It's a tradeoff illustrating yet another example of the fact that you can't please everyone. I'm personally fine with either option, so long as it makes sense and is within a certain range of freedom.
I said this just now: they made Inq's personality less variable for the sake of future games if the Ins should appear as an actual NPC.
I blame the all the people who bitched relentlessly about Hawke's 'schizophrenic' personality.
Hawke was amazing.
Though, even if my quizzy couldn't be as sarcastic as Hawke was (which helped the fact I consider Hawke the queen of sarcasm, absolutely), I still find the Inquisitor waaay better than the warden, the dead fish with the zero personality and bland as a brick face. I prefer voiced protags with life and showing that on screen instead of just sitting there like a robot waiting for orders.
Seriously, it was 94% warden's fault for not enjoying the game.
So yeah, it depends on people's views. Some find Warden intersting, some not. Same with Hawke and the Inquisitor.
And since we're also talking about Mass Effect, Shepard was also done very well.
yeah me too loved the character
still think Hawke should have been the Inquisitor
I totally agree about Hawke. He should have been the Inquisitor. The thing is though, there are many players that are not fans of Hawke and would never have bought the game because of that.
I totally agree about Hawke. He should have been the Inquisitor. The thing is though, there are many players that are not fans of Hawke and would never have bought the game because of that.
I have no doubt the hatred that would erupt as a result of this would somehow fuel my love of the game.
DAI would've been a very different game if Sarcastic Hawke led the Inquisition.
I have no doubt the hatred that would erupt as a result of this would somehow fuel my love of the game.
I would have cried myself to sleep.
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I suppose one positive side effect of Hawke Inky would be that I wouldn't be abandoning him to die -every time- in the fade! Honestly, though, I think I would have been fine with Hawke Inky, but that said I am glad they went the route they did simply because I had a blast playing my female qunari mage.
Regarding the voice actors, I quickly determined that dwarf and qunari get American while human and elf get British. Just fits better.
DAI would've been a very different game if Sarcastic Hawke led the Inquisition.
I certainly would've gotten a kick out of it, though Hawke as the Inquisitor would also mean a very tragic end for most of the previous companions to account for the introduction of the new cast. The fan tears would have been saltier than the Dead Sea. I'm actually torn on how much I would have liked or hated this. I don't want the companions to die (namely Isabela), and I was getting kind of tired of the world basically sh*tting on Hawke's doorstep, but I would also have loved to see this character finally take control of something and have power enough to stomp someone else for a change.
Haha, Hawke being the Inquisitor meant that Corypheus would have won. He saved no one, he saved nothing. He could barely keep his city standing. He was such a shitty character in terms of story development. Yeah I liked his one-liners, especially if you played as a huge c**t. But that was it, you were either boring-good, stupidly evil or just a complete d*ckh*ad. I like the Warden the best, he/she could be funny without being a complete tool.
I think it's all about how you build from what is presented.
Where people see dullness, I see nuances. The Inquisitor can be nice, flippant/ask-questions-type or direct and down to business. Sometimes, depending on the context of the conversation, the wheel turns into caring, sarcastic, insensitive. It's all there for me and personally I am a fan of the PC voice actors, they did a good job considering I assume the Inquisitor was written with a lot more restraint than Hawke, what with everyone complaining about Hawke (I still don't get this, sarcastic Hawke is best ever).
I don't want to go back to the blank faced, silent, doll-like Warden pls.
I think it's all about how you build from what is presented.
Where people see dullness, I see nuances. The Inquisitor can be nice, flippant/ask-questions-type or direct and down to business. Sometimes, depending on the context of the conversation, the wheel turns into caring, sarcastic, insensitive. It's all there for me and personally I am a fan of the PC voice actors, they did a good job considering I assume the Inquisitor was written with a lot more restraint than Hawke, what with everyone complaining about Hawke (I still don't get this, sarcastic Hawke is best ever).
I don't want to go back to the blank faced, silent, doll-like Warden pls.
Silent protagonist allowed for more reply choices allowing for a better character development. Especially if you are used to silent protagonists, I feel like I'm getting old. But I never needed them to speak, growing up in the 90s meant you imagined the voices your character took and you weren't left with hollow flat male-Hawke type voice acting.
For me:
1) Silent Warden
2) "Bland" Inquisitor
3) Hawke
About a hundred miles below all three:
4) Shepard
When it comes to dictating my character - less is more. I'll tell myself what I think my character "means" or what his "intentions" are or how he "feels" or the "tone" in his voice.
Haha, Hawke being the Inquisitor meant that Corypheus would have won. He saved no one, he saved nothing. He could barely keep his city standing.
