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[Il Divo]

Oh dear, he called me dumb. My self esteem is shattered by this revelation. How ever will I go on without the good opinion of the anonymous interweb poster who castigated me so?

 

 

Excessive drinking always helps at times like this, I find. 

[Shelled]

Consumers who bought the copy are mostly on the console side, that is a fact.

14,3mio on console vs 3,67mio on PC. All of these are hard copies of course. Digital is not included. But then again, there were no digital coies sold on consoles.

 

But I doubt that all of the sold copies hard copies or digital can even dream to rival all the pirated copies that are around on PC's!

I would not be surprised if something like 20mio PC-gamers frequented a torrent site for that thing!

 

Here are some numbers: http://www.vgchartz....s=0&results=200

It's not digital... yes and everyone that plays on steam plays digital lol.... I don't know for a fact but I would be genuinely surprised if skyrim sold more to console players than pc players. Like you said, they don't include digital sales and the vast majority of pc players buy their games digitally so.... you do the math.

[otis0310]

I'd give my left arm if some rich tycoon came in, bought EA and fired the whole upper manaegement and disband the board of directors.  Put the former heads of Bioware in charge and maybe Richard Garriot from Origin Systems which EA destroyed and other people who actually care more about the product.  Turn the whole goddamn company around.

 

A man can dream, can't he?

[Il Divo]

I'd give my left arm if some rich tycoon came in, bought EA and fired the whole upper manaegement and disband the board of directors.  Put the former heads of Bioware in charge and maybe Richard Garriot from Origin Systems which EA destroyed and other people who actually care more about the product.  Turn the whole goddamn company around.

 

A man can dream, can't he?

 

They'd probably end up near bankruptcy again then be bought out by Microsoft. 

 

Of course, even with Bioware "in charge", their games might not go the route that some people here would like to think. 

[otis0310]

Perhaps but I am sick to death of this whole dumbing down games to appeal to victims of a stroke.  Not to mention that EA seems to be, for the most part, leading the charge when it comes to that.

 

And of course they have a horrible disconnection with their customer base.  They make design decision that are supposed to make the game appeal to new people  They also make these decisions based on, what appears to me anyways, not customer feedback and actual market research, but pure conjecture and assumption. 

 

For instance, Frank Gabeau saying that everyone likes online games therefore everything from the Sims to Dragon Age must have an online component.

Now we get this BS that games are too complex.

 

I am thinking they never actually listened to their customers, and I doubt they did any market research or if they did, most certainly not outside the tween market.  Most gamers are about 35 not 15, maybe they should adjust their market research accordingly.  Or, as I think might be the case, actually look into things and stop just making it up.

 

I swear, if they went under it would only be a good thing for the whole industry.

[Bioware-Critic]

It's not digital... yes and everyone that plays on steam plays digital lol.... I don't know for a fact but I would be genuinely surprised if skyrim sold more to console players than pc players. Like you said, they don't include digital sales and the vast majority of pc players buy their games digitally so.... you do the math.

 

There is no ... math ... to be done here. We have the numbers for hard copies and are missing the numbers for digital sales.

If someone can provide the digital sales numbers we are good! Until then - we can guess ...

I know people who have several hard copies of Skyrim for their PC, no digital copies and do play over steam. And I know people, me included, who hate steam and rather go shopping on TPB than to frequent the old "steam-plant" ... And I would argue that many people don't like steam and add to the "skyrim-shopping-frenzy" on torrent sites for that reason alone

I play on console, mostly, and I would be very surprised if PC sales numbers beat the console sales numbers and that you, shelled, just like me, don't know if the vast majority of people play skyrim with a digital copy, or with ... and here comes the important part ... a digital copy that they bought!

 

I would argue that the publishers don't tell us the digital sales numbers to us to hide from us how much profit they made and how that compares to the production cost and the (maybe too short) developement time. But that is just a guess of mine ...

[Bioware-Critic]

I'd give my left arm if some rich tycoon came in, bought EA and fired the whole upper manaegement and disband the board of directors.  Put the former heads of Bioware in charge and maybe Richard Garriot from Origin Systems which EA destroyed and other people who actually care more about the product.  Turn the whole goddamn company around.

 

A man can dream, can't he?

