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[Grieving Natashina]

Obviously it was not viewed unfavorably, as anyone who played the game can tell you.

Not to mention that I'd like some evidence that the giant topless statue in the Crossroads is causing such a big deal.  It's a topless woman with a sword held above her head, and I believe it's supposed to be Andraste as she's burning in the flames.   I think I've put up the screenshot before, but I'd be happy to do so again.  Clearly the masses aren't upset about that.  

 

By the time you can even get that staff/sword decoration, everyone's pretty much convinced that you're the Herald, you're Andraste's Chosen, whether the character likes it or not (a lil awkward for my agnostic dwarf.)  So, someone seen as many by holy, carrying a holy symbol that's similar in design to the statue right in the middle of the Hinterlands, isn't going to have angry Chantry members come after them.  You're seen as a speaker for the Maker Himself, even if you dispute it at every chance.   For the overwhelming majority of Thedas, you are holy enough for that.

[Grieving Natashina]

I knew I was on to something. Yeah, I think she was burned in the nude.

 

that's all it is. End of story.

I think it her clothes burned away, but otherwise that's how I see it.  A stylized depiction of her sacrifice.

[Dai Grepher]

Obviously it was not viewed unfavorably, as anyone who played the game can tell you.

 

 

 

 

You brought it up, and now you get to decide what about it is relevant?

 

And it's not the same as with the staff. The man in question was not fighting demons in a fictional world. The comparison is absurd.

 

It was not viewed unfavorably because BioWare didn't program any of the game's characters to react to it negatively beyond when they're getting blasted by magic with it.
 

I didn't bring it up. Someone else did. I don't decide what's relevant about it or not, reality does, and the reality is that the guy getting raked over the coals for it has nothing to do with this topic. The point is that people saw the shirt as inappropriate for the time and place it was worn. In my best estimation, some people in Thedas would see the staff as inappropriate for the Inquisitor to carry.

[Farangbaa]

No, it's my opinion of how Thedas would view it. Granted, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Therefore it is my opinion that a pro-Chantry Inquisitor carrying that around in public would be viewed unfavorably.
 
What the shirt guy suffered has nothing to do with this discussion. How does his suffering and hardship change this issue in any way? The point is that people found his shirt inappropriate for the time and place in which he wore it, justly or unjustly, right or wrong. Tis the same case with the staff.
 
I'm not talking about battling in the field. I'm talking about in public places like Orlais or Redcliffe.
 
The point about the breast size is that the design specifically accentuates and draws attention to the breasts. It isn't like a vague general design, it's concentrated on the whole... booby area.
 
All that said, I give the staff to Dorian for irony purposes (or Solas for that matter), or Vivienne if in Orlais. But no, my Inquisitor does not carry it.

That's Andraste.

[Grieving Natashina]

Like who?  Your character and the advisers got everyone pretty much convinced you're the Real Deal, that you are holy (again, even if your character rails against it the whole way,) by the time you're done with Wicked Hearts.   Show me a screenshot of someone pro-Chantry after Wicked Hearts that doubts the holiness of the Inquisitor that isn't convinced before too long.  

 

Otherwise, Jeremiah is right.  You're asking BioWare to change the attitudes of their lore and their NPCs to fit what your sensibilities are.  They aren't going to, since, as some have pointed out, this was already in DA2.   You had your chance back in 2011-2012 (while DAI was still early in development) to complain about the staff before the game came out.   I can't see them changing it because a very few are uncomfortable at the image of Andraste on the staff.

 

I've seen threads along these lines before, and from that experience, I'm pretty sure I know what the devs would say to that.  Pick something else.  You have multiple options.

[DomeWing333]

I don't think that's a good example. Jesus was crucified without much clothing on, as was the practice, since he endured lashes from the cat o' nine tails. Pretty hard to keep clothing on when struck with one of those over and over.

 

Andraste on the other hand was set on fire with her clothes (and probably armor) still being worn. She was also stabbed before her body could be completely engulfed. No historical account of Andraste claimed she lacked clothing. All Chantry depictions of her show her as robed in white at the very least.

 

So the comparison is flawed. Jesus' depiction is of historical nature.

Okay so clothing + cat o' nine tails = tattered rags, but clothing + actual fire = pristine white robe. Most church depictions of Jesus also feature him robed, but the ones of his sacrifice is always semi-nude.

 

But that's beside the point. The point is that admiring the chiseled pecs of a depiction of Jesus speaks to the perversion of the admirer, not of the depiction. Why should the same not hold for Andraste? Because her body is that of a naked woman rather than a naked man?

[Farangbaa]

The Maker created us all in the nude, only for us to harp about how we should feel like crap for it!

Don't forget He first created men with a foreskin, and now insists we cut it off.

Oh wait, messing up real world with Thedas now

[Dai Grepher]

Being a devout Andrastian =/= Revering the Chantry =/= thinking that all of its laws are flawless and should be followed no matter what. The fact that Malcolm and Bethany were apostates in no way diminishes the fact that they were devout Andrastians. 

