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[Kinom001]

Great then just agree with me instead of all the mumbo jumbo.  Bioware needs to make an adjustment bottom line.

Actually, I don't agree. You're wanting to nerf based on the performance of 5% of the community. Not everyone can perform at that level. As I said, I see plenty of AW's getting ganked by ranged enemies.

 

Why don't you play the AW some and let me know what you're outcome is against Venatori and Templar archers. If you can solo Perilous with the AW then, sure, I'll say it needs to be nerfed...but not until you do it.

[smooth_operator]

Actually, I don't agree. You're wanting to nerf based on the performance of 5% of the community. Not everyone can perform at that level. As I said, I see plenty of AW's getting ganked by ranged enemies.

 

Why don't you play the AW some and let me know what you're outcome is against Venatori and Templar archers. If you can solo Perilous with the AW then, sure, I'll say it needs to be nerfed...but not until you do it.

 

Makes no sense that you would change your opinion if I do it after claiming you wouldnt because only 5% can do it.  I'll just ask you this question though, do you think it's fair to have a perpetuating barrier fueled by constant high damage attacks?  You're basically being encouraged to be selfish because that's how your barriers are generated and you can't die. Not to mention the other abilities that only compliment and makes things easier.  If you think that build is fair then that says all I need to know about you.

 

I will make my opinion clear that I don't think it's fair and has a lot of potential for abuse, and thats exactly what players are doing. 

[Catastrophy]

 

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Also note, if you are a melee based AW and you have the threat reduction perk, **** you.  

[DBR87]

Smooth_Operator, may I ask what your Prestige score is? Or how about telling us how much Constitution/Willpower/Cunning you have? It just seems like you haven't been playing this game long enough to see that while the Arcane Warrior is arguably the best "all-around" character, he isn't so much better other classes can't compete.

 

I have seen Elementalist and Necromancers solo room 5 perilous. They both get large heal on kill passives, high damage AoE attacks, and access to Anti One-Shot passives. A lot of classes can out score Arcane Warrior. Archer being the number one. I have been in matches where Reaver ROFL Stomps the entire game while my templar picks up gold.

 

Yes, Arcane Warrior doesn't require as much gear as Archers, Reavers, Elementalist, or whatever to do what they can do, too, but it's not like picking Cillian is the only way to out score/out kill Cillian. :/

[Arnold Friend]

I don't understand what is going on here.  I pug most of the time (if it matters my inquisition level is a touch over 250), and I haven't experienced the AW "problem".

 

If a player is running at a pace you don't like then either vote kick him or find another lobby.  Start your own lobby?  

 

I'm not really sure that players are all that concerned with the post game medals.  On my archer, I've recently taken to hanging back a bit just to keep the reavers, assassins, alchemists happy with targets to kill.  If I'm not #1 in the end, IDRGAS; anything I needed to prove re: kill shots was done in the first few promotions.  Maybe I could see getting a little competitive with someone in the group if they are playing the same class as me, but aside from that I just don't get it.

 

When I play my AW, it feels like easy mode.  It is almost like the devs intentionally created a character to prop up bad players, so instead of getting upset when someone is ripping it up on an AW, mentally I just give them a condescending pat on the head and say "Yup, you really ARE the best, Timmy!".  It almost seems cruel to remind the kids in special ed that they are handicapped.  I couldn't imagine feeling envious of them.

 

And yes, sure, a skilled player can perform wonders with an AW.  While I certainly don't count myself among them, I imagine they are bored while doing so.

[Kinom001]

Makes no sense that you would change your opinion if I do it after claiming you wouldnt because only 5% can do it.  I'll just ask you this question though, do you think it's fair to have a perpetuating barrier fueled by constant high damage attacks?  You're basically being encouraged to be selfish because that's how your barriers are generated and you can't die. Not to mention the other abilities that only compliment and makes things easier.  If you think that build is fair then that says all I need to know about you.

 

I will make my opinion clear that I don't think it's fair and has a lot of potential for abuse, and thats exactly what players are doing. 

hah. I never changed my opinion. My point is that you balance a kit based on the performance of 95% of the player base. If 95% of the base can't roflstomp...well, it seems self explanatory.

 

Look, AW has no armor and, up until promotions began to make a difference, is a paper tiger. It wasn't until I managed to get my constitution stats up some that I began to actually find the AW more durable. Up until then archers would make pudding out of him. I still see players having their AW faceplant when they can't generate barrier.

 

If the AW could cast barrier, instead of generating it, then, yes, that'd be a nerfable condition.

[smooth_operator]

hah. I never changed my opinion. My point is that you balance a kit based on the performance of 95% of the player base. If 95% of the base can't roflstomp...well, it seems self explanatory.

 

Look, AW has no armor and, up until promotions began to make a difference, is a paper tiger. It wasn't until I managed to get my constitution stats up some that I began to actually find the AW more durable. Up until then archers would make pudding out of him. I still see players having their AW faceplant when they can't generate barrier.