 

You have beautiful thoughts

[Dean_the_Young]

Excessive drinking always helps at times like this, I find. 

 

Define 'excessive.' Is this more than I normally drink, or more than would generally be considered socially unacceptable?

[Il Divo]

Perhaps but I am sick to death of this whole dumbing down games to appeal to victims of a stroke.  Not to mention that EA seems to be, for the most part, leading the charge when it comes to that.

 

 

Granted, EA has a bad habit of making stupid comments, but this is usually the part where I point out Bioware's own tendency, pre-EA, to remove a lot of these "smart elements" (and I use the phrase loosely) from their games. 

 

-Neverwinter Nights saw the systematic removal of party-based combat and the introduciton of paid dlc. 

-KotOR annihilated Vancian Casting, the tactical camera, and had combat encounters that were easy enough to never take control of another character through the entire game.

-Jade Empire.....'nuff said.

-Mass Effect delved into being a "Gears of War" clone, with some mediocre attempts at a leveling system/inventory mechanics.

 

And this is all before EA's "buy out". What we have seen is a consistent emphasis on dialogue/narrative/character interactions. Do I know for a 100% fact that this is the game Bioware wants to make? No, but they certainly have set a certain precedent even before EA took over. 

 

 And of course they have a horrible disconnection with their customer base.  They make design decision that are supposed to make the game appeal to new people  They also make these decisions based on, what appears to me anyways, not customer feedback and actual market research, but pure conjecture and assumption. 

 

 

Then I'm curious about what "market research" you yourself have done to support this claim. Bioware has shown, multiple times, that they listen to some customer feedback. Their response simply doesn't always take the exact form that people enjoy.

 

What were some of the complaints about DA2? Race restrictions, lack of companion customization, bland/repetitive environments, lack of important decision-making in its narrative. Pretty sure all four of those were addressed, as an example. 

 

I swear, if they went under it would only be a good thing for the whole industry.

 

 

Meh, "the industry". All it would mean is gamers would be out of AAA narrative-heavy RPGs. Good luck to anyone finding any developers (outside CDPR) doing the same. Obsidian, I suppose? 

 

It's odd because every time a new Bioware game ships, we get a new crew of players demanding Bioware's heads merely for making a game they dislike. But one of the largest video game controversies in recent history (Retake Mass Effect 3) was not due to any sort of rage over gameplay....it was due to its ending. Honestly, this really is normal level of "noise" for a post Bioware release and it's a pattern that is constantly repeating. 

[Bioware-Critic]

• They make design decision that are supposed to make the game appeal to new people  They also make these decisions based on, what appears to me anyways, not customer feedback and actual market research, but pure conjecture and assumption.
• Now we get this BS that games are too complex.
• I am thinking they never actually listened to their customers, and I doubt they did any market research or if they did, most certainly not outside the tween market.  Most gamers are about 35 not 15, maybe they should adjust their market research accordingly.  Or, as I think might be the case, actually look into things and stop just making it up.
• I swear, if they went under it would only be a good thing for the whole industry.

 

Exactly!

 

They are spitballin' ...

 

And I think they are proud about the FACT that they don't know the first thing about video games!

 

They wanna sell! They don't care what they sell ... or how ...

 

All the goals they shoot for ... only exist in their head ... and nothing they speculate about is based on real world facts!

[Il Divo]

Define 'excessive.' Is this more than I normally drink, or more than would generally be considered socially unacceptable?

 

Let's go with more than you normally drink. You strike me as the type who can kill a bottle of vodka solo and still act completely sober. 

[SkyKing]

What a F$%% moron the EA executive is! Ok, have the next game a 5 hour cutscene, everything automatic since it's too hard for his dumarse brain!  

I guess his target audience is FIRST TIME rpg gamers.  If a game is over 100 hours, have no problem spending a couple hours learning it.   Most people don't even touch an rpg unless they have a couple hours to kill.   

 

If it's a few minutes here or there, then it's very casual.  If you want those games then play pong, sonic, street fighter, etc.  

 

I hope EA goes under because of that dumbarse.  

[Realmzmaster]

I'd give my left arm if some rich tycoon came in, bought EA and fired the whole upper manaegement and disband the board of directors.  Put the former heads of Bioware in charge and maybe Richard Garriot from Origin Systems which EA destroyed and other people who actually care more about the product.  Turn the whole goddamn company around.

