1. Ranged weapons.
2. Crowd control via Wizard spells and Wands.
3. Don't bum rush the main quest, you need side quests for bonus XP, especially if you're new.
And put your warriors up front and give them as much AC as possible. Especially vs missile attacks.
What about Leliana being the divine, when you killed her in DA:O? Or Anders being killed in Awakening, without even having met Justice, still shows up in DA2 and starts a war.
The choices are pointless now. DA2 saw to that.
Assuming you killed Leliana in DAO? What about those who did not? Even if so it still leaves Viv and Cass. Again Anders dying in DA:Awakenings is optional depending on how well the Keep is upgraded.
The point is Fast Jimmy and I talked about these very problems months ago that Bioware would be unable to continue with all the multiple choices in DAO without painting themselves into a corner. We also stated that sooner or later Bioware would have to pick a canon. So Leliana and Anders live. I am sure there will be more canon choices in the future.
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Well I play for Solas. He's smart, sexy, AND romantic. I can ignore the egg head.They would be playing for Cullen. No one wants the sex goat.
The next divine.. To what end? What did it matter at all??? Honorable mention, at best!
The queen of Orlaise.. Ill give you that one.. It mattered..
The wardens did not.. You save them, or no, and what for? For 3 little War table missions? A few sentences? Awesome.. Blackbeard was thankful.. They all die out in those 2-3 wartable missions(honourable mention) up the snowy mountains, and you hear no more of it.. They dont even enter Skyhold...
Cullen's addiction had nothing to do with you.. You get a cutscene where he and Cassandra have all along been handling it, you never knew.. You get another conversation where you tell him to stop, or back his decision.. How did it matter either way afterwards btw? It didnt! You give him a yes or no.. Nothing more!
These are all inconsequential.. They either were a small conversation, with no lasting affect, or ipmact on the story in a large, or minor way.. Cullen's addiciton was a joke! I had him kick the habit, and he made no difference on the battlefield running into the Elvan ruins to get the well.. None of it mattered beyond that 1, or 2 conversations/cutscene!
There are as consequential as the ones at the end of DAO. You get to choose the next Dwarven king which is like choosing the next Divine? You choose the ruler of Orlais like choosing the ruler of Feledren. If the ones in DAI are inconsequential so are the ones in DAO.
The Cullen point affects the templars from Champions of the Just. If Cullen is encouraged to stop taking lyrium the other templars take their cue from him. So yes the Inquisitor does influence that.
The warden are another example. If you let them stay with the Inquisition they break off from the other wardens and form their own group come out of secrecy and start helping the masses.
In DA:O? No, Bioware threw a few generated soldiers at me for the Battle of Denerim, tossed me a few epilogue slides, and then swept every major choice I made under the rug, much as I was expecting them to based on their history from BG1 forward.
At this point, I'm used to Bioware choices being nothing more than surface-level changes.
You didn't answer my question
BG didn't have a world state import, though. Only the character import. Can't fault a 17 yer old game for not having a feature few new ones has.
By rights, it probably didn't need to be a direct sequel. BG was far too free form to design a sequel encompassing what its main character might do. It's like designing a sequel to Morrowind with the same protagonist, when the character spends most of the experience in a giant sand box.
BG1 had no significant plot decisions, outside of deciding whether to kill the leaders of the Iron Throne, which still plays out the same way no matter what you choose. BG2 could have functioned just as well using a different Bhaalspawn character, but without impacting previous continuity by assuming your character had a specific party (Minsc, Jaheira, etc), especially since you could kill all those characters.
And put your warriors up front and give them as much AC as possible. Especially vs missile attacks.
Aye, there's a few belts designed for ranged attacks if I remember right. One of them drops off an Ogre, I believe.
You don't even see your own choices at the end of the game. It's just portrait!
Do you HONESTLY believe that you had just as many options, as in depth in DAI than in DAO? Please change my opinion of you.
I am not here to change your opinion one way or the other, because I could care less what you think. I have my opinion. Do not like it? I do not care.
