Qunari mage. The most unlikely herald saves the world.
Best Race/Class combination from a purely narrative point.
#27
Posté 07 février 2015 - 02:32
Human anything
Female Dalish mage
#28
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:48
For warriors, a human templar (considering the strong ties the trevelyans have to the chantry) or a dwarven champion would make great options too.
#29
Posté 07 février 2015 - 05:06
Human, class doesn't make that much of a difference, but maybe I'd give the slight edge to mage. The whole elf argument is vastly exaggerated. It's really only relevant to What Pride Has Wrought, and one mission doesn't qualify has the second half of the game, in my opinion.
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#30
Posté 07 février 2015 - 06:04
Also, being a human warrior means Corypheus, and ancient Magister of old, gets defeated by an uppity soporati. How is that not cool?
But being an elf means that you can get revenge for those countless numbers of elven slaves that were murdered at Corypheus's hands. I rather liked the poetic justice of it all.
Anyways, put me down as another person who thought that Female Elf/Rift Mage/Solasmance was an amazing way to experience the story. Being an apostate gives you a real personal stake in the initial mages vs templars story. And while you don't really have to do much religious soul-searching in the first half of the game, the second half keeps delivering hit after hit. It was very satisfying because my Inquisitor had been so sure of herself and her own faith, saying to anyone who asked that she wasn't the herald of Andraste, and feeling vindicated upon meeting spirit!Justinia in the Fade. But then she saw things that made her start to question what she thought she'd known (revelations about Red Crossing, Temple of Dirthamen). And that all came to a head at the temple of Mythal, and then afterwards when Solas told her about the Vallaslin (and broke her heart). Then, that final scene after the end credits made me reexamine everything I thought I knew. It was one hell of a first playthrough.
If anything, it's even better the second time around. Solas's true identity and the degree to which the elven gods are involved is masterfully foreshadowed, even in the first half of the game. Playing again, after knowing everything, really brought the game together for me.
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#31
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 06:22
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Human, class doesn't make that much of a difference, but maybe I'd give the slight edge to mage. The whole elf argument is vastly exaggerated. It's really only relevant to What Pride Has Wrought[snip]
And every area that takes place in the Dales - Exalted Plains, Emerald Graves, Emprise Du Lion, Halamshiral. And several explorable temples, such as the Temple of Dirthamen, Temple Solasan, etc. Heck, Skyhold turns out to have an ancient elven origin. (And you're in that most of the game.) Heck, the Orb that Corypheus carries that created the explosion and gave you the mark in the first place, and which you use to seal rifts and defeat Corypheus at the end, turns out to have ancient elven origin. (And that thing's relevant from beginning to end.)
and one mission doesn't qualify has the second half of the game, in my opinion.
It's not "one mission" so much as a whole chunk of the game. Several elven areas that add up to a sizable chunk of all the game's playable areas. An extended chain of missions that add up to a good chunk of the game's story - and toward the end when it's the most relevant and dramatic too.
What Pride Had Wrought turns out to be a long, involved quest with many facets. Search the Arbor Wilds, search the Temple of Mythal, encounter Abelas, talk with Morrigan about the Well of Sorrows, thwart Corypheus getting to the Well, go back to Skyhold, witness Morrigan's reunion with Flemeth and discover that Flemeth is actually Mythal, receive Mythal's assistance fighting Corypheus' dragon by using the magic of the Well to borrow a dragon of hers (either by traveling to another temple of Mythal's to summon and defeat it if you drank the well, or just have Morrigan scale up if she drank it), then confront Corypheus in a final showdown where you use the very ancient elven artifact he stole to send him to the Fade for good. It's not just "one mission" that's over and done like fetching blankets or ram meat.
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#32
Posté 07 février 2015 - 06:39
Heck, the Orb that Corypheus carries that created the explosion and gave you the mark in the first place, and which you use to seal rifts and defeat Corypheus at the end, turns out to have ancient elven origin. (And that thing's relevant from beginning to end.)
