While you're at it, I would like to know how long it takes to gather some Fade-Touched items, like Fade-Touched Silverite. I have yet to see any in my games. Would be nice to know the quickest and easiest way to get some. I just want to know how long of a haul I am in for, since you have the exact numbers. Between school, work, social life and sleep, I would love to know where my hour I have to play would be best spent.

Unless you mean enough low grade material for modest armor and weapons and maybe a few good pieces for just the favorite companions. Because, yay. It's so much fun setting a goal for mediocre.

 

 

I'm filming this current playthrough. I keep timed records of every aspect of the game. Its going to be shown in parts.  As for Fade Touched items........I get most of them pretty easily by doing the save and load trick

[Jeffry]

I'm filming this current playthrough. I keep timed records of every aspect of the game. Its going to be shown in parts.  As for Fade Touched items........I get most of them pretty easily by doing the same and load trick

 

Very little time, pretty easily, load trick. Ok.

 

Seriously though. Load trick works only for hebrs (for seeds) and ore nodes, no? You can't load trick drops from enemies IIRC. For me it took 100 silverite nodes to get 1 fade-touched silverite. I load tricked like the last 20. That is not pretty easy and it is not done in very little time. It is easy in the way that a trained monkey could press F -> f9, but it is mind-numbingly tedious nevertheless and takes some serious time if you have to do it multiple times (to avoid duping) or do it for various materials.

 

And farming schematics is even worse, since you can't just press f9 all the time, you must leave the location first, come back, etc.

 

Point is, we should not have been forced to either dupe something, load trick it, or just run around looting everything for a whole day to have a chance to see some of the rare materials, when we want to craft something actually useful. In a story-driven RPG this is unjustifiable, it is here to only stretch the weak and short story.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

I get most of them pretty easily by doing the save and load trick

Interesting that someone who has been admonishing players for complaining about an exploit being removed is now suggesting they use a different exploit.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, I totally didn't see that coming. I assumed his play was going to be something along the lines of not needing much of the rare stuff.

[KBomb]

I'm filming this current playthrough. I keep timed records of every aspect of the game. Its going to be shown in parts.  As for Fade Touched items........I get most of them pretty easily by doing the save and load trick

You get them by using an exploit? So, it's easy for you to gain access to rare items because you use an exploit? Logic, there is none.

 

Well, I am on my forth playthrough and have used no exploit at all. My first playthrough was a completion run and my second basically was, save for some shards and a few terrible fetch quests I couldn't bring myself to complete a second time. Neither time was I "lazy" and neither time was I "unskilled" at gathering. I have never even seen the Fade-Touched Silverite. Granted, I have not used the exploit yet, so I am certainly not saying that you have to use in order to beat the game. 

 

I just think if you're going to focus on crafting and make it a central part of a game, then you should make it a fun and beneficial addition. Something that is going to keep you coming back for more. If you want to make items rare, then great. Just don't make them so rare you can go an entire game without seeing them. If I am level 20 and have killed a load of high-level bad guys, then give me something to show for it. Let my team reflect that. Don't limit my choices when it comes to who gets badass armor and who has to sit back at Skyhold like a noob, especially when I have paid my dues. Also implement various ways to gather materials. Not everyone likes to gather and grind. Some people have school, work, kids and etc. Their time is limited and if you're on a third or forth playthrough, it just adds to the boredom. It doesn't make this crafting system that they were so proud of very accessible. It's nothing to do with skill or intellect or laziness. 

 

I am not insulting Bioware or the game. I do wish they would have left the exploit alone or fixed the RNG and that freaking awful loot system. On my second character, I was level 13 and looting level 6 weapons. That is just wrong.  Furthermore, if someone is having great success with gathering rare items and have no issues at all, why would you care if someone else is having issues? Why care if they use the glitch? It basically comes off as, "I am not having this issue, so your complaint is invalid. Get over it." 

[Guitarius]

I'm disappointed to read players arguing with other players about style and game mechanics.

 

It's a simple issue.  Either BioWare removed duplication to take capabilities away from loyal game players to pad their pockets with DLC money or they didn't.  If they did, money is where we should respond.  Disavow all further BioWare DLC purchases and they will hear, or their masters at EA.

 

#NoBioWareDLC!

 

You should let them know that hurting the game player to try and make a few more dollars in DLC will result in a net loss on their end.

