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[Qun00]

No, it's just a game you wouldn't want to play. BW have done games where you kill your companions and games where you can be evil. And disagreeing with your companions does not make you a mean douchebag. It only means you disagree with them.

You must only play Bioware games, then. In the grand scheme of things, it still is more like a mere wish than anything that should be expected.

That's what you're saying. What I said was that you can do things like straight up telling Cassandra she's a fool, or in Sera's case, that she needs to grow up.

But since you brought up disagreeing with the companions, yes, that's relevant. People are talking like the Inquisitor does nothing but kiss everyone's ass and is never allowed to question them, which clearly isn't true.

I can't stop anyone from complaining but if they must, I'd expect them to keep it accurate instead of blowing things out of proportion because they don't get everything they want.

[leaguer of one]

So there are options in game for my Inq to be a nihilistic jerk who welcomes the end of times that Cory is bringing about, a xenophobic ******* who stabs every elf, dwarf, and Qunari he comes across including Sola's, Varric, and Iron Bull, or a loyal follower of the Qun? Man I must not have been paying attention during the dialogue selections. >.>

See everyone. When people say that the game does not let them play a character with personality it just means they can be murder knifing crazys. You heared it here first.

[leaguer of one]

And if I wanted to kill Varric for questioning me?

Note: we never did that in dao to anyone ether.

[TheJediSaint]

Note: we never did that in dao to anyone ether.

Bioware's devs have never really been keen on indulging psyco player characters.

[leaguer of one]

Bioware's devs have never really been keen on indulging psyco player characters.

DAO never let me kill everyone in the camp in their sleep...How can it be a role playing game?

[(Disgusted noise.)]

You're not going to be able to murder major characters anymore because you cry when they show up in later installments and the developers don't want to be limited to telling only stories that jive with your homicidal fantasies. Boo freaking hoo.

[leaguer of one]

You're not going to be able to murder major characters anymore because you cry when they show up in later installments and the developers don't want to be limited to telling only stories that jive with your homicidal fantasies. Boo freaking hoo.

Except when they let you do that and they don't show up later. Anders is still dead and he was the only person in  my prime story line that I killed.

[Tenshi]

One of the reasons why Hawke was best writen protagonist of Bioware is because he/she was race and origin locked. You guys kicked such an option in the face. You have to deal with it if you want more races.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 About two days ago I was playing the In Your Heart Shall Burn quest and had to shake my head at the Inquisitor.

 

After the breach is sealed, everyone is celebrating and having good times in Haven. The Inquisitor, however, is just staring off blankly. Now, that I could almost forgive, as Haven was later attacked and maybe the hero had some bad feeling in his gut that it all felt too easy. But then you see the hostile force invading and Cullen hustling in to inform everyone that they're under attack...

 

... and the Inquisitor was still utterly disconnected from the situation at hand!!

[leaguer of one]

 About two days ago I was playing the In Your Heart Shall Burn quest and had to shake my head at the Inquisitor.

 

After the breach is sealed, everyone is celebrating and having good times in Haven. The Inquisitor, however, is just staring off blankly. Now, that I could almost forgive, as Haven was later attacked and maybe the hero had some bad feeling in his gut that it all felt too easy. But then you see the hostile force invading and Cullen hustling in to inform everyone that they're under attack...

 

... and the Inquisitor was still utterly disconnected from the situation at hand!!

1. That was like 2 secs.

2. The wardens face is like that for the entire game.

[Lewie]

My inquisitors would disagree.

[Hazegurl]

You must only play Bioware games, then. In the grand scheme of things, it still is more like a mere wish than anything that should be expected.

That's what you're saying. What I said was that you can do things like straight up telling Cassandra she's a fool, or in Sera's case, that she needs to grow up.

But since you brought up disagreeing with the companions, yes, that's relevant. People are talking like the Inquisitor does nothing but kiss everyone's ass and is never allowed to question them, which clearly isn't true.

I can't stop anyone from complaining but if they must, I'd expect them to keep it accurate instead of blowing things out of proportion because they don't get everything they want.

  What on earth would make you think that?

 

Asking them to do what they did in previous games is not a wish.

 

It's obvious that you and I have different views on what constitutes evil choices and behavior. Simply giving your opinion or telling a companion they are foolish is not. I poisoned holy ashes and murdered Leliana, I killed Wynne in the Magi circle, Sided with Branka who killed her own people and wanted to put the souls of others into Golems, I murdered knifed some folks, beat Ohgren back in line, told Alistair he was a moron, then said "it's about time!" when Anora called for his head, then I agreed to having it removed from his body and recruited Loghain. So sorry for not being impressed by a few not so nice words to companions in DAI.

