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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

a freaking dwarf can be the herald of andraste it doesn't get more ridiculous than that)

Gonne disagree here. That's like claiming a Native American can't be a saint when there are several of them. The Chant of Light is supposed to be for all, including dwarves.

 

And I don't agree witht eh complaint here. I found plenty of roleplay and personality opportunities in dialogue.

 

And both the expressions on your inquisitor and the person you are talking to change to correspond with the emotional state you pick for a response in a convo. Just try Varric's first custscene convo in Haven. That's the opposite of blank staring.

[leaguer of one]

*headdesk* You are missing the point I was making and I cannot tell if you are doing it intentionally or not. I will give this one more try.

The Inq's personality is not solely created by the player because the character's actions are limited by what the programmer's put into the game and how the actor's deliver their lines. You can fan fiction your character to have whatever personality you want, but the game world won't recognize that you are bumbling coward who flees after gaining his freedom, a blood thirsty psychopath, or even a very emotional person who wears his heart on his sleeve. So claiming that it is the player's fault that that the Inq is bland when the limits to how the Inq interacts with the world and how the world perceives the Inq's actions is controlled by Bioware is insulting and completely wrong.

For the record, I have no desire to play a psychopath, it just made for an easy example of how the player is not fully in control of their character....although clearly that was a bad call on my part since people focused on the wrong point. >.>

Dude, welcome to digital rpgs. All rpgs have that limit. It's been that way from ultima. We can develop our character but based on what's there.  and it's not like you can't play an emotional character, you get your quis to cry over the deaths of haven.

[leaguer of one]

lol at this guy

People have already explained why the Inquisitor was bland as hell many times and yet you continue to ignore it instead you give lame excuses

The Warden was not as bland because there were a lot more interesting RP possiblities in DA:O did you even play the game?

 

it doesn't matter that he/she didn't have a voice or appropirate expressions

 

Also especially after Hawke the Inquisitor feels like a stand in with no personality they could have done a lot better that much is clear

the voice options suck too but I don't blame the voice actors Bioware just didn't use them the right way instead they just let them read their lines like they are bored

And  yes all those people who said that ignored and skipped over this...

 

Yep...total bland and has no emotion to set...

[Fiery Phoenix]

That elf in the second video... I thought it was a girl. Creeped the hell out of me!

[MoonDrummer]

And  yes all those people who said that ignored and skipped over this...

 

Yep...total bland and has no emotion to set...

Those lines were both delivered really poorly. They just sound bored...

[Hazegurl]

Gonne disagree here. That's like claiming a Native American can't be a saint when there are several of them. The Chant of Light is supposed to be for all, including dwarves.

 

 

I think you missed the point.  Lorewise a Dwarf cannot be the Herald of Andraste, as they should not be able to have a magical fade controlling anchor attached to them from the start. They have zero connection to the fade.

[Xyxlplic]

I think you missed the point.  Lorewise a Dwarf cannot be the Herald of Andraste, as they should not be able to have a magical fade controlling anchor attached to them from the start. They have zero connection to the fade.

They have no natural connection to the Fade. The Anchor is far from natural and is explicitly designed to manipulate the Fade.

[Phoe77]

Dwarves don't enter the Fade when they dream.  That doesn't mean that nothing Fade-related can affect them.

 

I have played and enjoyed Origins multiple times.  That still doesn't make me think that the Warden is a more interesting character or that the Inquisitor is somehow bland.  It probably has to do with how I prefer my characters to be presented versus how you like yours to be presented.  If we were talking about a tabletop RPG I would prefer to have my options for my character as unrestricted as possible. 

 

I do think that the warden is the most bland of the three protagonists.  The fact that I'm less restricted when imagining my warden's personality in my head doesn't make up for the fact that I'm not impressed with how that personality plays out in the game.  I may have to make concessions with my Inquisitor, but his personality is displayed more convincingly to me than the warden's ever was.  That's enough to make up for the losses I have in freedom to imagine aspects of his personality, especially since I know my character is always going to be limited in some way due to the nature of the medium.  

 

It's fine if that doesn't work for you, but I don't think that makes people like me wrong to say that the Inquisitor isn't bland.

[mikeymoonshine]

I agree that the Inquisitor is a bit bland in general but I still enjoyed playing as him/her. I still dislike Hawke more. 

[leaguer of one]

Those lines were both delivered really poorly. They just sound bored...

Aka, subjective option. Regardless they both show the quis has personality.

[leaguer of one]

I think you missed the point.  Lorewise a Dwarf cannot be the Herald of Andraste, as they should not be able to have a magical fade controlling anchor attached to them from the start. They have zero connection to the fade.