And you are telling me the epilogue slides in DAO were better than the portrait?
Assuming you killed Leliana in DAO? What about those who did not? Even if so it still leaves Viv and Cass. Again Anders dying in DA:Awakenings is optional depending on how well the Keep is upgraded.
The point is Fast Jimmy and I talked about these very problems months ago that Bioware would be unable to continue with all the multiple choices in DAO without painting themselves into a corner. We also stated that sooner or later Bioware would have to pick a canon. So Leliana and Anders live. I am sure there will be more canon choices in the future.
And this is when people start screaming if Bioware doesn't choose their favorite canon. But then, they'll also scream if Bioware implements all these divergent plot paths and decides to charge them $80-90 a game while keeping all their other features.
They don't get to win, basically.
I am not here to change your opinion one way or the other, because I could care less what you think. I have my opinion. Do not like it? I do not care.
Fair enough
but..
TO me, you appear to be an apologist that takes two elements from a game and stretches it into a mile. You ignore posts that counterclaim you by stating their 'evidence'. You talk and Divo talk around a post when bringing up the faults of DAO instead of addressing a direct question so that you avoid saying anything that someone can recounter.
At the end of the day we all have our opinions. I stated my opinion, and some of you attacked it, yet when presented with a counter claim, in this thread.. Meeting it with absolute nothing, while engaging other posts. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Well, if this what you wanted:
By the way my question still stands, and now applies to all of you, do you honestly believe you have just as many decision making and apparent changes to the world around Thedas?
Yes.
I am not here to change your opinion one way or the other, because I could care less what you think. I have my opinion. Do not like it? I do not care.
And you are telling me the epilogue slides in DAO were better than the portrait?
Clearly you do care.. You spend 4,591 posts of caring.. Since majority of your posts are spend defending this garbage.. Its pretty obvious you indeed, do care... Why, is a question for a whole other topic..
Back on topic however.. Putting the Dwarven king on the throne effects how you are helped.. Each has their own long questline to be done prior to the choice, and after (already more than DA:I does)..While Harrowmont is the more conservative, honorable choice, Bhelen will net you more experience and gold doing his questline.. If your Dwarven Noble, you get extra incentives, and benefits added by restoring Bhelen..Whichever you choose, you will also later encounter radicals who are mad about your choice..
Again, as i stated twice.. Cullen's addiction has no more consequence besides a minor footnote.. "The templars follow suit" is hardly an impactful, lasting consequence..You get a cutcene of he and Cass arging about it, then a dislog with him, which is all but set for you, up until the point you either endulge his decision, or suggest he pick it back up!
Reading that the Wardens die off after 2 or 3 War Table missions, is not relly a lasting, or impactful effect of your decision! Its litte more than a footnote.. Yeay, you get to extend it, by clicking which of your advisors will push them forward!
Deciding who sits on the Throne of Orlaise, i agree, was a more impactful, lasting decision with consequence, and weight.. This one was well done! Then again, Ive said all alon that the companion, and main story were the only goos part of the game.. Just too few in number.. Magnified by the stifling amount of garbage filler, with no meaning, impact, value, or emotion involved.."Heres yer power!"
Nothing you attempt here, will add any more weight, or depth, to this pathetic game! You may want to ask EAware for your paycheck, in advance...
@ Realmzmaster - I am stunned! All those posts of yours defending such 'filth'; can almost hear the Nobility groan. It could not have anything to do with anything else lo these many years. But it could be worse; Mark could not pay as well....
Yes I posted all of the posts only about DAI. I mean those posts about BG1, BG2, NWN, DAO and DA2 must be imaginary. All those posts with Fast Jimmy and others talking about how Bioware has painted themselves into a corner with the choices in DAO are imaginary. All the post discussing points with Sylvius the Mad are simply imaginary. Those many posts talking about role playing games in general and classless systems are imaginary.
How dare I hold an opinion that is different from those who think they know what I know better than me.
I mean all those posts where I defended DAO against people who wanted BG3. How dare I defend those games that I like. How dare I point out the shortcomings in different games.
