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[Dai Grepher]

I think those posting against me are misunderstanding my position. My problem is not with the existence of sexual content in the game. My issue is with the placement of it.

 

The green fade spirit having boobs makes no difference about anything. It that case the use of nudity fits. Likewise, having depictions of artistic nudity at Skyhold or houses is fitting.

 

Where it doesn't fit is over the Inquisitor's shoulder.

 

Also, this has nothing to do with the real world perspective or perception of nudity. This is about how Thedas views it. Andraste is the bride of the Maker. Depicting her on a mage staff with big breasts hanging out is disrespectful at least, sacrilegious at worst. Having a design of a dress on her would make it respectful.

 

The picture of the shirt posted on the previous page, and the story that goes with it, are perfect examples. For those who don't know, some producer guy wore that very shirt to an interview conducted by a woman. His shirt became the focus of the final report on whatever the interview was about. The guy got all kinds of comments about what he wore being inappropriate and sexist and degrading and whatnot. He was forced to apologize. Now, the question isn't so much the shirt itself, but the time and place for wearing it. You would wear it to work if your work entailed producing a video game with a bunch of other guys who get to eat pizza and drink bear while they work. You would not wear a shirt like that to church.

 

And that's what the issue is here. The Inquisitor is basically the church service, and the Andraste staff of big boobage is the shirt.

 

No one is saying to take sex or nudity out of Dragon Age. Just don't depict it at times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

[TevinterSupremacist]

No one is saying to take sex or nudity out of Dragon Age. Just don't depict it at times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

I have many issues, with almost everything you said, so I'll try to give a reply that covers as much as possible with as little text as possible.

 

*ahem*

 

It is not yours or anyone else's place to decide what is revering and respectful or what are the times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

 

Especially when we're talking about the content of a video game set in a fictional world.

[9TailsFox]

I think those posting against me are misunderstanding my position. My problem is not with the existence of sexual content in the game. My issue is with the placement of it.

 

The green fade spirit having boobs makes no difference about anything. It that case the use of nudity fits. Likewise, having depictions of artistic nudity at Skyhold or houses is fitting.

 

Where it doesn't fit is over the Inquisitor's shoulder.

 

Also, this has nothing to do with the real world perspective or perception of nudity. This is about how Thedas views it. Andraste is the bride of the Maker. Depicting her on a mage staff with big breasts hanging out is disrespectful at least, sacrilegious at worst. Having a design of a dress on her would make it respectful.

 

The picture of the shirt posted on the previous page, and the story that goes with it, are perfect examples. For those who don't know, some producer guy wore that very shirt to an interview conducted by a woman. His shirt became the focus of the final report on whatever the interview was about. The guy got all kinds of comments about what he wore being inappropriate and sexist and degrading and whatnot. He was forced to apologize. Now, the question isn't so much the shirt itself, but the time and place for wearing it. You would wear it to work if your work entailed producing a video game with a bunch of other guys who get to eat pizza and drink bear while they work. You would not wear a shirt like that to church.

 

And that's what the issue is here. The Inquisitor is basically the church service, and the Andraste staff of big boobage is the shirt.

 

No one is saying to take sex or nudity out of Dragon Age. Just don't depict it at times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

Nice post. But Inquisition is not Chantry organization exactly opposite Chantry hate Inquisition. I don't know about you but my Inquisition worship Paragon of manliness Varric Tethras. And I don't care what Chantry think only inquisitor can close breach.

[Dai Grepher]

I have many issues, with almost everything you said, so I'll try to give a reply that covers as much as possible with as little text as possible.

 

*ahem*

 

It is not yours or anyone else's place to decide what is revering and respectful or what are the times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

 

Especially when we're talking about the content of a video game set in a fictional world.

 

I disagree. I am a paying customer. So it is my place to say what is what, even in the Dragon Age world.

 

Whether I am correct or not is another matter, and that is all based on the facts of the game. I think the facts support my opinion.

[Dai Grepher]

@9Tails The Inquisition is not the Chantry, but it is connected to it, and you are called the Herald of Andraste whether you like it or not.