Nope. Lore says they can't dream. It says nothing about not being effected by magic. Dwarves are effected by magic. The anchor is just magic. It can still effect them.

[MoonDrummer]

Aka, subjective option. Regardless they both show the quis has personality.

the solas joke sounds like it's being cracked by a tranquil.

[MoonDrummer]

Aka, subjective option. Regardless they both show the quis has personality.

dp

[Poledo]

I think you missed the point.  Lorewise a Dwarf cannot be the Herald of Andraste, as they should not be able to have a magical fade controlling anchor attached to them from the start. They have zero connection to the fade.

 

No no, the dwarven inquisitor had a 25% chance to resist the anchor - he apparently failed his saving throw.

[leaguer of one]

the solas joke sounds like it's being cracked by a tranquil.

And I'm just going to repeat what I said before... Subjective.

[I present Chuck Bass]

easily the worst Bioware protagonist for me
Even though there seem to be more dialouge options for the Inquisitor to choose from most are useless since there are very few intersting RP options
We can't even be ruthless/evil (don't tell it wouldn't be realistic because he/she is the leader of this big organization, a freaking dwarf can be the herald of andraste it doesn't get more ridiculous than that), and sarcastic Inquisitor is just not funny
Hell the Warden has more depth even though he has no voice..( and Hawke is of course 10×better)
They decided to do a mix between the Warden and Hawke but failed
also headcanon doesn't count

Must have not made a dwarf...

[leaguer of one]

these videos supposed to convince me? lol

ok WOW the Inquisitor has personality and shows emotions...

 

except he/she doesn't terrible delivery from the voice actors (like some already said its like they are bored)

and compared to Hawke this is still nothing (two medicore examples)

 

And the Warden while of course with no voice would have ca. 10 different dialogue options here

So the Inquisitor is still bland because Bioware tried to go the middle way and appease everyone (which of course was silly)

More of a case it shows the quis has personality. How you feel it's delivered is subjective. Point is the quis can show they have emotion. Added remember the last time was had a character that had emotion in there voice everyone whined about it.

*Points at Hawke.

You get what you asked for.

[bluonblu]

in Origins the races were implemented well
and it made sense that even a dwarf or elf could be the Warden (from a lore perspective)
in Inquisition it feels like bad fan service that makes 0 sense

 

Hmm, I think it's more that race selection is secondary - being a mage or a non-mage character class is the decision that sets the tone for the Inquisitor's welcome. 

It's nice that there are some War table missions linked to their background; I only wish they could be playable. In fact, with something similar, I wouldn't mind too much that there's no DAO-like, personalized start.   

 

Still, I wouldn't say the Inquisitor is completely bland. On my Dalish/rogue run I've had loads of fun setting people right about the Herald business ("sorry, still Dalish, don't even believe in your Maker") and also correcting Solas about elven lore (how dare he think he knows better, right?!) while my human/mage Inquisitor was devout, conciliatory and an all-around hero (meh, a bit boring in hindsight).

I only wish the little touches weren't limited to conversation with main characters, but I could snark at an NPC, etc.  

[Vilegrim]

More of a case it shows the quis has personality. How you feel it's delivered is subjective. Point is the quis can show they have emotion. Added remember the last time was had a character that had emotion in there voice everyone whined about it.

*Points at Hawke.

You get what you asked for.

 

 

I did not, I got a voiced protag..again, but I will never get another BW game that doesn't waste resources on limiting us to a few VA'd lines, with no noticable difference between them.

[Lebanese Dude]

It seems that people who think the Inquisitor is bland prefer to play caricatures.

 

That's fair. I love sarcastic Hawke's insanity.
 

I personally found the Inquisitor to be the most relatable of the bunch, having an attitude and humor that was more grounded and sane than previous protagonists in almost all personality archetypes.

 

Usually that was relegated to the diplomatic PC only...and even then they seemed to be too angelic to be true.

[leaguer of one]

I did not, I got a voiced protag..again, but I will never get another BW game that doesn't waste resources on limiting us to a few VA'd lines, with no noticable difference between them.

Sorry but at this point bw is not going to do silent. They're not going to bend on this.

[Vilegrim]

Sorry but at this point bw is not going to do silent. They're not going to bend on this.

 

 

I know.  We will get blander and blander protags and less and less variety in actions and decisions as time goes by, eventually things will stop being actual rpgs with choices and consequences and 'freedom' of..alignment I guess,  and move onto being interactive movies,

[leaguer of one]

I know.  We will get blander and blander protags and less and less variety in actions and decisions as time goes by, eventually things will stop being actual rpgs with choices and consequences and 'freedom' of..alignment I guess,  and move onto being interactive movies,

Or you can ask for protags like Hawke and stop whining about the vo personality like in da2.