How dare I defend DA2 while pointing out its faults. Now all of a sudden it feels like some posters are having a love in with DA2 while bashing DAI. I find that to be funny. When DA2 came out I was called many names including but not limited to an idiot. When I talked about DA2's more personal story posters argued with me. Now there are posts praising DA2.
Some posters are upset when I remind them that some of the same charges leveled at DAI were leveled at DAO.
I find it interesting when posters ask if I have played DAO. I then have to tell them that I have played the game completely 17 times and DA2 18 times. I know the games very well.. Not counting the number of times I played BG1, BG2 and NWN. BG1 is still on my hard drive being played. So I can compare the designs of both BG1 and DAI side by side. One on my desktop and the other on my laptop.
But what do I know. I simply a man with an opinion which is just as valid as everyone else's opinion. But YMMV.
Yes I posted all of the posts only about DAI. I mean those posts about BG1, BG2, NWN, DAO and DA2 must be imaginary. All those posts with Fast Jimmy and others talking about how Bioware has painted themselves into a corner with the choices in DAO are imaginary. All the post discussing points with Sylvius the Mad are simply imaginary. Those many posts talking about role playing games in general and classless systems are imaginary.
How dare I hold an opinion that is different from those who think they know what I know better than me.
I mean all those posts where I defended DAO against people who wanted BG3. How dare I defend those games that I like. How dare I point out the shortcomings in different games.
How dare I defend DA2 while pointing out its faults. Now all of a sudden it feels like some posters are having a love in with the DA2 while bashing DAI. I find that to be funny. When DA2 came out I was called many names including but not limited to an idiot. When I talked about DA2's more personal story posters argued with me. Now there are posts praising DA2.
Some posters are upset when I remind them that some of the same charges leveled at DAI were leveled at DAO.
I find it interesting when posters ask if I have played DAO. I then have to tell them that I have played the game completely 17 times and DA2 18 times. I know the games very well.. Not counting the number of times I played BG1, BG2 and NWN. BG1 is still on my hard drive being played. So I can compare the designs of both BG1 and DAI side by side. One on my desktop and the other on my laptop.
But what do I know. I simply a man with an opinion. But YMMV.
So... I got double what I made from Bioware last year; how 'bout yourself?
(thanks Honourable Bigot, I don't know if you read this thread, but this is really useful gif )
Yes I posted all of the posts only about DAI. I mean those posts about BG1, BG2, NWN, DAO and DA2 must be imaginary. All those posts with Fast Jimmy and others talking about how Bioware has painted themselves into a corner with the choices in DAO are imaginary. All the post discussing points with Sylvius the Mad are simply imaginary. Those many posts talking about role playing games in general and classless systems are imaginary.
How dare I hold an opinion that is different from those who think they know what I know better than me.
I mean all those posts where I defended DAO against people who wanted BG3. How dare I defend those games that I like. How dare I point out the shortcomings in different games.
How dare I defend DA2 while pointing out its faults. Now all of a sudden it feels like some posters are having a love in with DA2 while bashing DAI. I find that to be funny. When DA2 came out I was called many names including but not limited to an idiot. When I talked about DA2's more personal story posters argued with me. Now there are posts praising DA2.
Some posters are upset when I remind them that some of the same charges leveled at DAI were leveled at DAO.
I find it interesting when posters ask if I have played DAO. I then have to tell them that I have played the game completely 17 times and DA2 18 times. I know the games very well.. Not counting the number of times I played BG1, BG2 and NWN. BG1 is still on my hard drive being played. So I can compare the designs of both BG1 and DAI side by side. One on my desktop and the other on my laptop.
But what do I know. I simply a man with an opinion which is just as valid as everyone else's opinion. But YMMV.
I guess I'm glad that I didn't join the forums in 2011 then XD! I've always loved DA2 smaller more personal storyline. After finishing Inquisition, I feel the itch to start a new game of DA2 again.
I guess I'm glad that I didn't join the forums in 2011 then XD! I've always loved DA2 smaller more personal storyline. After finishing Inquisition, I feel the itch to start a new game of DA2 again.
