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[o Ventus]

 

No one is saying to take sex or nudity out of Dragon Age. Just don't depict it at times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

1. The Chantry goes out of its way to distance itself and separate itself from the Inquisition in DAI. The Inquisition is not a body of the Chantry.

 

2. "You can't have nudity on pieces of reverence!" Someone should have told that to the Greeks, Romans, Hindu's and Egyptians then before they went and made nude statues of their respective deities. Someone might look at a statue of Apollo and see his penis.

[Wulfram]

For instance... we have a very religious devout Leliana.. who, simultaneously, is a spy that kills off people. On another level, she is quite promiscuous, which would be considered immoral by conservative standards.

Leliana in DAI is either apparently celibate, or has been in a committed relationship for 10 years. Just saying.

[HuldraDancer]

You never know, Mario is darker than it's given credit for, Peach is the mother of Bowser's kids for example.

 

I thought Bowser told his kids well one of them anyway that Peach wasn't really his mom. 

[SnakeCode]

So wait.. that must mean Bowser raped her as well.

That isn't known, they are her children though. Maybe there's a huge twist like the end of Braid and Mario is the one kidnapping her, when she's actually living a happy family life with Bowser.

[MACharlie1]

I thought Bowser told his kids well one of them anyway that Peach wasn't really his mom. 

I was about to say. XD

 

And they retconned the other 7 kids into just Koopalings and not Bowser's children.

 

But yeah. Mario series is a lot darker then given credit for. I mean, think of the political discourse the Mushroom Kingdom must be in. It's leader (Who is a princess? Where the hell is your king/queen?!) is constantly being kidnapped by a rival power. 

 

I won't lie. I do want to see an actual dark Mario game - in both storytelling and landscape. 

[SnakeCode]

Oh darn, still Bowser has loads of castles. He must be the richest turtle out there. Mario is a plumber that never does any plumbing. Peach knows what the smart choice is..

[HuldraDancer]

I was about to say. XD

 

And they retconned the other 7 kids into just Koopalings and not Bowser's children.

 

But yeah. Mario series is a lot darker then given credit for. I mean, think of the political discourse the Mushroom Kingdom must be in. It's leader (Who is a princess? Where the hell is your king/queen?!) is constantly being kidnapped by a rival power. 

 

Everytime she gets kidnap the security needs to be buffed around the kingdom she's allowing Bowser to kidnap her for this to happen. She also makes clones of herself too.

 

[SnakeCode]

Daisy is the one with the third eye on the back of her head right?

[General TSAR]

I expected comedy when I clicked on this thread, I was not disappointed. 

[SnakeCode]

I think those posting against me are misunderstanding my position. My problem is not with the existence of sexual content in the game. My issue is with the placement of it.

 

The green fade spirit having boobs makes no difference about anything. It that case the use of nudity fits. Likewise, having depictions of artistic nudity at Skyhold or houses is fitting.

 

Where it doesn't fit is over the Inquisitor's shoulder.

 

Also, this has nothing to do with the real world perspective or perception of nudity. This is about how Thedas views it. Andraste is the bride of the Maker. Depicting her on a mage staff with big breasts hanging out is disrespectful at least, sacrilegious at worst. Having a design of a dress on her would make it respectful.

 

The picture of the shirt posted on the previous page, and the story that goes with it, are perfect examples. For those who don't know, some producer guy wore that very shirt to an interview conducted by a woman. His shirt became the focus of the final report on whatever the interview was about. The guy got all kinds of comments about what he wore being inappropriate and sexist and degrading and whatnot. He was forced to apologize. Now, the question isn't so much the shirt itself, but the time and place for wearing it. You would wear it to work if your work entailed producing a video game with a bunch of other guys who get to eat pizza and drink bear while they work. You would not wear a shirt like that to church.

 

And that's what the issue is here. The Inquisitor is basically the church service, and the Andraste staff of big boobage is the shirt.

 

No one is saying to take sex or nudity out of Dragon Age. Just don't depict it at times when the situation calls for reverence and respect.

 

 

You aren't very informed about #shirtgate it seems. The shirt was worn by Matt Taylor a British astrophysicist who was part of the team responsible for landing the Rosetta spacecraft on the Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. The first time such a thing had been done. He wasn't "some producer guy."

 

He wore the shirt whilst giving an interview at a press conference where he was giving an update on the probe. Was it inappropriate? It probably was yes. What was incredibly inappropriate was the fallout, the vitriol and abuse he recieved as a result. Being called a misogynist, sexist, chauvinist etc for wearing a shirt a female friend made for him? Like this very thread, it's a case of making mountains out of molehills (or flat ground where this thread is concerned.) He should not have been forced to give a tearful public apology for his choice of clothing. Much like a woman wearing a low cut top, he wasn't wearing it for anybody else's attention.

 

The argument given was that people wearing shirts like this was preventing young women from going into those fields of science, which is laughable. If people wearing clothes you don't like is enough to make you quit following your dreams you are either the most mentally frail person on the planet, or that line of work wasn't your passion in the first place, let alone dream. The other funny thing about those articles is that they were written by professional complainers who got their degree in women's studies. Faulting others for making women not want to enter certain fields of academia and work, when they themselves decided to enter one of the cynical, hackneyed, useless "academic" fields out there.

[TheOgre]

You never know, Mario is darker than it's given credit for, Peach is the mother of Bowser's kids for example.

 

She conveniently gets captured every game almost..

 

Huhmmm...

[9TailsFox]

That isn't known, they are her children though. Maybe there's a huge twist like the end of Braid and Mario is the one kidnapping her, when she's actually living a happy family life with Bowser.