 

If the AW could cast barrier, instead of generating it, then, yes, that'd be a nerfable condition.

 

Generating the barrier is the same as casting the barrier for the AW.  Cast one lightning spell, BOOM barrier generated.  Any questions?

[Scraps_in_Wales]

Smooth operator - press <shift> or left-thumbstick to run, then you can keep up with that AW.

 

*And honestly guys, always check the 'have to turned it off and on again' approach first.

[smooth_operator]

Smooth operator - press <shift> or left-thumbstick to run, then you can keep up with that AW.

 

*And honestly guys, always check the 'have to turned it off and on again' approach first.

 

It's hard to keep up with a spamming fade step AW. 

[DBR87]

Generating the barrier is the same as casting the barrier for the AW.  Cast one lightning spell, BOOM barrier generated.  Any questions?

 

Considering barrier generation is 30% of the damage you do, one would have to have deity tier Willpower to generate a full barrier off of chain lightning. Most I can generate off that skill is 50% barrier, which can be taken down with a line up of 5 archers on Perilous.

 

I seriously think you have run into AW's with 400+ Prestige if you're acting like this. Still curious to know what you're prestige score is because if you're archer can't out score an AW thinking you have yet to get some gear.

[TheSpookyAce]

It's hard to keep up with a spamming fade step AW. 

Play some more, get some top of the line equipment, learn how to play other characters effectively, and you will probably change your mind. AW is the most noob/pug/solo friendly character, but not the top character for perilous speedrunning among experienced players.

[smooth_operator]

Considering barrier generation is 30% of the damage you do, one would have to have deity tier Willpower to generate a full barrier off of chain lightning. Most I can generate off that skill is 50% barrier, which can be taken down with a line up of 5 archers on Perilous.

 

I seriously think you have run into AW's with 400+ Prestige if you're acting like this. Still curious to know what you're prestige score is because if you're archer can't out score an AW thinking you have yet to get some gear.

 

ahh but you don't have to have a full barrier generated, just enough to get you to enemies so that you can sustain the effect. 

[DanakV]

There are quite a few classes that I would much rather see join my Perilous lobby than an Arcane Warrior.  I'm far from the most experienced poster on this forum, but I really think that the OP is overestimating the speed with which the AW can clear zones.  Sure, the AW is extremely easy to play safely even with terrible gear; this is the reason why threads like this started appearing almost immediately after launch.

 

Honestly who cares if random people can easily solo Perilous on an AW?  Plenty of classes can do the same (just not as easily, obviously).  I'm far less interested in the solo potential than I am team dynamics when it comes to balance in a co-op game.

 

I don't know that I'd really call the AW in need of serious re-balancing.  Safe?  Yes.  Easy?  Yes.  Boring?  Oh yes.

[DBR87]

ahh but you don't have to have a full barrier generated, just enough to get you to enemies so that you can sustain the effect. 

 

Dude, I agree that Arcane Warrior is 2stronk, however, I played this game on XBox One lone enough to know that they are not as invincible as you make them seem to be. A firing line of Archers on perilous will end you, even with that 50% barrier up. In fact, I on occasion play with Medallion X. He's like No. 4 on the Xbox Live leader boards and he plays Arcane Warrior. I've been in matches where is AW failed to carry us through Zone 5 when he is the last man standing. That guy's stats are like 90Con/60Cun/70Will or something absurd. Again, I outscored him with my Archer before.

 

Get some promos under your belt and a level 20 bow and I assure you this: You can and WILL out score a AW.

[smooth_operator]

Dude, I agree that Arcane Warrior is 2stronk, however, I played this game on XBox One lone enough to know that they are not as invincible as you make them seem to be. A firing line of Archers on perilous will end you, even with that 50% barrier up. In fact, I on occasion play with Medallion X. He's like No. 4 on the Xbox Live leader boards and he plays Arcane Warrior. I've been in matches where is AW failed to carry us through Zone 5 when he is the last man standing. That guy's stats are like 90Con/60Cun/70Will or something absurd. Again, I outscored him with my Archer before.

 

Get some promos under your belt and a level 20 bow and I assure you this: You can and WILL out score a AW.

 

90Con/60Cun/70Wi  

 

That blows my mind.  Seriously you must be skipping sleep, eating, showering and wiping your own ass to build up a character that much in only a couple months.

[DBR87]

90Con/60Cun/70Wi  

 

That blows my mind.  Seriously you must be skipping sleep, eating, showering and wiping your own ass to build up a character that much in only a couple months.

 

Not me, Medallion. Apparently he left the military with some issues... I just got off active duty in the US Marine Corps myself, and yeah, almost died but whatever he went through apparently gave him a sleeping disorder and now he plays MP a lot. :/

 

Either way, a good bow like Punched By the Maker and you can one shot groups with an Archer from a distance.

