707 réponses à ce sujet

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

I said I personally don't mind that she's nude, and that my main concern is the breast size and shape, and thus the emphasis. That is a separate issue from what the people of Thedas would take issue with.

No, you never said that. You have maintained throughout this discussion that your opinion was based on your interpretation of Thedasian culture.

Time and brain cells I'll never get back. It took you several pages to clarify your position which you could have done with something like:

"I think the staff is inappropriate because I think for the most part, the people of Thedas would frown upon Andraste being depicted nude. The nudity doesn't bother me personally except for the size of the breasts. They needn't be that big."

[Dai Grepher]

I could've sworn that had more to do with the amount of detail that was put into the statue, rather than the fact that she was nude in the first place.

 

 

You could also say, "It's just a statue."  Not a very strong piece of evidence.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with the fact that she knew Justinia personally.  Justinia =/= Andraste.  Plus, just because Cassandra takes issue with it, does not mean that most people in Thedas do as well.

 

 

The Guardian is a very poor example simply due to his disconnection with the rest of the world for centuries.  He's actually somewhat surprised when you tell him that Tevinter is no longer as powerful as it once was.  Plus, he actually knew Andraste, so he would likely see such depictions as highly disrespectful.  Why?  Because he was directly affected by her actions, which led to him being utterly devoted to defending her, and likely, her honor.

 

You likely wouldn't care if you saw nude pics of some random woman you didn't know, but I'd assume that you'd take offense to someone posting nude pics of one of your friends on the internet.

 

 

 

The former has more to do with the disagreement between Tevinter and the White Chantry nations over Andraste.  The latter has more to do with the fact the human/elf pairings are frowned upon in most circles.  All this proves is that people are highly offended when their opinion on Andraste's image is confronted with conflicting opinions.

 

 

 

1: Again, Cassandra doesn't represent the majority of Thedas.  Think about it like this: a lot of people will laugh at jokes about asians except asians themselves.  Obviously, there are exceptions, but just because some people are offended at the joke, does not mean that applies to everyone.

 

2: Again, this has to do with the fact that Cassandra knows Cullen.  She sees him as a friend and would not like to see his dangly bits due to that.  It has nothing to do with her stance on nudity in general.

 

3: Dorian's.... Dorian.  Just because he's from Tevinter, doesn't mean that he represents the entirety of the population.  Just like how IB doesn't represent the entirety of the Qun or how Anders doesn't represent all mages.

 

 

1: You seem to remember his story differently than I do.  He never said anything about people being shocked or offended.  In fact, he specifically says that they all started applauding.

 

2: Sera has a dirty mind.  Besides, when she says "Not like that.", she's saying that because she is not attracted to men and doesn't want any confusion about that.

 

 

I get that this is your opinion, but your reasoning behind it doesn't really add up.  Anyway, I just wanted to actually say something somewhat constructive on here for once, not start an argument.

 

* heads back to sidelines and resumes munching on popcorn *

 

It isn't the detail. Read the codex.

 

It doesn't matter that you can possibly react to Ander's behavior differently. The point is that you can react to it in a way that rebukes him. Thus proving some in Thedas take issue with those who disrespect the Prophetess.

 

Cassandra confirms to Sera that she did not know Justinia personally. Leliana did. Maybe not most people, but enough people. The devout would, and that is all my position requires, that enough people would be offended.

 

Regardless of the Guardian's perspective, Leliana was affected by his words. She protested that she was not trying to claim she was equal to Andraste. So clearly Leliana saw his point and how what she claimed could be seen as equating herself with Andraste. The Guardian also confirmed that her saying this brought negative attention to her by others in the Loathering Chantry. Negative attention that she reveled in.

 

Your analogy is flawed. First, the staff depicts Andraste, whom people in Thedas do not know personally, but they know who she was, and she is their religious figurehead. So that would offend them as if it were a nude pic of their friend. Second, the depiction would be on the Inquisitor, not on a wall somewhere.

 

Are you sure about that? I thought the Imperial Chantry believed the same as the white Chantry except for the "magic is meant to serve man not rule over him" meaning. Believing that Andraste was not the Maker's chosen kind of defeats the whole purpose of the Chant.

 

Was it about elves, or was it about infidelity? And let's say you're right that people take issue with their opinions of Andraste being challenged. Do you really think most people in Thedas picture the Prophetess as nude with large breasts?

 

1. Cassandra represents the devout.

 

2. Being a friend should make it less awkward, not more.

 

3. But Dorian and The Iron Bull are okay with nudity. The point is, Dorian comes from a culture that is okay with it, hence the staff. All right, maybe Tevinter does have conservative types who would be offended by the staff. That would only support my point further.