I have image for this to.

[o Ventus]

Everytime she gets kidnap the security needs to be buffed around the kingdom she's allowing Bowser to kidnap her for this to happen. She also makes clones of herself too.

 

 

You'd think the Mushroom Kingdom would just outfit their security detail with guns so Peach would finally be safe.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Holy crap, this is a side of Donkey Kong I never knew existed!

[HuldraDancer]

You'd think the Mushroom Kingdom would just outfit their security detail with guns so Peach would finally be safe.

 

Getting kidnapped is her idea its all a ruse a ruse I say! She plans to take everything over by 2030 >.>

[ThreeF]

Getting kidnapped is her idea its all a ruse a ruse I say! She plans to take everything over by 2030 >.>

She's just keeping her soldiers on tiptoes for practice. It's all one big exercise in military maneuver

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

Okay, I just dug up the following quote from Morrigan at the Temple of Mythal. This is when she spots the statue of the Dread Wolf:

"...is as blasphemous as painting Andraste naked in the Chantry."

So it seems Dai Grepher is correct in his assertion that Thedasians might find the staff to be inappropriate/disrespectful. Although I'm inclined to agree with TevinterSupremacist's suggestion that Dai made a leap in logic based on his own sense of morality since he didn't provide Morrigan's quote (or anything else) as an example to support his argument that Thedasians might have a problem with this sort of thing.

But never mind. Morrigan has helpfully established precedent here. Nude Andraste renderings would be considered blasphemous by those who hold her in reverence.

However, this doesn't necessarily mean the Inquisitor should give a toss.

The Inquisitor's attitude towards the Chantry is not fixed. It depends on the player, and the player can, for example, have the Inquisitor be very vocal in his/her contempt for the Chantry. And if he/she wants to wield a weapon that dogmatic worshippers of Andraste would be offended by, what's the problem? What are they going to do? Put an ad in the paper to find someone else who's capable of sealing rifts?

Edit: At this point, I'll remind everyone that we've drifted away hopelessly from the original complaint. The OP was laying charges of sexism at Bioware's feet which has nothing to do with what we're discussing now. Not that I have a problem with that. Just pointing it out.

[TheOgre]

^
Maybe they overlooked this detail in design, or its someone else? Or sarcasm or mere.. Well, dramatics..

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Okay, I just dug up the following quote from Morrigan at the Temple of Mythal. This is when she spots the statue of the Dread Wolf:

"...is as blasphemous as painting Andraste naked in the Chantry."

 

This could be a question of semantics. When I heard that line, I took it to mean "painting Andraste while naked in the Chantry." In any case, it doesn't mean that depictions of Andraste are considered blasphemous, only that either painting a naked image of her while in the chantry, or a naked person painting her while in the chantry would be considered blasphemous.

 

I would consider her example to something akin to "getting drunk at church."

 

In any case, this is all moot, since the Inquisitor doesn't carry the staff around while in the Chantry. For one, the Inquisitor is not in the Chantry. The Chantry specifically rejects the Inquisitor in the opening scenes of the game.

 

For another, the cited example of it being inappropriate was specifically referring to carrying the staff in a place of reverence. The only two occasions I can think of that the Inquisitor would actually carry a staff while in a place of reverence are the church in Redcliffe (a brief scene cleansing demons) and when Leliana and Quizzy go to a chantry location seeking what Divine Justinia left for Lels.

 

The rest of the time, the Quizzy isn't at church, or in a place of reverence.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

This could be a question of semantics. When I heard that line, I took it to mean "painting Andraste while naked in the Chantry." In any case, it doesn't mean that depictions of Andraste are considered blasphemous, only that either painting a naked image of her while in the chantry, or a naked person painting her while in the chantry would be considered blasphemous.

She's trying to invoke an image that compares to the sight of a dread wolf statue in the temple of Mythal. Since the scene in question doesn't include a naked sculptor chiseling the statue before their very eyes, then I think we can safely rule out "a naked person painting Andraste."

Presumably she means "a nude painting of Andraste hanging up on the wall inside of a Chantry." If so, then her script is worded poorly. She could mean "a painting of Andraste naked while she (Andraste) is inside a Chantry." but the former serves as a better parallel to "(object) appearing in (place)."

[SnakeCode]

Supposing the image of a nude Andraste is considered sacreligious. The OP mentioned it was atop the staff of the Archon. That is of Tevinter origin, who don't follow the white chantry like those in southern Thedas. It's entirely possible that it's supposed to be disrespectful of the white chantry, or perhaps not Andraste at all.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Supposing the image of a nude Andraste is considered sacreligious. The OP mentioned it was atop the staff of the Archon. That is of Tevinter origin, who don't follow the white chantry like those in southern Thedas. It's entirely possible that it's supposed to be disrespectful of the white chantry, or perhaps not Andraste at all.

Man, Tevinter really has style. We're going in spells blazing, blood magic casting and staff boobing!

[SnakeCode]

Supposing the image of a nude Andraste is considered sacrilegious. The OP mentioned it was atop the staff of the Archon. That is of Tevinter origin, who don't follow the white chantry like those in southern Thedas. It's entirely possible that it's supposed to be disrespectful of the white chantry, or perhaps not Andraste at all.

Edit- meant to quote something else lol.

[The Hierophant]

Op would have lost it if they read this old post of mine...

And last but not least a 3ft dragon bone gold tipped cane with a curved golden handle in the shape of twin Andrastes entwined in orgasmic embrace.

A man can only dream. *sigh*