Not only that, but the mark that gives the Inquisitor the power to seal the rifts, and is the reason that they're so revered in the first place, is elven in origin. You could argue that you're more the herald of Fen'harel than the herald of Andraste.
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#33
Posté 07 février 2015 - 06:46
Okay, I'll admit I feel the story's best "meaning" is tied in with a female elf mage who romances Solas. I at least felt very invested when I played through with that character. The story had a real depth to it, like my girl was discovering her heritage, her own idealism, even as she was moving along. It felt really powerful a story from that sort of perspective.
But I've had an amazing blast playing a Dalish warrior who looks over at Corypheus and says:
Seriously, to be able to swing those pointy ears in the bad guy's face, this dude who's determined to prove himself so much superior to everyone and everything, with no magic, no incredible ability past sheer gumption and a heck of a lot of determination -- in ME terms, he's "got a quad" -- well, it's just fun.
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#34
Posté 07 février 2015 - 07:06
Funny how Solas's romance feels so tied into the main plot, yet his romance was pretty much squeezed in under the wire. Still, mad props to the DA team and Patrick Weekes for doing that.
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#35
Posté 07 février 2015 - 07:35
Human or elf, obviously, but between that it's really down to personal preference. For me, that's human because I don't actually find the elven lore very interesting or unique. The same can admittedly be said for the humans of Thedas, but the whole "leadership" and "messiah figure" angle just work so much better with a human, in my book. I like the idea of actively engaging with the "Herald of Andraste" plot as a conflicted, soul-searching believer from the word go instead of a character who doesn't want anything to do with it. It's both a personal and a wider angle, while the elf stuff is only personal. Anyone can be Andrastian or come to respect that faith, but it still makes the most sense for humans, especially with the Chantry ties that the Trevelyans have. Humans also have by far the most credible reason to be at the Conclave -- and to be allowed to be there.
Class-wise, I agree with the notion that it's very satisfying to defeat yet another manifestation of magic gone wrong and mage-supremacism as a "mere sleeper". Warrior it is for me, again because of the leadership angle -- especially as a champion, which means you inspire and lead, protect and fight from the front. You truly ARE the vanguard against Corpyheus and his minions.
So my top choice is human warrior (sword & board champion), with elven mage (rift mage or "arcane warrior"-wannabe) as a second, and no interest in dwarf or qunari at all. Romances don't figure into this since I dislike them almost as a rule, especially straight ones ... which means Solas holds zero appeal and in fact actively squicks me out because it seems so utterly unequal. Also, lore should never be "romance-gated" IMO.
Before any of his fans get mad, let me assure you that I am one, too.
Great character, very well written and acted, can make for a great friend and advisor. But the massive imbalance in power, age and experience would be a complete no-go even if I was into romance.
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#36
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 07:52
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Also, being a human warrior means Corypheus, and ancient Magister of old, gets defeated by an uppity soporati. How is that not cool?
Non-humans can also be non-mages. =/
But being an elf means that you can get revenge for those countless numbers of elven slaves that were murdered at Corypheus's hands. I rather liked the poetic justice of it all.
Seriously. And symbolically get revenge on all the elves enslaved by the Imperium. While Corypheus wasn't one of the ones responsible for conquering Arlathan, he was still one of the most powerful magisters during the height of the Imperium, is pretty much all but stated to symbolize everything wrong with the Imperium, and still sees elves as mere slaves and weaklings. (He even taunts a Lavellan about it during the final battle.)
I always felt like, when Corypheus attacks Haven and the Herald glares him down, Lavellan glaring defiantly seems to be on behalf of elves everywhere to the magister that symbolizes everything wrong with the Imperium. Also, when the Inquisitor defeats Corypheus in the final battle with the Orb and the Anchor, it again feels like the elf symbolically taking back the elven magic that Tevinter stole (most of their magic knowledge came from elves) and using it to show him "Who's the weakling now?"
But I've had an amazing blast playing a Dalish warrior who looks over at Corypheus and says:
Seriously, to be able to swing those pointy ears in the bad guy's face, this dude who's determined to prove himself so much superior to everyone and everything, with no magic, no incredible ability past sheer gumption and a heck of a lot of determination -- in ME terms, he's "got a quad" -- well, it's just fun.
