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[TMA LIVE]

From a non-meta game perspective, I see a lot of people picking refuse, just to avoid turning the Galaxy into a dark age as the Catalyst explains. I see this as a more fitting ending for the low EMS character, who didn't do everything he could, and yet kept believing a better way by destroying the Collector Base. The Shepard who kept refusing to sacrifice, and yet ended up sacrificing everything.

[God]

You're making assumptions just like I am.

 

I know I am. Nowhere did I say that I was stating that I was correct. I was coming up with a reasonable explanation that might be possible.

[God]

From a non-meta game perspective, I see a lot of people picking refuse, just to avoid turning the Galaxy into a dark age as the Catalyst explains. I see this as a more fitting ending for the low EMS character, who didn't do everything he could, and yet kept believing a better way by destroying the Collector Base. The Shepard who kept refusing to sacrifice, and yet ended up sacrificing everything.

 

That's typically what happens to those kinds of Shepards, and those kinds of people. Which is exactly what they deserve.

 

Makes me want to ensure that they aren't ever anywhere close to the decision making progress. The cold, pragmatic, ruthless guy will at least give you a chance. The 'idealistic' ones masquerade selfish impotence for compassionate idealism. They'll damn you all for the sake of their self-righteous conscious. At least you know where you stand with the brutal guy. He'll make sure at least someone survives.

[God]

 

 

Some asari are not affected by Synthesis

Spoiler

 

 

I don't think that's so much indicative of them not being synthesized so much as the devs. not putting the tron lines on them. Or they might not be glowing at the moment. Or the ambient light reflection might be obscuring the tron lines from view.

 

I'm pretty sure that that Asari has been synthesized though.

[Vazgen]

I don't think that's so much indicative of them not being synthesized so much as the devs. not putting the tron lines on them. Or they might not be glowing at the moment. Or the ambient light reflection might be obscuring the tron lines from view.

 

I'm pretty sure that that Asari has been synthesized though.

I said some asari Samara and Falere have glowing circuitry on them in their related slide. And every other person in that particular cutscene has circuitry. Look it up on YouTube, that's where I got the screenshot

[RatThing]

If you pick the choices that get you the least amount of EMS and destroyed the Collector's Base, your only choice is between:

 

Refuse, which continues the cycle, and kills/harvests everyone you care about. But the galaxy itself is fine.

 

Or you pick Destroy (Bad), which burns Earth, kills everyone on the Normandy, destroys the Citadel, destroys the Mass Relays, makes some worlds probably unlivable, burns a lot of people to dust, and ruins many ships to floating wrecks. But hey, the Human races is still around.

 

Both end up stopping the Reaper threat.

 

Which is the better choice?

 

How does refuse stop the Reaper threat? The following cycle stops the Reapers by actually using the Crucible, by not refusing. It makes me wonder what choice they picked (I don`t remember that those two beings were glowing green in the epilogue nor did I see giant cuttlefish in the sky).

 

As for the question, of course destroy is better, at least somebody is still alive (harvested and reaperized = dead to me).

[God]

I said some asari Samara and Falere have glowing circuitry on them in their related slide. And every other person in that particular cutscene has circuitry. Look it up on YouTube, that's where I got the screenshot

 

And I'm talking about all Asari. 

 

Yes, I believe that Asari was synthesized. I believe all Asari have been synthesized, thus disputing your point.

[Vazgen]

And I'm talking about all Asari. 

 

Yes, I believe that Asari was synthesized. I believe all Asari have been synthesized, thus disputing your point.

There is nothing to dispute here, really. The scene clearly doesn't show circuitry on her. You can argue that it's a developer oversight, I might say that this asari managed to avoid the blast. There is no evidence for or against each of our points so there is no point in arguing about it. Especially since that was a joke

[themikefest]

The following cycle stops the Reapers by actually using the Crucible, by not refusing. It makes me wonder what choice they picked (I don`t remember that those two beings were glowing green in the epilogue nor did I see giant cuttlefish in the sky).

 

This is something I posted a while back in regards to the cycle stopping the reapers

[RatThing]

This is something I posted a while back in regards to the cycle stopping the reapers

 

Interesting, but the question remains whether they destroyed, controlled or synthesized. Well, if this scenario was true, at least they had a chance to prepare themselves and discuss the best solution.

[TMA LIVE]

How does refuse stop the Reaper threat? The following cycle stops the Reapers by actually using the Crucible, by not refusing. It makes me wonder what choice they picked (I don`t remember that those two beings were glowing green in the epilogue nor did I see giant cuttlefish in the sky).

 

As for the question, of course destroy is better, at least somebody is still alive (harvested and reaperized = dead to me).

 

I meant either you killed the Reapers, but nuke the Galaxy, or you allow another cycle to find another way that's better. Both end the Reaper Threat in the end.

 

Also keep in mind, Mike Gamble was the only one who assumed the crucible being used by the next cycle was what happened. That's his option. The game itself doesn't make that claim. Even if the new cycle did use it, there's a chance they found a better way to use it without forcing a compromise like synthesis does.