 

1. Which is exactly why it's a funny story. The recruit should have been embarrassed, and the crowd should have been shocked. Instead, some in the crowd made light of the situation, which got others to join in. This made the recruit feel less embarrassed to the point where he embraced the situation rather than run from it in shame and humiliation. Cassandra exclaims, "He did not!" Blackwall laughs. Varric says, "That's how you KNOW it's true! I could never put that in a book, too unlikely." I'm paraphrasing. If nudity meant nothing, everyone would have shrugged and said, "So what? He was naked in front of everyone. Nothing to be ashamed about."

 

2. Sera can say that even after it's well established that she isn't attracted to men. She has a dirty mind, but the point is she didn't have a dirty mind about Blackwall. It was just a weird curiosity. If nudity means nothing, it would have been nothing for her to say that.

 

Thanks for reading and replying.

[Dai Grepher]

No, you never said that. You have maintained throughout this discussion that your opinion was based on your interpretation of Thedasian culture.

Time and brain cells I'll never get back. It took you several pages to clarify your position which you could have done with something like:

"I think the staff is inappropriate because I think for the most part, the people of Thedas would frown upon Andraste being depicted nude. The nudity doesn't bother me personally except for the size of the breasts. They needn't be that big."

 

That's what I've said from the beginning. If you check my posts you'll see that.

 

My opinion that the people of Thedas would be offended is based on my observations of characters and lore in the game.

 

My personal views on the staff are that the breasts are too large and detailed. I think if the design was less detailed and more abstract (or had clothing), it would work for the Inquisitor and the people of Thedas wouldn't be offended by it.
 

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

That's what I've said from the beginning. If you check my posts you'll see that.

My opinion that the people of Thedas would be offended is based on my observations of characters and lore in the game.

My personal views on the staff are that the breasts are too large and detailed. I think if the design was less detailed and more abstract (or had clothing), it would work for the Inquisitor and the people of Thedas wouldn't be offended by it.

You haven't until NOW separated your own personal opinion of the staff from the opinions you think the characters should have of it.

Natashina, SnakeCode, others who have been engaging you in this discussion....surely someone else would have noticed if you were as clear as you allege.

[KBomb]

I said I personally don't mind that she's nude, and that my main concern is the breast size and shape, and thus the emphasis. That is a separate issue from what the people of Thedas would take issue with.

In any of your examples does anyone express offense at her breast size, though. What if she did have large breasts, and by the way, those aren't ridiculously big, considering how curvy the rest of the body is. You're the only one who seems upset at that little tidbit. What if Andraste had large breasts, but the artist downsized them and made them small? Would you still be under the opinion that it's "wrong"?

[Grieving Natashina]

In any of your examples does anyone express offense at her breast size, though. What if she did have large breasts, and by the way, those aren't ridiculously big, considering how curvy the rest of the body is. You're the only one who seems upset at that little tidbit. What if Andraste had large breasts, but the artist downsized them and made them small? Would you still be under the opinion that it's "wrong"?

Before anyone claims "unrealistic" when it comes to size, I have a good friend of mine that's a size 36 Double I (US size.)  That wasn't a typo.  The letter "i" and yes, all natural.  She started, erm, blooming when she was 9 yrs old.  Which also does happen.  

 

 I knew they were big, but I wouldn't have believed it if she hadn't shown me the tag for her bra.

 

Sorry, just wanted to get that out there.  Oh and Gamer said everything I was going to.  

[KBomb]

Before anyone claims "unrealistic" when it comes to size, I have a good friend of mine that's a size 36 Double I (US size.) That wasn't a typo. The letter "i" and yes, all natural. She started, erm, blooming when she was 9 yrs old. Which also does happen.

I knew they were big, but I wouldn't have believed it if she hadn't shown me the tag for her bra.

Sorry, just wanted to get that out there. Oh and Gamer said everything I was going to.

Oh yes, I know. I was never such...uh, equipped. I have quite a few friends that were packing, though, in spite of the fact they were tiny built. Women do literally come in every shape and size-- and none of them offensive.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh yes, I know. I was never such...uh, equipped. I have quite a few friends that were packing, though, in spite of the fact they were tiny built. Women do literally come in every shape and size-- and none of them offensive.

I wasn't telling so much you, as I was the person that's insisting that big boobs were "disrespectful."  That's wonderfully ignoring that in many cultures, large breasts are a symbol of motherhood.  Andraste is seen as a mother by most of the human population of Thedas, so it makes sense to me.   Not to mention that I don't spend the game staring at my staff.  I'm usually more concerned about my footing, or I'm gathering something.  Yeah, I know I can buy/skip a lot of that stuff, but it's the best way to find rare herbs and Fade-touched ore.  

 

Secondly, I have the screenshot where Cullen is talking about the time a templar lost all of his clothes.  According to Cullen, the man "Stood up, saluted, turned on his heel and walked out like he was in full armor.  The entire room started applauding."  So there's that.  