Glad to see I am not the only one. I've defended some aspects of DA2 since the game came out, because it managed to improved upon DAO in a few ways (and they made the game in a year). Not on BSN tho, I am no masochist.
After finishing this run-of-the-mill hack-and-slash mmo collecting / grind fest, I now want to either install DA2 again or finally get to modding my Skyrim to perfection and play it from the beginning with all those sweet immersion mods. Hell, I even want to finish my last uncomplete playthrough of the buggy mess called DAO:A.
Be careful that is heresy you are talking. But do not worry I have a few extra flame proof armor pieces that I give out for such occasions. I glad to see I am not the only one who thought DAO:A was a buggy mess. Rune crafting in DAO:A still gives me nightmares thinking about it.
Be careful that is heresy you are talking.
Comparing KoTOR and DA:I and finding DA:I better... okay, to each their own, but in my very own personal world #2 (of 5), people have been burnt at the stake for less 
Seriously. Just the ability to choose Light Side, Dark Side, or neutral was (mostly) awesome. Having two massively different endings that *really* mattered was awesome. The whole plot was just fantastic, I remember how my chin dropped when I met Malak for the first time and the big reveal hit me. The companions were awesome, not only were they well-written, but they actually felt real parts of the story, not just glorified flowerpots. They ganged up on you if you went darkside. And don't even get me started on Bastila with her LS and DS troubles *swoon* etc. etc. etc....
^ And claiming to be a crpg enthusiest... Even finding similarity in Inquisition... Heresy is the correct word, indeed... Or maybe, no.. no, it'd be too easy..
But, as long as the Fab 5 come in to defend, i guess theyll never see reason.. Ah well, no sweat off my brow...
I guess we're all stuck with mediocrity from Bioware, as long as certain people continue to sing its praises.. RIP-Bioware.. You had a good run!
The "return to form" can certainly feel like a slap to the face for some people. DA:I was good(for a week) but it has failed to capture the spark DA:O had. I played DA:O for a whole year from the time I got it, and I haven't touched DA:I in three weeks. That should say something about the utter lack of quality and replayability in this game.
Unless another game, hopefully Witcher 3, sets a new standard for quality RPGs, I don't see EA or Ubisoft backing away from forcing streamlined and shallow game releases for the foreseeable future(Assassin's Creed Victory is already on the way).
Comparing KoTOR and DA:I and finding DA:I better... okay, to each their own, but in my very own personal world #2 (of 5), people have been burnt at the stake for less
Seriously. Just the ability to choose Light Side, Dark Side, or neutral was (mostly) awesome. Having two massively different endings that *really* mattered was awesome. The whole plot was just fantastic, I remember how my chin dropped when I met Malak for the first time and the big reveal hit me. The companions were awesome, not only were they well-written, but they actually felt real parts of the story, not just glorified flowerpots. They ganged up on you if you went darkside. And don't even get me started on Bastila with her LS and DS troubles *swoon* etc. etc. etc....
Speaking as someone who considers KotOR their top 5 games of all time, the game had more than a few issues going on with it too.
Despite being fun, Dark side alignment essentially broke any continuity with the main story line. The two massively different endings were extremely one dimensional and far too easy to obtain. I could be a psychopathic murderer the entire game, then revert back to a grey jedi simply by denying Bastila's offer, nullifying all my decisions made up until that point.
Not to mention, the premise of even bringing your companions along for the main quest line past Taris is extremely flawed.
The "return to form" can certainly feel like a slap to the face for some people. DA:I was good(for a week) but it has failed to capture the spark DA:O had. I played DA:O for a whole year from the time I got it, and I haven't touched DA:I in three weeks. That should say something about the utter lack of quality and replayability in this game.
Unless another game, hopefully Witcher 3, sets a new standard for quality RPGs, I don't see EA or Ubisoft backing away from forcing streamlined and shallow game releases for the foreseeable future(Assassin's Creed Victory is already on the way).
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