 

@HB I'm not saying BioWare had to do anything. I'm just agreeing that the staff design is not appropriate for the Inquisitor, and the fact that it provides better stats frustrates the situation by making the player choose between stronger attacks and roleplaying consistency.

[Ashelsu]

I disagree. I am a paying customer. So it is my place to say what is what, even in the Dragon Age world.

 

Whether I am correct or not is another matter, and that is all based on the facts of the game. I think the facts support my opinion.

The image I posted previously had a replica of Malcolm's Honor, unique DA 2 staff. He crafted it himself and had no problems using it before his children and leaving it as his legacy to them. One of these children is a very devoted andrastian, rather shy and sheltered. Ingame facts.

If people in Thedas like Malcolm and Bethany Hawke had no problems using this staff, maybe andrastians have different views on this matter than IRL religions and it doesn't bother them.

[TheOgre]

I disagree. I am a paying customer. So it is my place to say what is what, even in the Dragon Age world.

 

Whether I am correct or not is another matter, and that is all based on the facts of the game. I think the facts support my opinion.

 

 

and you can voice your opinion on  the forum, which you have, and follow that up by not paying for the next dragon age game should you see it having art you do not want.

[o Ventus]

 

I also find it ironic how you say "it relates to Thedas, not the real world" (paraphrasing) when you don't take into account that even people in Thedas, who are religious, aren't exactly uptight conservatives, thus are quite open-minded and really couldn't give two tosses about Andraste's golden t*ts on their weapons...

One would think that, if anything, Thedosians would beautify Andraste to honor her. She was supposed to be a pure, righteous example of the very best humanity can aspire to. The Greeks did the same thing with the statues of their gods, only their ideal body type was different.

 

But I'm just a white hetero male, so my opinion on women is invalid by default.

[HuldraDancer]

What I find odd is that (unless the texture rendering is even worse than I thought) the naked figured is about as detailed as a barbie, if it had nipples or something I can kind of see why people would get upset kind of but that statue is shape only more or less.

 

Sorry for not getting one from DAI I couldn't recall the name of the staff in that game.

 

Heck imo it almost looks like the staff has underwear on. Also that face if really damn creepy.

[9TailsFox]

Oh... the irony in that statement is amazing.

 

On a serious note; that is also an excellent point.. it's quite funny how people with bees in their arses about these *coughs* sensitive subject matters don't acknowledge or even comprehend this.

 

Mind you, I'm starting to doubt if it's actually an issue for them.. I think deep down, they're addicted to whinging and will find any material in a book to complain about.

[TevinterSupremacist]

I disagree. I am a paying customer. So it is my place to say what is what, even in the Dragon Age world.

 

Whether I am correct or not is another matter, and that is all based on the facts of the game. I think the facts support my opinion.

What facts? The facts you can provide show that most people in Thedas respect Andraste. Obviously not everyone. But let's say she is to be revered. That's not enough to support your point. To go from "Andraste is to be revered" to "the staff is disrespecting her" you also need "depicting a religious figure's boobs on a staff is disrespectful". By what Thedas' facts can you support the last one?

 

Unless it's not about Thedas' facts and you want to bridge that "gap" in your argument with your own morality, simply because you're consumer. By that logic, someone else who's also a consumer can say that such depictions aren't disrespectful. What now? The staff both is and isn't disrespectful at the same time? Nonesense, trying to build this on your own morality, simply because you're a customer leads to such oxymora.

 

As a consumer, you can have your likes and dislikes. You can voice your opinion on what you enjoy and what you don't, on what you'd want to have more or less. That's fine. That's why the forums exist, it's perfectly welcome to do that. However, jumping from "I dislike x" to "there's something questionable/wrong/disrespectful about x" without any evidence, other than your personal tastes/feelings is simply fallacious.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I think those posting against me are misunderstanding my position. My problem is not with the existence of sexual content in the game. My issue is with the placement of it.

 

The green fade spirit having boobs makes no difference about anything. It that case the use of nudity fits. Likewise, having depictions of artistic nudity at Skyhold or houses is fitting.

 

Where it doesn't fit is over the Inquisitor's shoulder.

