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[Wolfbrotther]

Spoilers ahead (but if you are not aware of that you are in the wrong section of the forum, right?)

 

I completely ignored Viviene after Haven, apparently supported Cassandra, though not clearly, because I romanced her and didn't want to "lose" her, and openly supported Leliana (meaning I chose the option the game gave me to support her, which didn't happen with the other two).

 

I was expecting to see Leliana as the new divine and to my (unpleasant) surprise, Viviene became the Divine... I was like "WHAT?????"

 

So what is the process of choosing the divine? I know I will (probably) be able to change that on the Tapestry in the near future, but I would like to see the reactions and speeches they have about it if Leliana becomes the one.

 

I have some saves before the end and I want to try to change that.

 

And to be honest, I don't like Viviene, IMO she could have gone to the fade with Corypheus or "die" instead of Flemeth...

 

Thank you for you help...

[Orian Tabris]

I haven't had this problem, so I can't really Divine an answer for you.

 

But seriously, what I can tell you is that you should get an operation in the war table, to support one of the three. You can only do one, even if you have more than one such operation available, so if you did the 'Support Leliana', you should have had her become Divine. If you did do the operation, and Vivi became Divine instead, then i would imagine it's a bug - possibly caused by the latest patch.

 

The operation is what determines who becomes Divine. I don't know what happens if you don't support any, since it's not a requirement of completing the main game, unless I'm wrong, and it is.

 

Side note: people should really try to understand Vivienne's character, and appreciate it for what it is.

[Exalus]

The operation gives you 10 points but does not guarantee that candidate will be divine.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I have no clue, I've made the same choices in three different games and gotten 3 different divines.

 

Deny being Herald

Ally mages

Do all war table missions

Do all personal quests

Tell all I would support them if needed/ they would be good as divine.

 

And each time I get a different divine. To me that should get the same one every time, but it seems totally random.

[Bad King]

OP, what were your major decisions in the game? If you allied with the templars/conscripted the mages for instance, Vivienne is more likely to be the Divine (over Leliana at least).

[Orian Tabris]

The operation gives you 10 points but does not guarantee that candidate will be divine.

 

Really? What are the other things that increase points? Because I romanced Cassandra too, and I did pretty much everything except accept her becoming Divine when she brought it up. I don't remember if there was an official accept or decline option in that conversation.

[Exalus]

Your choices in the game and conversations that ask your opinions on the chantry.

[Aaleel]

Depends on your conversations and decisions in game.  If you side with the mages and put Briala in charge of Orlais you'll almost definitely get Leliana, then whether she's hardened or not will determine how she how we'll say she implements her changes lol.

 

Cassandra and Vivienne are the side with Templars, with Vivienne pretty much being happy with the status quo and Cassandra being more of a keep the Templars, Seekers and Circles but have some reforms.  So what you say in conversations matter, and I think who you support could be the tie breaker in this one.

[Nykara]

I am hoping I end up with a Leliana Divine this time for sure. I am taking extra careful measures to make sure she doesn't kill anyone or anything so that she is softened and I sided with the mages. I want Cassandra to stay with my Quizzy and the Inquisition ( not romanced either my quizzy is a girl and all Cullens) I just feel that is the place that best suits her, it always seemed as if the start of the Inquisition was more Cassandra's work then anyone else's

[Wolfbrotther]

OP, what were your major decisions in the game? If you allied with the templars/conscripted the mages for instance, Vivienne is more likely to be the Divine (over Leliana at least).

 

 

Depends on your conversations and decisions in game.  If you side with the mages and put Briala in charge of Orlais you'll almost definitely get Leliana, then whether she's hardened or not will determine how she how we'll say she implements her changes lol.

 

Cassandra and Vivienne are the side with Templars, with Vivienne pretty much being happy with the status quo and Cassandra being more of a keep the Templars, Seekers and Circles but have some reforms.  So what you say in conversations matter, and I think who you support could be the tie breaker in this one.

 

That is not 100% true or I'm bugged, because I sided with the mages, although I conscripted them.

 

In the Orlais matter, I didn't put Briala in charge, but would that be enough to avoid Leliana from being chosen?

 

I never talked to Viviene about this because as I said I didn't feel like, do you think it makes any difference?

[Aaleel]

I am hoping I end up with a Leliana Divine this time for sure. I am taking extra careful measures to make sure she doesn't kill anyone or anything so that she is softened and I sided with the mages. I want Cassandra to stay with my Quizzy and the Inquisition ( not romanced either my quizzy is a girl and all Cullens) I just feel that is the place that best suits her, it always seemed as if the start of the Inquisition was more Cassandra's work then anyone else's

 

What you do with Leliana during the game doesn't matter when it comes to her being hardened or not.  If you spare the traitor in the very beginning, no matter how you lead the inquisition, no matter what you say in conversations, no matter do or don't let her do from then on out is irrelevant.  If she killed him she'll be hardened no matter what.