[smooth_operator]

Not me, Medallion. Apparently he left the military with some issues... I just got off active duty in the US Marine Corps myself, and yeah, almost died but whatever he went through apparently gave him a sleeping disorder and now he plays MP a lot. :/

 

Either way, a good bow like Punched By the Maker and you can one shot groups with an Archer from a distance.

 

I am glad that both of you got out alive. May the rest of your days be filled with peace and joy.

[Eldial3los]

I don't understand people that have difficulty with AW on perilous even with low promotion.  (First solo, I had like 6-7 willpower, 5-6 cons and maybe 5-6 cunning)

 

You spam the same rotation again and again at every zone. For TC, you do the same crap  stop when you think he is about to go full spin and run around him cast lightning strike. (It takes more time but you can easily kite him to death)

 

1. Stand behind object closest possible (They can't snipe you)

2. Turn the camera little side way so u can cast pull of the abyss on the group of mobs

3. Right away Frost step through the middle of the group you just used abyss on (Should hit most of them)

4. Swing Your spirit blade to full barrier

5. IF you get knockdown and your barrier is low, as soon as you stand up cast Lightning strike (To fully recharge barrier again)

6. By now most of your skill are off cool down, rinse and repeat until everything is dead.

 

If you have fury of the veil, veil strike chance makes it even easier (Seems to casts once every 1-2 minutes)

[Apl_Juice]

AWs kill too slow. They're invincible sure, but like MEMP, a skilled player will always run circles around a Krogan Vanguard or a Geth Juggernaut and still not die.

 

The metagame seems to be headed to a place where speed is king and dying means your terrible (and not in an opinion way, you have to be doing something wrong to be dying with hundreds of promotions). AWs can pull a group together with PotA, sure, but Spirit Blade simply doesn't kill fast. Walking Bomb, Exploding Arrow, Long Shot, or clustered Twin Fangs, and such will all tear apart groups like that far quicker than Spirit Blade. As far as I'm concerned, PotA is all AW is good for. His "OPness" is simply not very valuable, especially in a group. And a trained monkey can solo with AW, so no one cares about that.

 

Also, this: https://www.youtube....h?v=EitZRLt2G3w

[Eldial3los]

speed killing when you have 50+ promo points in each stats + private group is one thing, speed killing in pub game with no aw or keeper is another.

 

Aw in pub game is the safe bet most of the time simply because you can choke a point and aggro everything (safely) while you Archers kills everything or other mages

 

Obviously if you have enough pro points to boost your damage , health pool and defence than classes with more killing more will eventually become more op. But I'm betting that's only small portion of people currently

[smooth_operator]

AWs kill too slow. They're invincible sure, but like MEMP, a skilled player will always run circles around a Krogan Vanguard or a Geth Juggernaut and still not die.

 

The metagame seems to be headed to a place where speed is king and dying means your terrible (and not in an opinion way, you have to be doing something wrong to be dying with hundreds of promotions). AWs can pull a group together with PotA, sure, but Spirit Blade simply doesn't kill fast. Walking Bomb, Exploding Arrow, Long Shot, or clustered Twin Fangs, and such will all tear apart groups like that far quicker than Spirit Blade. As far as I'm concerned, PotA is all AW is good for. His "OPness" is simply not very valuable, especially in a group. And a trained monkey can solo with AW, so no one cares about that.

 

Also, this: https://www.youtube....h?v=EitZRLt2G3w

 

I was very good with my geth juggernaut.  I didnt have a primary weapon, and used the acolyte to take down shield, then destroy with the blast. I was close to immortal because of the shield recharge. I had some good equipment too.  Fun times. 

 

My most preferred character would have been a soldier with a maxed out harrier gun. I could only get level 4 harrier

[BeardyMcGoo]

When I first started I loved the idea of playing as an archer. I like the idea of using a bow and I wanted to get into that character. Well in this game they are useless, they can really only focus on one enemy at a time, weak dps and cannot take any hits.  You'll be sitting back like a sucker trying to snipe when the AW is clearing out massive mobs of enemies.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[McPartyson]

The people who say that the AW isn't OP aren't understanding that gear/stats just make Perilous easier, therefore, the AW's survivability skills become less and less useful with high gear/stats. The problem is Perilous. It doesn't make full use of Mages survivability/cc when geared/stated up. Stuff just dies too quick.

 

 

Gear/Stats go UP:

-Barrier/fade shield/cc - become less important

-DPS classes shine because they don't need to worry about survival as much now that they're geared/stated

-AW is still awesome

-Mages still great

 

Gear/Stats LOW:

-Barrier/fade shield/cc - very important

-DPS classes suck

-Warriors suck

-AW is the best

-Mages are great

 

You cannot argue there is a clear GAME IMBALANCE with Mages. They don't even need to use their full survivability in Perilous because DPS becomes a bigger concern when geared/stated. This cannot be said about other classes.

[Delta 57 Dash]

Uh, on the topic of the Archer and damage, Long Shot is insane.  So is Leaping Shot.  That is all.


On the topic of Arcane Warrior, he's going to be very tough to balance.