 

Also, this has nothing to do with the real world perspective or perception of nudity. This is about how Thedas views it. Andraste is the bride of the Maker. Depicting her on a mage staff with big breasts hanging out is disrespectful at least, sacrilegious at worst. Having a design of a dress on her would make it respectful.

 

But that is exactly your interpretation based on your personal sentiments about how it would apply in the real world. In a fictional world, if the people who created that world deem the depiction of Andraste in that manner to be an acceptable use of the symbol, then by definition, within the context of that world, it is appropriate.

 

It is most certainly not sacrilegious.

 

Your reference to "big breasts hanging out" is an entirely personal assessment, and again has no bearing on the context of a fictional world as interpreted by its own creators.

 

I don't believe anyone has misunderstood you, at all.

 

 

The picture of the shirt posted on the previous page, and the story that goes with it, are perfect examples. For those who don't know, some producer guy wore that very shirt to an interview conducted by a woman. His shirt became the focus of the final report on whatever the interview was about. The guy got all kinds of comments about what he wore being inappropriate and sexist and degrading and whatnot. He was forced to apologize. Now, the question isn't so much the shirt itself, but the time and place for wearing it. You would wear it to work if your work entailed producing a video game with a bunch of other guys who get to eat pizza and drink bear while they work. You would not wear a shirt like that to church.

 

Your assessment is clearly biased. You have utterly glossed over the harassment and abuse that he suffered over that. What was done to him was entirely inappropriate, regardless of how one feels about the shirt that he was wearing.

 

And I'm pretty sure that the ESA sets the standards for what is acceptable for their employees, not you.

 

And that's what the issue is here. The Inquisitor is basically the church service, and the Andraste staff of big boobage is the shirt.

 

Battling in the field is not a church service. People are not at a church service 100% of the time that they are travelling around, which is when the staff appears. And the size of the breasts should hardly be relevant to your point, which makes me wonder why you have now mentioned that several times.

 

The only occasion the Inquisitor is at a church-like location is the garden at Skyhold, at which time the staff does not appear.

 

No one is saying to take sex or nudity out of Dragon Age. Just don't depict it at times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

 

But it is your personal assessment of what situation calls for reverence and respect, not the actual creators of the world. And you have deemed those situations to be 95% of the game, which is incredibly broad, and makes no real sense in context.

[o Ventus]

 

I'm 90% sure this is a joke, but the other 10% of me knows that this is something she would actually say.

 

I don't know which it is.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I disagree. I am a paying customer. So it is my place to say what is what, even in the Dragon Age world.

 

Last I checked, paying customers don't get to decide the canon of a video game. The developers and creators do.

 

Whether I am correct or not is another matter, and that is all based on the facts of the game. I think the facts support my opinion.

 

What facts? You haven't made reference to a single in-game fact about the world that supports your position. Everything you have said is entirely a matter of subjective personal opinion.

[SnakeCode]

I disagree. I am a paying customer. So it is my place to say what is what, even in the Dragon Age world.

 

Whether I am correct or not is another matter, and that is all based on the facts of the game. I think the facts support my opinion.

Everyone disagreeing with you is a paying customer too. Should Bioware listen to you and the OP over everybody else? Oh, and as customers it isn't place to decide what's allowed in the game and what isn't. We aren't patrons.

 

Facts, what facts? We are dealing with opinions here . The only fact is there is a staff with a naked woman's figure atop it. Whether it's appropriate, placed correctly etc is entirely your opinion.

[DomeWing333]

No one is saying to take sex or nudity out of Dragon Age. Just don't depict it at times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

 

The point is that nude human bodies aren't inherently in opposition to reverence and respect. While it would be inappropriate to sexualize the Bride of the Maker, depicting her nude but in an ascending, spiritual pose isn't sexualizing her any more than depicting a nude or semi-nude Jesus Christ on the cross sexualizes him. No one looks at a depiction of Jesus on the cross and thinks "Someone cover up those abs! The Son of God needs to retain his modesty!"

[SnakeCode]

I'm 90% sure this is a joke, but the other 10% of me knows that this is something she would actually say.

 

I don't know which it is.

You never know, Mario is darker than it's given credit for, Peach is the mother of Bowser's kids for example.