The thing that's really funny about this is that people are quick to dismiss the fact that of the three protagonists we've gotten so far, Hawke is the only one that was forced to operate without formal support from anyone anywhere. Just look at what she had to deal with:
An ineffectual, spineless Viscount.
Qunari zealots that tear through the streets over a lousy book.
A lying companion that kept the very thing that could have solved that problem earlier on.
A corrupt city guard and a useless guard-captain that couldn't help you when it really counted
Useless Templars that can't keep anyone in check.
A mad Knight-Commander who cannot be reasoned with.
A shady First Enchanter who is of no use to anyone.
Bloodmages. Bloodmages everywhere.
A Grand Cleric that was infuriatingly neutral and just spouted useless platitudes to the bitter end.
And a terrorist freedom-fighting potentially former companion that decided to just blow **** up, even if you gave him the boot years prior.
Not even the Warden had to deal with this. Much of the character's power came from the fact that factions were lining up to rally to the cause against the Blight, of course after you did their errands. It was super convenient that just about no one of importance was taking Loghain's declaration of the Wardens as outlaws seriously, not even that minor character Templar in Lothering.
The best part though is that Hawke can beat Corypheus in direct combat, but just couldn't counter his ability to jump from one blighted creature to another. Even if she decided to kill Larius or Janeka, he would have just transferred over to anything carrying the Blight within reach.
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Haha, Hawke being the Inquisitor meant that Corypheus would have won. He saved no one, he saved nothing. He could barely keep his city standing. He was such a shitty character in terms of story development. Yeah I liked his one-liners, especially if you played as a huge c**t. But that was it, you were either boring-good, stupidly evil or just a complete d*ckh*ad. I like the Warden the best, he/she could be funny without being a complete tool.
lol no he couldn't stop **** in DA2 (Corypheus, Mage Templar) because they were obviously going to make Hawke the Inquisitor so that he would solve all that in Inquisition
DA2 was just the tragic (extended) origin story
Hawke was the best part of DA2 and because of people like you they made the Inquisitor so bland and boring
sure they went the extreme route in DA2 with Hawke having no control at all BUT the Inquisitor is far worse in my opinion
he always succeds at everything and Corypheus is barely a threat after Haven
he gets everything handed to him/her without any consequence and thats just lame
lol no he couldn't stop **** in DA2 (Corypheus, Mage Templar) because they were obviously going to make Hawke the Inquisitor so that he would solve all that in Inquisition
DA2 was just the tragic (extended) origin story
Hawke was the best part of DA2 and because of people like you they made the Inquisitor so bland and boring
sure they went the extreme route in DA2 with Hawke having no control at all BUT the Inquisitor is far worse in my opinion
he always succeds at everything and Corypheus is barely a threat after Haven
he gets everything handed to him/her without any consequence and thats just lame
Well I'm glad, now I get to be a dwarf.
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The thing that's really funny about this is that people are quick to dismiss the fact that of the three protagonists we've gotten so far, Hawke is the only one that was forced to operate without formal support from anyone anywhere. Just look at what she had to deal with:
An ineffectual, spineless Viscount.
Qunari zealots that tear through the streets over a lousy book.
A lying companion that kept the very thing that could have solved that problem earlier on.
A corrupt city guard and a useless guard-captain that couldn't help you when it really counted
Useless Templars that can't keep anyone in check.
A mad Knight-Commander who cannot be reasoned with.
A shady First Enchanter who is of no use to anyone.
Bloodmages. Bloodmages everywhere.
A Grand Cleric that was infuriatingly neutral and just spouted useless platitudes to the bitter end.
And a
terroristfreedom-fighting potentially former companion that decided to just blow **** up, even if you gave him the boot years prior.
Not even the Warden had to deal with this. Much of the character's power came from the fact that factions were lining up to rally to the cause against the Blight, of course after you did their errands. It was super convenient that just about no one of importance was taking Loghain's declaration of the Wardens as outlaws seriously, not even that minor character Templar in Lothering.
The best part though is that Hawke can beat Corypheus in direct combat, but just couldn't counter his ability to jump from one blighted creature to another. Even if she decided to kill Larius or Janeka, he would have just transferred over to anything carrying the Blight within reach.
exactly Hawke(going to refer to Hawke as him) was never the problem
Hawke always tried his best in DA2 but the world around Hawke was just so **** and out for chaos that he couldn't stop it
if he was actually the Inquisitor (who got handed everything to him) I'm pretty sure Hawke would have solved all the conflicts and defeated Corypheus
The thing that's really funny about this is that people are quick to dismiss the fact that of the three protagonists we've gotten so far, Hawke is the only one that was forced to operate without formal support from anyone anywhere. Just look at what she had to deal with:
An ineffectual, spineless Viscount.
Qunari zealots that tear through the streets over a lousy book.