I think you've got us all beat in this department. XD A "soporati" and an elf all in one.
There's definitely something to be said for a non-magic elf saying "F U!" to the ancient magister that was once a mage human. (Not only that, but one of the most powerful during the days when the Imperium was at the height of its power, and that symbolizes Tevinter at the height of its power.)
#37
Posté 07 février 2015 - 07:56
Human mage.
You actually have the best reason for being at the conclave, the distrust ("How dare you claim to be Andraste's herald with foul magic dripping from your hands!") fits better while not going to the wut levels it gets with the other races, you have a personal stake in the mage/templar war. All around it's just fitting.
The elven lore at the end of the game while interesting isn't what the game's about. You spend most of the game dealing with human problems and human politicking.
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#38
Posté 07 février 2015 - 08:12
I'd say Human Warrior and Dalish Mage are the two that make the most sense.
Though the cannon really should have been qunari or dwarf rouge since we've already had cannon human and elf and warrior and mage.
#39
Posté 07 février 2015 - 08:18
Hmm I am deciding between a human rogue or human mage at this point now. A rogue makes sense because the inquisition can be considered an intelligence network an with you being the one who has to mingle with others and gather info, it makes sense. Not to mention Rogues are generally smarter than warriors since they rely on speed and intelligence over brute strength. Mages are just mages and don't really need an explanation....
#40
Posté 07 février 2015 - 08:30
There's nothing inherently "smarter" about a mage or rogue, really. Magic is merely an accident of birth, and a rogue can just as easily be a thuggish criminal as a clever spy ... and a warrior can be a brilliant general and sophisticated ruler. A human warrior from a noble family with close Chantry ties is likely to be extremely well-educated in matters of history, politics, leadership, religion and -- since you're supposed to go into the templars -- probably also some magical lore.
#41
Posté 07 février 2015 - 08:42
The specializations of the warrior seem more fitted to fighting Cory though since your either fighting a monster by becoming a monster, becoming a defender of the innocent, or countering magic with your will.
Rouge specs just don't seem as useful for fighting Cory.
Assassins need to know their enemy and your pretty much fighting not seen before crystalline horrors or mage heavy armies that haven't been seen in ages.
Tempest, in all honestly alchemy seems like a poor man's magic when it comes to quick action effects.
Sabetour, just seems weird that traps and mechanisms designed already for fighting mundane armies would be effective against things your fighting now and fade creatures.
#42
Posté 07 février 2015 - 08:46
Fair enough, in the end though a mage seems best equipped to fight Cory, however I can't see Thedas rallying under the leadership of one. A mundane makes much more sense and a warrior as a leader so I suppose warrior gets the best feel going on. However its a shame they are so boring to play comapred to mages and rogues....
#43
Posté 07 février 2015 - 09:35
Dwarf for the hissing waste zone and maybe templar story. Qunari for nothing.
I just completed the game for the first time without spoiling anything in advance. I chose female dwarf (commoner/surfacer) rogue, so the story fell flat, but I have no regrets. My character was an outsider, and it was kinda fun. Everyone found my existence as the Herald of Andraste/Inquisitor scandalous. Entering Celene's ball in Winter Palace as a dwarf? -10 court approval! Totally worth it ![]()
The game should feature much more RP stuff like that though.
Anyways, my question is what makes the templar story dwarf friendly? I chose the templars, but I don't remember anything special for dwarfs. Hissing Wastes didn't feel special either. Dead dwarfs are not interesting to play with, and my character didn't do any comments on the tombs. Blackwall had more stories to tell there than my dwarf...
I ended up not romancing anyone, because it didn't feel right. I couldn't attach my dwarf to anyone. Romancing Scout Harding would have been fun, but she doesn't deliver on her promises (I mean her story seems to be bugged/unfinished).
#44
Posté 07 février 2015 - 09:49
Funny how Solas's romance feels so tied into the main plot, yet his romance was pretty much squeezed in under the wire. Still, mad props to the DA team and Patrick Weekes for doing that.