[Orikon]

Even when compared to the Vaporization destroy ending (low ems,"bad" destroy is medium EMS),refusal is still the worst option. In Vaporization,there are at least some survivors and the cycle lives on even if its in a completely ruined state.

 

In refusal,you basically say: "Yeah,**** you Catalyst,**** the Reapers,**** the Citadel,the Crucible,the Normandy,the galactic armada,and even you Earth. **** everybody and everything. I am done with dis ****! You know what? I bet Liara stored some of dem time capsules on some of those planets,so I'll just let the next cycle worry 'bout dis. I'm just gonna say some sweet line and I quit. Oh,and I'll be sure to put on a sad face so that it seems I had no other choice."

[Mordokai]

Both are pretty damn horrible, honestly. And however much I hate to agree with him, at least this once, Massively has it right. However marginally, Low EMS Destroy is better than Refusal, no contest there.

 

I always make sure to get high EMS Destroy, but if I'd have to choose between those two... low EMS Destroy it is.

[Reorte]

Refuse and everyone is dead, or worse. Low EMS Destroy and a lot of people are dead. Therefore it's Destroy as being less bad. There's no reason to pick Refuse.

[General TSAR]

If you pick the choices that get you the least amount of EMS and destroyed the Collector's Base, your only choice is between:

 

Refuse, which continues the cycle, and kills/harvests everyone you care about. But the galaxy itself is fine.

 

Or you pick Destroy (Bad), which burns Earth, kills everyone on the Normandy, destroys the Citadel, destroys the Mass Relays, makes some worlds probably unlivable, burns a lot of people to dust, and ruins many ships to floating wrecks. But hey, the Human races is still around.

 

Both end up stopping the Reaper threat.

 

Which is the better choice?

Like the Helghast proudly proclaim; Victory or Death.

 

Shoot dat tube. 

[DirtySHISN0]

Which is the better choice?

 

As much as i don't like destroy its the better of the two. Sure, refuse on principal, but low ems? You change nothing. Destroy - low ems, you rid the galaxy of the reapers even if organics at present don't make it.

[SilJeff]

Good luck making that jump since the platform wouldn't pop up in this situation. In fact, you will deserve a space olympic medal!

[Asharad Hett]

Refuse is for wieners. 

 

We refused Saren's offer.  Why not the brat's?

[KaiserShep]

We refused Saren's offer.  Why not the brat's?

 

What exactly does Saren actually have to offer, and why would any sensible person even consider it? Putting aside the monumental implausibility of a single grunt like Shepard getting every major power in the galaxy to throw its guns down and prepare for their new reaper overlords, the far more logical assumption would be that Saren would simply kill them all and go forward with his plan to unleash a krogan army on the galaxy alongside the geth, which were already killing people, laughing at how mind-numbingly stupid Shepard was for falling for it.

 

This is in no way like refusing to use the Crucible. The battle against the reapers was doomed from the start. They are clearly winning, and the entire plan hinged on using the device. For good or ill, it is the only chance that something other than a slow burn to extinction would occur. Shepard's sense of integrity is very misplaced if allowing all of the current galactic civilization to be wiped out is preferable to giving at least a percentage of it a chance at continued existence.

[78stonewobble]

Destroy.

 

The reapings cost lots of lives even if some and/or essence is preserved, over time the reapings will cost an unacceptable amount life / quality of life. 2 billion years is allready enough lost.

[fhs33721]

Destroy. Shepard can't know in universe that everything will blow up as a result and Refuse is just Shepard throwing a hissy fit for the sake of integrity and damming everyone else to die with her/him.

 

We refused Saren's offer.  Why not the brat's?

Because Sarens offer basically is: "Hey join the Reapers, they will still kill everyone and brainwash you but you may live and serve them until your usefulness expires."

While the Cataclysts offer basically is: "Hey my solution works no more, do you wanna blow us up and save almost everyone, take my place and see if you can do better, make all the killing unnecessary by fulfilling my main objective or do you wanna stand there with your thumb up your a*s and let me continue the killing while you are sputtering nonsense?"

Refuse Shepard takes the last option.

[KotorEffect3]

This one really is a no brainer because no matter what with refuse everone is dead and the reapers continue the cycle and then the next cycle has to deal with them.  While low EMS destroy might kill most it is at least saving future civilizations from having to deal with the reapers and the survivors can at least try to settle somewhere and make a life for themselves.

[KaiserShep]

And I'm talking about all Asari. 

 

Yes, I believe that Asari was synthesized. I believe all Asari have been synthesized, thus disputing your point.

Hey, for all you know, a commando was sitting in her own personal Faraday cage the moment it happened.

[dorktainian]

Destroy for the win.  It might be a difficult choice, what with the geth and all AI getting wiped out, but it is THE choice that has to be made.  Anything else would be just giving the reapers what they need.  Be pro-active rather than re-active.