 

This is the first time in 3 games as a happy consumer I've felt the need to create an account and voice my displeasure in their treatment.  This is the last money they shall receive from me and I shall endeavor to see them lose more.

 

Guitarius

#NoBioWareDLC!

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Fix the RNG and loot

or give back duping 

[Scorpion133]

PLEASE PLEASE BRING BACK THE EXPLOIT!!!!! 
It makes the game so much more fun. I have all 3, and the DAO the first time I played it I didn't use it, and when I found out about the glitch, Dragon Age become my favourite game of times! I have replayed all the games uncountable times because of this glitch!

 

It helps you build your character exactly the way you want him... and we the Best equipment of the game!!! 

 

Please try to bring it back... 

 

In addition, it would be a good idea to bring back the finishing moves from DAO.

 

Thank you...

[TheOgre]

I don't see why duping was a priority fix at all in the 7 patches we had. Considering single player and multi-player are different in equipment and gold only affects single player.. Let us filthy scummers have our fun! Do it for the console fans too. They can't mod their game.

[Sunnie]

You want what?

I'm sorry, but....

[TheOgre]

You want what?

I'm sorry, but....

 

And you complain about trolls about people trolling when they have feedback regarding witcher 3 v dai mechanics. Heh.

[Sunnie]

I find it very comical that people are serious about things like putting exploits back in a game where they were removed. That will never happen, at any studio.

And to boot, the thread was necroed! There's a reason it died, and should have been left dead.

[TheOgre]

I find it very comical that people are serious about things like putting exploits back in a game where they were removed. That will never happen, at any studio.
And to boot, the thread was necroed! There's a reason it died, and should have been left dead.

Then why reply unless to be obnoxious?

[Domiel Angelus]

I find it very comical that people are serious about things like putting exploits back in a game where they were removed. That will never happen, at any studio.

And to boot, the thread was necroed! There's a reason it died, and should have been left dead.

 

Resurrected from the grave by a brand new account that only has one post to its name, so either really slow to join the forums or someone that doesn't want their real account to be ban-hammered for doing so or someone that already had their standard account banned.

 

I don't see why duping was a priority fix at all in the 7 patches we had. Considering single player and multi-player are different in equipment and gold only affects single player.. Let us filthy scummers have our fun! Do it for the console fans too. They can't mod their game.

 

I've managed to play all three titles without even stumbling upon the Dupe glitch, so you actually had to go out of your way to even find it.  I've played each game at least twice (I think I have 11 play runs of DA:O at this point) and its never seemed to slow me down. A lot of the super easy to snag herbs can be bought right at the vendor at the Crossroads for starter potions, you can sneak around as a rogue for silverite in Emprise if you really want to deck out early. Even if my Inquisitor wasn't a rogue I could always count on good ol' Cole to do my bidding, just take him and let my Inquisitor fall over if he decided to get to close to something. The silverite deposits right near the dragons pop between 7 and 9 for me and then I just murdered the highly defensless critters for the Snowfleur cloth and that just left me with Leather to acquire which could easily be shredded off those angry Wyverns in the swampy extra area in the Exalted Plains. 

 

Maybe I would have more of a problem with it being patched if I used it, but to me its just a bug on a list of things they fixed. 

[NPLow]

I don't care what anyone says, I love glitches like this, they give games great replayability, and removing them was FLAT OUT STUPID. You kept the glitch for DAO and DA2 now you eliminate it totally. If you are so hell bent on a "real experience" then DON'T USE THE GLITCH, but the option for players that want to efficiently optimize, such an ability was very nice. In the past four months I have already recommended people do NOT buy this game multiple times. I will continue to do so. 

[TheOgre]

Just a comment, I recommended this game only be played on pc if not for mods but because of how the game is rather extremely limiting towards a players choice of armor considering the vast array of options (gold, rng, and what have you..). Otherwise it isn't a terrible game, it's just not a dragon age that I can say great things about personally.

[Domiel Angelus]

I don't care what anyone says, I love glitches like this, they give games great replayability, and removing them was FLAT OUT STUPID. You kept the glitch for DAO and DA2 now you eliminate it totally. If you are so hell bent on a "real experience" then DON'T USE THE GLITCH, but the option for players that want to efficiently optimize, such an ability was very nice. In the past four months I have already recommended people do NOT buy this game multiple times. I will continue to do so. 

 

I optimized efficiently without it, but then again, I do spreadsheets to build gear and percentages of drop rates for fun.