A lying companion that kept the very thing that could have solved that problem earlier on.
A corrupt city guard and a useless guard-captain that couldn't help you when it really counted
Useless Templars that can't keep anyone in check.
A mad Knight-Commander who cannot be reasoned with.
A shady First Enchanter who is of no use to anyone.
Bloodmages. Bloodmages everywhere.
A Grand Cleric that was infuriatingly neutral and just spouted useless platitudes to the bitter end.
And a
terroristfreedom-fighting potentially former companion that decided to just blow **** up, even if you gave him the boot years prior.
Not even the Warden had to deal with this. Much of the character's power came from the fact that factions were lining up to rally to the cause against the Blight, of course after you did their errands. It was super convenient that just about no one of importance was taking Loghain's declaration of the Wardens as outlaws seriously, not even that minor character Templar in Lothering.
The best part though is that Hawke can beat Corypheus in direct combat, but just couldn't counter his ability to jump from one blighted creature to another. Even if she decided to kill Larius or Janeka, he would have just transferred over to anything carrying the Blight within reach.
While I agree with you to a large degree, I must defend the many parties in the game in that the different parties were much more complicated than shown here. For example Aveline, of whom not a negative word is to be said, was shown to be a really effective head to the guard, it's just that the guard was not there to be a magical solution to everything.
There are two things that always amuse me/make me think when I read comments on how ineffectual Hawke was. First is the narrative itself, as DA2 being not only a tragedy, was also why something happened, whereas DAO and DAI are stories of what happened. Because of that, we get to see a lot of issues build up and take place during the game, which thus cannot be avoided, where in DAO/DAI we always arrived after everything had happened and all that remained was to clean up the place as there was magically always a powerful side who had a complete solution to the issue at hand. Take the Orlesian civil war as an example. Yeah, the Inquisitor solved it by attending a ball, walking around and just basically being constantly simple clear solutions to it.
Second, DA2 attempted, and in my opinion largely succeeded, in telling a more mature and darker story where killing everything was not a good way to solve anything, where the politics and forces affecting the city were so complicated and powerful that there was no simple silver bullet to take care of it and where almost all the antagonistic forces are driven by deeply held convictions for which they remain true to, instead of allowing that moment of proving them hypocrites to the world. What is the result? Threads crying out how Bioware games have lost their darkness and maturity in addition to threads complaining how ineffectual Hawke was despite the many things they actually do achieve in the game.
Shepard was a blander protagonist. Revan was a blander protagonist. And any personality the warden may have is due solely to speculation on their inflection in how they speak. Because going off their facial expressions in conversations, as well as body language, the warden delivers every line in a monotone that'd make a tranquil look like Dane Cook.
For me:
1) Silent Warden
2) "Bland" Inquisitor
3) Hawke
About a hundred miles below all three:
4) Shepard
When it comes to dictating my character - less is more. I'll tell myself what I think my character "means" or what his "intentions" are or how he "feels" or the "tone" in his voice.
Until the character you're speaking to reacts in a manner indicative of the Warden's tone perhaps being off.
>Chooses a simple "no" in a conversation, doesn't intend to offend whoever I'm talking to
>The person I'm talking to flips out and tells the Warden to stop being an a**hole
Because the Inquisitor has zero backround and the introduction of him/her is very weak. She appears out of thin air...and becomes a hero overnight while Hawke had to work his way up the ranks.
The Inquisitor is just as bad as your rift magic trainer: Who are you ? I'm the inquisitor.. What do you do ? I am the Inqusitor.
So after 2 runs I have to say that Hawke should have been the Inquisitor... had a backround, we were already familiar with the character, it would have added a great continuity to the second game and everything would have made much more sense.
But know we had a bland character who appears out of thin air without any backround except for a bland text origin story that makes no sense whatsoever(exceoption:human noble mage). This is why I have a real hard time caring and liking my character.
Shepard was hardly a bland character. Dude had swagger beyond belief, at least Renegade Shep does. The Warden can't deliver lines so if they sound monotone it's all in your own head. I admit that I don't like the deadpan look of the warden though. Which makes Hawke and Shepard my two favorite PCs to play. They have both the voice and attitude, the way they move, the way they speak is perfect for me. I can work off of them as they give me something real to shape. Shepard perhaps moreso than Hawke because I was able to be more of an anti hero. With Hawke, even though I love the anti hero type, I had no problems playing the funny hero with the merry band of misfits vibe. He reminded me so much of Cary Elwes from Men in Tights.
Because the Inquisitor has zero backround
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You said the Inquisitor has no background, which is patently false. Every race has its own background for non-mages, and mages (at least the human mage, I haven't played elf or Qunari mage) have their own origins.
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