 

The IQ pretty much does run around kissing their asses. You're allowed to say one or two statements in disagreement, get told off, then the convo is over. You can't tell any of the companions that they are full of it, and can't get rid of any of them directly aside from Sera. Heaven forbid if you actually anger certain companions like Vivienne, then you're stuck watching some stupid tongue tied IQ who for some reason can't tell this woman to hit the freaking road, or to be petty right back at her.

 

Reporting what I see in game is not blowing anything out of proportion. You simply don't agree with what I report.

[Hazegurl]

 

2. The wardens face is like that for the entire game.

True, but I thought we were passed blank staring Protags.

[leaguer of one]

True, but I thought we were passed blank staring Protags.

So a person must have an expression on there face to not be boring and 3 second of blank face means the character is boring?

[Phoe77]

I don't miss those acts of villainy from Origins.  I guess it's cool to be able to be able to make your character laughably violent, but not being able to do that doesn't necessarily equate to a bland protagonist in my mind.  I guess it's just one of those things that comes down to taste.  

 

I do dislike not being able to go toe-to-toe with companions, but I don't think that's unique to the Inquisitor.  I don't remember being able to hold my own in conversations with Sten or Morrigan when I wanted to disagree with them.  

[KaiserShep]

Disagreeing with Sten long enough just ends with a fight lol.

[TheJediSaint]

I'm all about having fights with companions, but I'd rather they be verbal altercations rather than actual combat.

[Avejajed]

Maybe you didn't use enough salt?

[KaiserShep]

Violence only works for some characters. With Sten, it makes sense since he's bigger on shows of strength than arguments. The same is true of Oghren. A character like Vivienne is not about to reduce herself to a physical confrontation, but it would've been nice to be able to argue at least a little.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

1. That was like 2 secs.

Ah, right. I forgot how making a face is a long, grueling process. Gotta build up some strength first, right?  (LOL!)

2. The wardens face is like that for the entire game.

 

Check your facts. Warden makes faces ranging from horror (Daveth's joining) to sorrow (Cailan's corpse in RtO DLC). And this in moments that were only a few seconds long. Not sure how he managed such a feat, though.

[KaiserShep]

My Warden made some expressions but they cost like 50 stamina each time.

[Phoe77]

Ah, right. I forgot how making a face is a long, grueling process. Gotta build up some strength first, right?  (LOL!)

 

Check your facts. Warden makes faces ranging from horror (Daveth's joining) to sorrow (Cailan's corpse in RtO DLC). And this in moments that were only a few seconds long. Not sure how he managed such a feat, though.

 

And the Inquisitor has expressions ranging from anger (the assassination attempt on Bull) to happiness (causing the first avalanche at Haven).  I believe that the point was intended to be that the Inquisitor makes faces more than the Warden.  I think that's true, but I obviously don't have any numbers.  

 

More expression during the Haven attack would have been nice, but they conveyed a bit of the urgency through the Inquisitor's body language, I think.

[leaguer of one]

Ah, right. I forgot how making a face is a long, grueling process. Gotta build up some strength first, right?  (LOL!)

 

Check your facts. Warden makes faces ranging from horror (Daveth's joining) to sorrow (Cailan's corpse in RtO DLC). And this in moments that were only a few seconds long. Not sure how he managed such a feat, though.

1. You don't have a concept of time do you.

 

2. They show it in the scenes they are made to and there face is the only thing in the shot. You missed the other time the quis show expression like the ones of fear at the start of the game and the one of angry at the end. We can at least see the quis smile when they make a joke.

[Hazegurl]

So a person must have an expression on there face to not be boring and 3 second of blank face means the character is boring?

No, I actually think the Warden was more exciting than the IQ despite his blank stare. But I notice that those who typically defend the IQ's blandness enjoy bringing up the Warden's blank stare in comparison. I found that both the Warden and the IQ had the same blank stare with the IQ actually smiling and looking angry or confused on occasion. The IQ simply proves that it takes a lot more than a few facial expressions to be interesting.  Neither can compare to Hawke. 

 

Edit: lol!! I forgot the Warden did have facial expressions. It just happened once every Blue moon.

[Ranadiel Marius]

See everyone. When people say that the game does not let them play a character with personality it just means they can be murder knifing crazys. You heared it here first.

*headdesk* You are missing the point I was making and I cannot tell if you are doing it intentionally or not. I will give this one more try.

The Inq's personality is not solely created by the player because the character's actions are limited by what the programmer's put into the game and how the actor's deliver their lines. You can fan fiction your character to have whatever personality you want, but the game world won't recognize that you are bumbling coward who flees after gaining his freedom, a blood thirsty psychopath, or even a very emotional person who wears his heart on his sleeve. So claiming that it is the player's fault that that the Inq is bland when the limits to how the Inq interacts with the world and how the world perceives the Inq's actions is controlled by Bioware is insulting and completely wrong.

For the record, I have no desire to play a psychopath, it just made for an easy example of how the player is not fully in control of their character....although clearly that was a bad call on my part since people focused on the wrong point. >.>