You can see how much Patrick Weekes really really wanted to tell this story. It's just so compelling. I have no trouble believing that he just up and wrote it himself, even though it wasn't initially planned.
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#45
Posté 07 février 2015 - 10:32
Origins:Male/Human/Sword & Shield
DA2:Male/Mage
Inquistion:Human/Male/Warrior
#46
Posté 07 février 2015 - 10:50
I like being mage qunari the best but from a purely narrative point? Human or elf. I see a lotta female/mage/Solasmancing hype and it's well earned, but it's not the only way to play the game. The Herald of Andraste angle, the mages/templar thing, the Divine, the politics are all slanted in favor of humans, you can also have a crisis of fate as a human seeing as how you learn the elven gods exist and the Chant says 'there is but one god.' Not even mentioning Corypheus and his hole 'AND IT WAS EMPTY!' thing. Elves are good too for all the reasons mentioned, Wicked Eyes Wicked Hearts felt pretty awesome, stealing an empire for the underdogs and all. Solas romance seems like icing on the cake, you can have all that emotional investment in the second half and the ruin exploration and etc without it too. I'm not sure why everyone insists on the mage part though, honestly. I suppose it depends on the kind of character you wanna play. Being the First implies you're at least a somewhat traditional Dalish which the game doesn't really allow you to reflect all that much, I like being a hunter as it allows me more freedom to be a rebel 4 lyfe. It does allow greater investment in the mage/templar conflict but only to a certain degree seeing as how a Dalish mage never suffered under it and would probably identify as Dalish first and mage second.
Also the animations and cinematics as anything but an elf or human drive me insane.
#47
Posté 07 février 2015 - 10:52
Qunari mage. The most unlikely herald saves the world.
Female Qunari mage, even better.
I've found playing a circle mage quite interesting as well, with the personal stake in the mage/Templar conflict and all. I also like how questions and comments are different - when you ask Cullen about Templar life, for instance, it's actually convincing instead of making your inquisitor look ignorant about things she should be familiar with.
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#48
Posté 07 février 2015 - 12:28
A mage can become Divine of the White Chantry. Things have changed. Personally, I find it a little hard to imagine a non-mage so casually wielding the powers of the Fade. Makes the mary sueness a bit too much for me.Fair enough haha you have a fair point. The reason I didn't feel too involved with it is for 2 reasons. The first being that most of the plot is about human events, making a human seem more ideal. The second being that I can't see how southern thedas would accept a mage as the inquisitor, due to it's historical fear of magic. Not to mention with all the events going on right now, with the Breach and Corypheus and all that, the people's fear of magic would be at an all time high. To me it seems the people would have an easier time following a mundane, who is more similar to them you know?
But in the end, it's whatever allows you to enjoy the game.
#49
Posté 07 février 2015 - 01:11
Only problem is, there's a bug right now where an elven Inquisitor acts completely ignorant around the Temple of Mythal. Hope that gets patched soon.
Good to here this is a bug and not an oversight because I almost quit in exasperation when this happened with me. I thought it was a bit weird since my Dalish elf had SOME options pertaining to his background but not others. I'm hoping they'll fix it soon too then.
#50
Posté 07 février 2015 - 07:05
Hey everyone, I looked around and was unable to find a topic such as this so I'm wondering which race/class combination do you think brings the most to the table narratively. What I mean by that is which allows you to feel the most involved with the events going on throughout souther thedas. My personal favorite Male Human Warrior who is a faithful andrastian and romances Divine Cassandra. I know many on these forums are going to claim that the Female Elven Mage romancing Solas is their favorite and while I definately see the appeal, I just never felt connected when I tried it. What are your thoughts and opinions? As always, have an amazing day!
Well, technically, many already distrust mages and are not too keen on Qunari - including a certain party member - so I like playing as one with that class. Female Elf w/ Solas is a good, really bittersweet one. Romance with Quizzy/Sera is surprisingly in-depth and touching as well(she's a prime favorite of mine).





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