 

Also, the Cassandra quote made me giggle, because she's one of the most buttoned-up characters in the series.  Naturally she's going to be uncomfortable with nudity, and she certainly does not reflect the attitudes of Thedas as a whole.  I mean, does most of Thedas get turned Tranquil and then commune with a Spirit of Faith?  I'm not saying that the Spirit aspect changes her any, but I do wonder if being turned Tranquil during the Vigil might have something to do with how tightly she keeps everything in.  Plus, years of training and learning to be more of a fighter and interrogator puts her in a unique mindset.  

 

She's a lot like Aveline, in the sense I can see both lady warriors not being comfortable with nudity.

 

Cass has learned for years (since DotS, so 18-20ish years by now, if not going back to her noble/royal upbringing) to keep herself at a distance from everyone.  Her only romantic outlet (unless she romances a Lord Inquisitor) is her romance novels.   Otherwise, even she'll admit that at times she stays too focused on the task at hand to really get to know the people around her.

 

He keeps bringing up the Black Emporium Andraste codex yet again, which is rather humorous.   It ended up in the Black Emporium, along with the Barrel of Lost Socks and the twitter reference.   It also is a reminder that even the writers have said that not every codex should be taken as the literal truth.  Considering all the other out-of-place references that are in there, I don't think we should take most of what we read from TBE as lore.

 

I would also figure that, if you brought Sebastian during the Legacy DLC, he'd comment on it then.  That's where the tier 3 piece originates from after all.  He doesn't, nor does anyone else.  I would rank Sebastian up there with Leliana in terms of overall pure faith in Andraste, so he would've spoken up.  

 

One of the few things I liked about Sebastian was his faith, but he did talk about it an awful lot.  That would have been the perfect time to mention it.  Or even Anders.  Remember, he did comment on a statue of Andraste during Awakening, as well as Sebastian's...belt buckle in DA2.

 

Edit: Malcom's Honor was originally crafted so Malcom Hawke's staff wouldn't draw attention while in Lothering.  Apparently, it worked well enough to were the family was able to hide just fine until the Blight.  If the breasts being too large had been a problem in a tiny village in southern Ferelden (where folks call that country "backwater") I think the rest of Thedas is okay with it.

 

Look, at this point, anyone is free to politely ask David Gaider about this.  I stress politely, but there is actually a good chance he might answer.  If folks are polite and don't spam him, he's pretty good about answering lore questions so long as it doesn't directly spoil the next game.  Twitter seems to be the best way of reaching him.   Try to find a way to word it in short characters, but simply ask him if the people if Thedas care if Andraste has big boobs on the staff piece.  I bet the answer will be no, mixed with some serious snark. 

[KBomb]

I wasn't telling so much you, as I was the person that's insisting that big boobs were "disrespectful." That's wonderfully ignoring that in many cultures, large breasts are a symbol of motherhood. Andraste is seen as a mother by most of the human population of Thedas, so it makes sense to me. Not to mention that I don't spend the game staring at my staff. I'm usually more concerned about my footing, or I'm gathering something. Yeah, I know I can buy/skip a lot of that stuff, but it's the best way to find rare herbs and Fade-touched ore.

Secondly, I have the screenshot where Cullen is talking about the time a templar lost all of his clothes. According to Cullen, the man "Stood up, saluted, turned on his heel and walked out like he was in full armor. The entire room started applauding." So there's that.

Also, the Cassandra quote made me giggle, because she's one of the most buttoned-up characters in the series. Naturally she's going to be uncomfortable with nudity, and she certainly does not reflect the attitudes of Thedas as a whole. I mean, does most of Thedas get turned Tranquil and then commune with a Spirit of Faith? I'm not saying that the Spirit aspect changes her any, but I do wonder if being turned Tranquil during the Vigil might have something to do with how tightly she keeps everything in. Plus, years of training and learning to be more of a fighter and interrogator puts her in a unique mindset.

She's a lot like Aveline, in the sense I can see both lady warriors not being comfortable with nudity.

Cass has learned for years (since DotS, so 18-20ish years by now, if not going back to her noble/royal upbringing) to keep herself at a distance from everyone. Her only romantic outlet (unless she romances a Lord Inquisitor) is her romance novels. Otherwise, even she'll admit that at times she stays too focused on the task at hand to really get to know the people around her.

He keeps bringing up the Black Emporium Andraste codex yet again, which is rather humorous. It ended up in the Black Emporium, along with the Barrel of Lost Socks and the twitter reference. It also is a reminder that even the writers have said that not every codex should be taken as the literal truth. Considering all the other out-of-place references that are in there, I don't think we should take most of what we read from TBE as lore.