[Herr Uhl]

Depends on your conversations and decisions in game.  If you side with the mages and put Briala in charge of Orlais you'll almost definitely get Leliana, then whether she's hardened or not will determine how she how we'll say she implements her changes lol.

 

Cassandra and Vivienne are the side with Templars, with Vivienne pretty much being happy with the status quo and Cassandra being more of a keep the Templars, Seekers and Circles but have some reforms.  So what you say in conversations matter, and I think who you support could be the tie breaker in this one.

 

I have no idea how I ended up with Leliana then. I guess I said that I wasn't Andrastian too many times and was rude to the chantry.

 

Eh, murderhappy Leliana is acceptable as a substitute to Viv.

[Aaleel]

That is not 100% true or I'm bugged, because I sided with the mages, although I conscripted them.

 

In the Orlais matter, I didn't put Briala in charge, but would that be enough to avoid Leliana from being chosen?

 

I never talked to Viviene about this because as I said I didn't feel like, do you think it makes any difference?

 

Well I said almost 

 

But Leliana thinks that mages should be free, so I don't know what conscripting them would do, I haven't gone that route yet. Also in conversations during the game did you tell people that mages should be free, templars disbanded, etc or did you tell people like Vivienne what they wanted to hear to get approval.  

[Orian Tabris]

Your choices in the game and conversations that ask your opinions on the chantry.

 

Well, that wasn't a vague explanation.

[M-Taylor1]

There is a thread entirely about this which explains it in depth. However there are essentially two main choices that affect the result of Divine.

The first is the Mage Templar war. Allying with the mages favors Leliana. Allying with the Templars favors Cassandra. Conscripting either group favors Vivenne.

The other choice is who rules Orlais. Gaspard corresponds with Cassandra, Briala in power through Gaspars favours Leliana and Celene remaining on the throne is a Vivenne thing. This includes all scenarios that essentially leaves Celene on the throne; getting all three to work together, 'fixing' Celene and Briala, forcing Gaspard and her to work together etc.

With these two main choices, the divine out come is somewhat set. You could result in a different divine if you persistently champion a different ideology, but that would contradict your PCs motives.

Things get a little more complicated if you mix and match. Freeing the mages with Celene for example splits the point system, so your stance on the chantry and other such things become more important. But yeah, divine out come is easy to predict once you know the basics

[Wolfbrotther]

But Leliana thinks that mages should be free, so I don't know what conscripting them would do, I haven't gone that route yet. Also in conversations during the game did you tell people that mages should be free, templars disbanded, etc or did you tell people like Vivienne what they wanted to hear to get approval.  

 

You probably got it then, because in the beginning I was telling them what they wanted to hear so they wouldn't leave...

 

I will try a second playthrough and see what happens now...

[thesuperdarkone2]

That is not 100% true or I'm bugged, because I sided with the mages, although I conscripted them.

 

In the Orlais matter, I didn't put Briala in charge, but would that be enough to avoid Leliana from being chosen?

 

I never talked to Viviene about this because as I said I didn't feel like, do you think it makes any difference?

That's your problem. Conscripting the mages gives Vivienne a MASSIVE boost over Leliana. Vivienne gets a 20 point lead over Leliana if you conscript the mages. If you conscript the mages, you have to make Briala ruler and metagame every choice that gives Leliana points and decreases Vivienne's points.

[Al Foley]

That's your problem. Conscripting the mages gives Vivienne a MASSIVE boost over Leliana. Vivienne gets a 20 point lead over Leliana if you conscript the mages. If you conscript the mages, you have to make Briala ruler and metagame every choice that gives Leliana points and decreases Vivienne's points.

Well, ****

[thesuperdarkone2]

Well I said almost 

 

But Leliana thinks that mages should be free, so I don't know what conscripting them would do, I haven't gone that route yet. Also in conversations during the game did you tell people that mages should be free, templars disbanded, etc or did you tell people like Vivienne what they wanted to hear to get approval.  

If Leliana becomes Divine when the mages are conscripted, the mages stay with the Inquisition and form a group called the Bright Hand which shows Thedas the best that mages can offer.

[perfect_victime]

I think Vivi is the default, and Nightingale is the easiest to elect yourself. I supported Cassandra but got Vivi, and the second time I got Cassi. When I supported Nightingale she became divine.

[Iakus]

Here's the point system, according to the wiki

 

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

[Mann42]

Here's the point system, according to the wiki

 

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

I like that someone has put this information together, and if I remember correctly it came from data mining, but I swear I had a playthrough that, by those numbers, should have resulted in a Leliana divine but wound up with Cassandra instead. 

 

I'd be curious if these numbers work out for others or if anyone else wound up with a discrepancy like I did.

[Boost32]

I like that someone has put this information together, and if I remember correctly it came from data mining, but I swear I had a playthrough that, by those numbers, should have resulted in a Leliana divine but wound up with Cassandra instead. 

 

I'd be curious if these numbers work out for others or if anyone else wound up with a discrepancy like I did.

You need to remember that the guide might be imcomplete, so even if the listed choices gave Lelian more points, unlisted choices gave more points do Cassandra.