 

A man can dream, can't he?

 

Let me know when you find that tycoon who has $17 billion to part with. EA has 310 million shares outstanding. Stock price is $55 a share.  Bill Gates or Microsoft or a wealthy group may be in a position to buy EA. There are very few individuals that could.

[HTTP 404]

in the article, he is talking about new players not us.  I don't know why this is so hard to understand.   But I suppose people can read more into a statement if they like.  

[SkyKing]

All EA games from now on will be for ages 2+.  If they can stand up, then they should be able to play the game.  They are loosing millions of dollars because the games aren't easy enough for 2 year olds or the executives with the intelligence of a 2 year old to play.  

[Bioware-Critic]

in the article, he is talking about new players not us. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. But I suppose people can read more into a statement if they like.

Well if you would make use of your imagination too - which you should in this case - you would come to the same conclusion we have:

If that EA guy and his brain dead buddies dumb down an entire game (which can be the only result) for newbies ...
... what do you think will be there at the next title launch for us to play around with?

Exactly! The same dumbed down BS that these guys will try to sell to some newbies who cannot comprehend what a VG even is ...

Now you tell me why this shouldn't concern me!

[AlanC9]

So the hysteria is based on imagination rather than what the guy actually said? Yeah, that was kind of my take on it too.

[Il Divo]

So the hysteria is based on imagination rather than what the guy actually said? Yeah, that was kind of my take on it too.

 

I remember a couple years back watching a buddy of mine, who had little to no experience with games, take a crack at Deus Ex: Human Revolution with a stealth playthrough. I had done my first playthrough only a month earlier and couldn't fathom how he couldn't grasp the most basic aspects of stealth. 

 

I sometimes forget how playing video games constantly makes learning new video games ten times easier than it might be for someone else. I still think the article has scary implications if taken to the extreme, but I've seen people deal with exactly what he's talking about. 

[Bioware-Critic]

@AlanC9

AlanC9 wrote in posting #317 of this thread:

"So the hysteria is based on imagination rather than what the guy actually said? Yeah, that was kind of my take on it too."

You are so bad at your job!
No wonder you work for EA

... you know this derailing threads and honest discussions ... twisting other peoples words around ...
... to make every shortcoming of a bioware games look good and to make anyone who criticises them look bad ...


Every fan here at the BSN knows to take the criticism we write with a grain of salt because we are all different. Yet all the EA employees, like you and others, try to make this look different and most of all you guys try to make it look different from the outside!

Which is in no way obvious, really ... You really are masters of stealth ... I have to say!

For people who have just come on here to browse around the forum a bit and get some infos and then leave the site after they have what they came for. For everyone who is just a bit curious and does not stay so long on here and who does not read the entire threads and gets to know the people here it must be looking as if ... you and your EA buddies are the only posters that write something that a non-forumite person can relate to ...

Well, all I can say is: "It is morally wrong to do that!"


But hey, if I am wrong here ... then I am wrong, of course!

[Dean_the_Young]

Let's go with more than you normally drink. You strike me as the type who can kill a bottle of vodka solo and still act completely sober. 

 

[Il Divo]

Thank you, Dean. I'd forgotten what fear feels like. 

[Nefla]

Let me know when you find that tycoon who has $17 billion to part with. EA has 310 million shares outstanding. Stock price is $55 a share.  Bill Gates or Microsoft or a wealthy group may be in a position to buy EA. There are very few individuals that could.

Man, If I were some incredibly wealthy eccentric with extra time on my hands I'd just start my own game company and hand pick all the employees

[The Hierophant]

Man, If I were some incredibly wealthy eccentric with extra time on my hands I'd just start my own game company and hand pick all the employees 

Me? I'd start my own porn production company.

[Sidney]

Man, If I were some incredibly wealthy eccentric with extra time on my hands I'd just start my own game company and hand pick all the employees

..and then realize that you can't keep paying all those developers selling games that only a dozen malcontents on the BSN want to buy.

[Dean_the_Young]

Thank you, Dean. I'd forgotten what fear feels like. 

 

Get me drunk some time and I'll teach you better.