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[TMA LIVE]

If you pick the choices that get you the least amount of EMS and destroyed the Collector's Base, your only choice is between:

 

Refuse, which continues the cycle, and kills/harvests everyone you care about. But the galaxy itself is fine.

 

Or you pick Destroy (Bad), which burns Earth, kills everyone on the Normandy, destroys the Citadel, destroys the Mass Relays, makes some worlds probably unlivable, burns a lot of people to dust, and ruins many ships to floating wrecks. But hey, the Human races is still around.

 

Both end up stopping the Reaper threat.

 

Which is the better choice?

[GalacticWolf5]

Shepard would go for Destroy, because he doesnt know that Earth will also be destroyed and etc.

If we talk meta-gaming, Refusal is better imo because at least everyone is preserved in Reaper form instead of just dying from the explosion or because everyone is stuck in whatever system they were in and won't be able to survive without food and etc.

[KaiserShep]

Refuse is for wieners. If in refusing, everyone is going to be forcibly converted into a giant killing machine that's just going to emerge from the darkness to kill billions in the future, you'd might as well just burn the sh*t out of them now, even if there's considerable collateral damage. I'd rather take my chances with the latter.

[SmilesJA]

I choose destroy. I find it an effective way to end the cycle and allow the Galaxy to grow.

[Excella Gionne]

I say F it! I'm gonna jump into that beam and make space magic.

[Vazgen]

Destroy. 

Because I think this line is idiotic:

"I'll die knowing that I did everything I can to stop you" 

[themikefest]

I still take destroy. I always have when I've done a low ems playthrough

[Han Shot First]

Destroy.

 

Refuse is always the worst ending. It results in the Reapers winning the war and completely annihilating every known sapient space-faring species in the galaxy. It also reduces Shepard to the most incompetent military leader in all of human history. Refuse Shep is responsible for the most disastrous defeat in human military history, simply because he or she refused to use the superweapon the entire war effort revolved around. Refuse Shepard is a bumbling moron who isn't fit to lead a girl scout troop, let alone a warship filled with highly trained military professionals. 

 

Refuse in a nutshell:

 

[God]

Destroy all the way. At least some people survive as we see, so you're not killing everybody. Granted, you really screwed over the galaxy, and you're now in a very bleak dark age. Which kind of keeps with how Mac supposedly wanted the ending to be a 10,000 year dark age. I mean, tell me Synthesis wasn't supposed to be some kind of weird interpretation of the Book of Genesis, what with life now evolved to a post-singularity state in a new 'paradise' where tech has been pushed back several thousand years at the least and fractured galactic society to the point where it will be millenia before contact is re-established.

 

@Han, I think a lot of players need that wake-up call about their Shepard and refuse. That's exactly how I think of them. Davidian of me? Sure. But sometimes, with some people, I can see where his attitude came from on here.

[Han Shot First]

I think with any of the ending choices you have to first ask, "Does this accomplish the mission?"  As an officer in a military organization, that is Shepard's primary objective and all other considerations are secondary. And in Shepard's case, the outcome of the entire war hinges on it. With Refuse the answer to that question is a clear and resounding "No," so it isn't really an option at all. 

[God]

I think with any of the ending choices you have to first ask, "Does this accomplish the mission?"  As an officer in a military organization, that is Shepard's primary objective and all other considerations are secondary. And in Shepard's case, the outcome of the entire war hinges on it. With Refuse the answer to that question is a clear and resounding "No," so it isn't really an option at all. 

 

Some people don't, or can't understand that like we do. Too many people get caught up in the other things that detract them from the path. Honestly, I pity them at the end of the day.

 

People still think it's sociopathy or psychopathy, when for us, it's simple clarity. It's one thing I'm glad the military gave me (and you feel the same too I imagine). 

[Linkenski]

@TMA LIVE you've got your facts wrong. Destroy doesn't destroy anything besides the reapers and all other synthetics with reaper code like EDI and the Geth if EMS is high. That's a renegade choice as opposed to control and synthesis because you're sacrificing others by your own accord whereas control is you sacrificing yourself to continue the cycle but perhaps do better than Catalyst, and synthesis is ending a non-existent cycle of synthetic singularity via retardedness.

[God]

Synthesis is a lot more than a cure for non-existent problem. Said problem does indeed exist, and is likely a very worthwhile issue to resolve as soon as possible. 

 

Also, have you seen what low-EMS Destroy does? It's an apocalyptic event. It's arguably even bleaker than the refuse ending, given the sheer destruction it has put on the galaxy. It's the closest you'll get in Mass Effect to a setting reset button, since more or less every actor on the galactic stage has been taken out.

[themikefest]

Going off topic here

 

Some people do survive on Earth in low ems destroy ending. Where were these people to avoid the beam? If I had to guess they may of been hiding underground where the beam has no effect. If that's the case, could those same people of avoided the green beam? Can the same be said about reaper ground forces? If control is picked, does that mean some of the reaper ground forces are not in the Sheplyst control?

