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[Cheviot]

You seem to have radically mispelt "warden" in your thread title. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

Because people disliked the personality system in DA2, so clearly the consumers wanted their char to have no personality at all!....or something like that. Don't look at me, I love Hawke.

[frostajulie]

I agree op I was more connected to the npc's than my bland lifeless opinionless inquisitor.

[Rawgrim]

The inquisitor is an NPC, not a PC. Simple as that.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I wrote this in response to a similar comment yesterday, so I'm going to copy-paste my thoughts here as I sense the relevance:

 

Fundamentally, the Inquisitor is a character that is here for one thing: to close that gigantic hole in the sky. Besides literally being the only person with the means of achieving that, they were handpicked by a divine entity. You, as a player, learn all of that in the beginning moments of the game. That is, the game starts off telling you that this character is exceptionally powerful and important, and you should do what you are told to save the world because Andraste says you are the only one who can. Next, you proceed to play the rest of the game under that supposition and nothing else.

 

Come to think of it, that's where it all falls apart. If the game is dictating that this character is important and should be seen as such, then that's unlikely to cause you, the player, to care. Whether or not a character is powerful or important is something that the player should decide themselves by progressing through the narrative. If the game is deciding that for you, as is the case with DA:I, then the character in question will inevitably be treated as such, regardless of what you think of them. You quickly end up losing interest because you can't relate to a character that is being presented in a certain way, one that most likely does not align with your own perspective of this character.

 

Neither the Warden nor Hawke was presented as such, and I personally found it far easier to connect with and RP them than I was able to with either of my current Inquisitors. I think this is especially true with Hawke, who I still believe is the most relatable character in the series, as they are, quite literally, the exact opposite of the Inquisitor in terms of characterization.

 

[KaiserShep]

(don't tell it wouldn't be realistic because he/she is the leader of this big organization, a freaking dwarf can be the herald of andraste it doesn't get more ridiculous than that)

 

Well, that's pretty much the compromise one must potentially deal with when we have the option to select multiple races/backgrounds.

[Il Divo]

Come to think of it, that's where it all falls apart. If the game is dictating that this character is important and should be seen as such, then that's unlikely to cause you, the player, to care. Whether or not a character is powerful or important is something that the player should decide themselves by progressing through the narrative.

 

 

Not sure I agree with this bit. I'm too used to every Bioware game treating me as last of the "something" or otherwise some sort of messiah figure to really buy into the idea that the problem is the game dictates my character is important.

 

Really, Baldur's Gate 1 and Dragon Age II are the only games that really stands out to me as being a situation where the PC's identity doesn't make him some sort of "save the world" figure, at least to start with. 

 

The only thing that Inquisition is a bit more heavy-handed with is that here you actually have people referring to you as a Prophet.Messiah/whatever where as other Bioware games usually employ some other title "Spirit Monk" or "Grey Warden". 

[BioWareM0d13]

Because people disliked the personality system in DA2, so clearly the consumers wanted their char to have no personality at all!....or something like that. Don't look at me, I love Hawke.

 

Hawke was the best DA protagonist in terms of personality. The Warden was silent and the Inquisitor is a little dull.

 

Unfortunately Hawke also had had the weakest story, the weakest setting, and was in the weakest game.

[Rawgrim]

Not sure I agree with this bit. I'm too used to every Bioware game treating me as last of the "something" or otherwise some sort of messiah figure to really buy into the idea that the problem is the game dictates my character is important.

 

Really, Baldur's Gate 1 and Dragon Age II are the only games that really stands out to me as being a situation where the PC's identity doesn't make him some sort of "save the world" figure, at least to start with. 

 

The only thing that Inquisition is a bit more heavy-handed with is that here you actually have people referring to you as a Prophet.Messiah/whatever where as other Bioware games usually employ some other title "Spirit Monk" or "Grey Warden". 

 

BG2 as well, really. The conflict in it isn't world-spanning by any means. Worst case scenario is that the god of murder returns. He isn't going to destroy the world or anything, just return to it.

[Wulfram]

I think they made the "tones" less extreme than DA2 because Hawke could come across as weirdly schizophrenic if you switched.

[Il Divo]

Hawke was the best DA protagonist in terms of personality. The Warden was silent and the Inquisitor is a little dull.

 

Unfortunately Hawke also had had the weakest story, the weakest setting, and was in the weakest game.

 

Honestly, I kinda wish Hawke was the star of Inquisition. I think it actually would have fit pretty well after the events of DA2. Keep the "rise to power" theme going. But I can understand wanting to distance themselves after its terrible reception. 

[Cheviot]

lol no even though the warden had no voice he/she is a lot better than the boring Inquisitor
Origins had a lot of options for RP especjally with the origin stories

 
My answer to that is a blank, expressionless face.

 

I'm cosplaying as the Warden, you see.
 

[Aimi]

But I can understand wanting to distance themselves after its terrible reception.

It's also a good thing for poor Hawke, because apparently the bridge between DA2 and Inquisition would've been the cancelled Exalted March expansion/DLC, which would've resulted in many of DA2's surviving companions being killed off as the prelude to getting a mostly new group in Inquisition.

[Il Divo]

It's also a good thing for poor Hawke, because apparently the bridge between DA2 and Inquisition would've been the cancelled Exalted March expansion/DLC, which would've resulted in many of DA2's surviving companions being killed off as the prelude to getting a mostly new group in Inquisition.

 

For real? Oh man, I can't see that sitting well for some people. 

 

Not to mention, the writers seem to really enjoy torturing Hawke, given what happens to his family. Now murder every (surviving) companion on top of it? It really would drive the "Hawke is helpless" theme home. 

[Rawgrim]

yeah I can see why they dropped their plans for Hawke to be the Inqusitor but I still would have preferred it
if only EA gave them more development time for DA2 it might have been better received

 

The same thing happened to Ultima 7 part 2. Then it got even worse with Ultima 8 (EA even added jumping puzzles for that one. Sound familiar?), and then the stunning Ultima 9 happened. Almost all of the rp elements had been removed from that one. History is repeating itself, believe me.

[jlb524]

Just add salt.

Inquisitor will taste better.

[Il Divo]

yeah I can see why they dropped their plans for Hawke to be the Inqusitor but I still would have preferred it
if only EA gave them more development time for DA2 it might have been better received

 

DA2 had the makings of a good narrative, and at times it does get pretty damn good. But it also has some very cringeworthy moments, particularly when the game tries to get emotional (the opening, Hawke's mother's death, etc).

 

All imo. 

[Aimi]

where did you get that?
I figured they would go the ME2 route the DA II companions would only appear in cameos
Hawke would get the companions we have now and pursue new romances ( Cassandra)

Gaider put a post on his now-defunct Tumblr in response to fan clamor about what Exalted March would've been like. He stated that some elements were retained in various forms (e.g. the Temple of Mythal) and some were axed entirely, and that a lot of characters wouldn't have come out of it all that well (if at all), something he suggested that is fun for the writers but not fun at all for the fans.

[Rawgrim]

It's also a good thing for poor Hawke, because apparently the bridge between DA2 and Inquisition would've been the cancelled Exalted March expansion/DLC, which would've resulted in many of DA2's surviving companions being killed off as the prelude to getting a mostly new group in Inquisition.

 

That would have been great, actually. Not that I want the companions dead, but it would deffinatly add an emotional punch to the story.