 

If they're willing to dodge one of the most fundamental tenets of the Chantry, then they are willing to ignore the Chantry's concepts of modesty.
 

[Grieving Natashina]

If they're willing to dodge one of the most fundamental tenets of the Chantry, then they are willing to ignore the Chantry's concepts of modesty.
 

I own World of Thedas.  Now I know you're just making crap up, unless you can give me a page number.  I've been checking on goggle as well.  You're making up lore to excuse your desire to get rid of an optional staff head.

[Farangbaa]

P.s., they already 'gave in' to people like the OP with this throne:



She should've been naked there.

[Dai Grepher]

And again, you keep claiming that your beef is that it is inappropriate in the world of Thedas, when it is clearly not, or it wouldn't be there.

 

You won't admit that it is your own sensitivity that causes you to have issue with it. A sensitivity that isn't shared by others. Claiming that it is disrespectful is an attempt to mask that you are personally offended.

 

If you are personally offended, just say so. It would be a far more respectable position to take than declaring that you have the correct interpretation of what is acceptable in Thedas, but that the game's own creators and developers do not.

 

If I had such a sensitivity I wouldn't have bought the game in the first place. And if I wanted to complain about nudity I would go straight for Cassandra's T&A, not some staff design.

 

How about this? You stop telling me what I think and feel inside my own brain, and you simply accept what I tell you about my own thoughts and feelings.

[DomeWing333]

If they're willing to dodge one of the most fundamental tenets of the Chantry, then they are willing to ignore the Chantry's concepts of modesty.

What fundamental tenet of the Chantry? That "magic should serve man and never rule over him"? How is merely being an apostate a violation of that? If anything, the mage Inquisitor calling themselves the Herald of Andraste and literally ruling over people is more of a violation of Chantry law than Malcolm and Bethany. Is your Inquisitor now going pick up a sword and shield or give up his position to keep with the Chantry laws? 

[Grieving Natashina]

I would also add that Malcolm's Honor is part of a set.. Malcolm's apostate gear are modified robes with the Chantry sun on them. He wasn't trying to be ironic. Listen to him in Legacy. That dude's voice oozes Chantry devotion.

You realize it's like talking to a brick wall.  There is nothing in the lore that suggests that the Chantry has a problem with a nude Andraste.  I've seen stylized icons of nude women in several places in Thedas before this game came out.   It was already established that the statue found in the Black Emporium was controversial because the artist put realistic details in it, not just because it was Andraste.   Plus, the Black Emporium was a giant Easter Egg to begin with.  There a reference to twitter in there, for Odin's sake.

[Lady Artifice]

It's my favorite staff. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah, time to go. I've said my piece, I guess.

C'mon my friend.  Drinks are on me.  

[Angry_Elcor]

 

Why is everyone ignoring how offensive this dungeon decoration of a naked male penis is? Clearly the people of Thedas would be offended by this. It says so in the Book of Elcor. That's a thing. I didn't make it up.

[SnakeCode]

If I had such a sensitivity I wouldn't have bought the game in the first place. And if I wanted to complain about nudity I would go straight for Cassandra's T&A, not some staff design.

 

How about this? You stop telling me what I think and feel inside my own brain, and you simply accept what I tell you about my own thoughts and feelings.

Why Cassandra's and not, say, Dorian or Iron Bull's (who's T&A are pretty much on show throughout the entire game) ? You're trying to hide it, but I think it's pretty clear your problem is with female nudity/the female form.

[Dai Grepher]

1. The Chantry goes out of its way to distance itself and separate itself from the Inquisition in DAI. The Inquisition is not a body of the Chantry.

 

2. "You can't have nudity on pieces of reverence!" Someone should have told that to the Greeks, Romans, Hindu's and Egyptians then before they went and made nude statues of their respective deities. Someone might look at a statue of Apollo and see his penis.

 

But some Inquisitors do try to bridge relations between the Inquisition and the Chantry. Some Inquisitors embrace the title of "Herald of Andraste". Still others simply revere Andraste, and would not want to show disrespect for her.

 

Okay, so people (wrongly) dump on me for allegedly injecting my real world views into the game, yet you get to inject the real world views of past civilizations into it. Nice.

 

I have acknowledged that some nations like Orlais and Antiva and Tevinter would have no problem with the staff. But, some people in Thedas would, and it's for those people that the pro-Chantry Inquisitor would not carry such a staff. Even if these people are 5% of the population, the respect would be shown for their sake.

 

Let's also remember that this is about the perspective of our own Inquisitors, which is something we the players get to define. So as the foremost authority on my Inquisitor, I get to determine if he has a problem with the staff or not.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Why Cassandra's and not, say, Dorian or Iron Bull's (who's T&A are pretty much on show throughout the entire game) ? You're trying to hide it, but I think it's pretty clear your problem is with female nudity/the female form.

 

I have a problem with the female form... because I didn't criticize Cassandra's T&A?

 

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[Lady Artifice]

After skimming the thread I also want to echo the sentiment that nudity =/= objectification. 

 

 

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