[God]

Are we sure those people were on Earth?

 

Maybe it was another planet that the scene took place.

 

They might have been from a ship that survived the blast and was able to send down personnel to investigate.

 

Granted, people did survive, but the future isn't very bright for those that did.

[themikefest]

If the people are on another planet, then that means the beam didn't cover everything in the galaxy

 

I doubt it was personnel from a ship since all ships have no power. It shows Hackett's ship just floating in space. He will eventually die from lack of food and air

[God]

Or the beam loses intensity at longer distances. 

 

And that's inconsistent logic. We see ships damaged by the beam, but that does not mean that all ships have permanently lost power. Maybe somebody repaired their ship? 

 

You're drawing a lot of hard conclusions from a lot of blanks.

[TMA LIVE]

@TMA LIVE you've got your facts wrong. Destroy doesn't destroy anything besides the reapers and all other synthetics with reaper code like EDI and the Geth if EMS is high. That's a renegade choice as opposed to control and synthesis because you're sacrificing others by your own accord whereas control is you sacrificing yourself to continue the cycle but perhaps do better than Catalyst, and synthesis is ending a non-existent cycle of synthetic singularity via retardedness.

 

We're actually talking about Destroy Bad, not Destroy or Destroy Plus.

 

https://www.youtube....HLyyIjuo#t=1543

 

If you have Low EMS (refused to do any side quests, didn't play multiplayer, made choices that had less EMS) and destroyed the Collector Base in ME2, then Destroy Bad is the only ending besides Refuse you have access to (And if you keep the Collector Base with low EMS, you only get the Control Bad ending).

 

Destroy Bad pretty much turns the Galaxy into Mass Effect: Fallout. The blast not only stopped the Reapers, but also a lot of our technology, destroys buildings, ruined ships (Hackett is standing in a dead ship floating in space, waiting to die), blows up the Mass Relays (and I mean BOOM), and sets Earth on fire, turning majority of Humanity into ash (Literally. You see them poof into ash). The Normandy also crashes, and kills the entire crew.

[Fixers0]

it's funny that marine that pick up the helment in the low ems ending has the same face model as the one from the husk scene that got incinerated. Just as how the officer that gives Hackett the datapad about Shepard in the ec has the same face as the chariman of the  Alliance defense commitee.  

[TMA LIVE]

Going off topic here

 

Some people do survive on Earth in low ems destroy ending. Where were these people to avoid the beam? If I had to guess they may of been hiding underground where the beam has no effect. If that's the case, could those same people of avoided the green beam? Can the same be said about reaper ground forces? If control is picked, does that mean some of the reaper ground forces are not in the Sheplyst control?

 

Yeah, I have no idea how they survived. The only thing I can think of is anyone who was inside a Mako maybe or given some cover. I'm basing this on Hackett still being alive on a ruined ship hit by the blast.

 

I think there's always a possibility of something not getting hit by the blast either way. Though there's nothing to really go on.

[themikefest]

Or the beam loses intensity at longer distances. 

 

And that's inconsistent logic. We see ships damaged by the beam, but that does not mean that all ships have permanently lost power. Maybe somebody repaired their ship? 

 

You're drawing a lot of hard conclusions from a lot of blanks.

You're making assumptions just like I am.

[Display Name Owner]

If you refuse, the next cycle survives by... using the Crucible. It's pretty redundant to reject it's use.

 

Even with low EMS destroy, at least there are some members of this cycle left to greet them. Or even if this cycle is so catastrophically ruined that the Turians and Quarians starve stranded over Earth, everybody on the planet gets vaporised, everybody everywhere else is left in a crippling technological dark age, at least the next cycle don't have to go through the bollocks this one did. Assuming it's even the next cycle, given that the Reapers' Citadel scheme probably goes as usual next time around, it might be 2 or 3 cycles down the line that someone happens to find Liara's relic.

[Memnon]

I don't recall, did they explain in EC what happened to all of the fleets and alien forces stranded in Sol after the Mass Relays exploded? Or for that matter, why the exploding Mass Relay didn't wipe out entire solar systems as was established in Arrival?

[Vazgen]

 

Going off topic here

 

Some people do survive on Earth in low ems destroy ending. Where were these people to avoid the beam? If I had to guess they may of been hiding underground where the beam has no effect. If that's the case, could those same people of avoided the green beam? Can the same be said about reaper ground forces? If control is picked, does that mean some of the reaper ground forces are not in the Sheplyst control?

Some asari are not affected by Synthesis

Spoiler

[TMA LIVE]

I don't recall, did they explain in EC what happened to all of the fleets and alien forces stranded in Sol after the Mass Relays exploded? Or for that matter, why the exploding Mass Relay didn't wipe out entire solar systems as was established in Arrival?

 

Pretty much, the energy changes the Mass Relays, specifically the energy the they use into lethal or non-lethal energy blasts. The supernova from arrival is when the energy is released unaltered.