I would also figure that, if you brought Sebastian during the Legacy DLC, he'd comment on it then. That's where the tier 3 piece originates from after all. He doesn't, nor does anyone else. I would rank Sebastian up there with Leliana in terms of overall pure faith in Andraste, so he would've spoken up.

One of the few things I liked about Sebastian was his faith, but he did talk about it an awful lot. That would have been the perfect time to mention it. Or even Anders. Remember, he did comment on a statue of Andraste during Awakening, as well as Sebastian's...belt buckle in DA2.

Look, at this point, anyone is free to politely ask David Gaider about this. I stress politely, but there is actually a good chance he might answer. If folks are polite and don't spam him, he's pretty good about answering lore questions so long as it doesn't directly spoil the next game. Twitter seems to be the best way of reaching him. Try to find a way to word it in short characters, but simply ask him if the people if Thedas care if Andraste has big boobs on the staff piece. I bet the answer will be no, mixed with some serious snark.

It's okay. I didn't take it that you were "telling" me, I was in agreement-- like, oh, I know!

I don't think Bioware put much thought in what the staff stood for, more likely it was just an artistic idea represented. As I stated earlier, to me it's a representation if Andraste being reborn from the ashes. People will have different interpretations, as with any art.

I remember reading that a lot of "holy" men were kind of appalled with the works in the Sistine Chapel, yet it remains and thousands flock to it every single year. I grew up catholic and I can tell you, I have seen many works of art showing holy mother figures, breasts out, holding a baby. It represented a mother caring for her children.

The said poster seems to be offended, or upset-- on the off-chance and unsubstantiated theory that the figure *may* have had small breasts, yet they were changed for objective purposes. It's like getting upset you didn't bring an umbrella on a sunny day.

[Dai Grepher]

You haven't until NOW separated your own personal opinion of the staff from the opinions you think the characters should have of it.

Natashina, SnakeCode, others who have been engaging you in this discussion....surely someone else would have noticed if you were as clear as you allege.

 

Again, if you go back and read my posts you will see that I made this distinction from the beginning.

 

That everyone failed to pick up on it does not necessarily mean I was unclear.

[Dai Grepher]

In any of your examples does anyone express offense at her breast size, though. What if she did have large breasts, and by the way, those aren't ridiculously big, considering how curvy the rest of the body is. You're the only one who seems upset at that little tidbit. What if Andraste had large breasts, but the artist downsized them and made them small? Would you still be under the opinion that it's "wrong"?

 

None of my examples demonstrate any character acknowledging the staff design at all. The examples demonstrate that many in Thedas would be upset by nude or sexual themes in general being applied to Andraste.

 

However, my reference to the Chantry artwork does imply that giving Andraste large breasts would be considered offensive, and that's because all Chantry artwork depicts Andraste with small or average breasts. This seems to be a more historically accurate attempt at portraying Andraste. The only real exaggeration any artwork has made about Andraste has been the length of her hair. One particular piece shows it as being extremely long and flowing like the wind. Artistic flare to be sure. In my opinion, exaggerating her breast size would be considered sexualization in the eyes of the people of Thedas and to the Chantry.

 

Nothing indicates she had large breasts, but if she did and the artist downsized them, then I think people would be upset by that too.

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

Again, if you go back and read my posts you will see that I made this distinction from the beginning.

That everyone failed to pick up on it does not necessarily mean I was unclear.

Christ.

Look, you came in complaining about the t!ts. Other posters challenged your opinion working under the assumption that your opinion was based on your own view.

Then on the next page you claimed everyone was misunderstanding you and then you went on to say this...

Also, this has nothing to do with the real world perspective or perception of nudity. This is about how Thedas views it.

You went from "This is my opinion" to "No, it's Thedas's opinion" and now we're apparently at "No, it's one part my opinion and another part Thedas's opinion. Depends on whether we're talking about t!t size or just nude Andraste in general."

Lol, and now you say "...does not necessarily mean I was unclear." Yes. Yes it does. Either all of these people arguing with you, myself included, have poor reading comprehension, or you're dreadful at effectively communicating what you mean.

[Dai Grepher]

I wasn't telling so much you, as I was the person that's insisting that big boobs were "disrespectful."  That's wonderfully ignoring that in many cultures, large breasts are a symbol of motherhood.  Andraste is seen as a mother by most of the human population of Thedas, so it makes sense to me.   Not to mention that I don't spend the game staring at my staff.  I'm usually more concerned about my footing, or I'm gathering something.  Yeah, I know I can buy/skip a lot of that stuff, but it's the best way to find rare herbs and Fade-touched ore.  

 

Secondly, I have the screenshot where Cullen is talking about the time a templar lost all of his clothes.  According to Cullen, the man "Stood up, saluted, turned on his heel and walked out like he was in full armor.  The entire room started applauding."  So there's that.  

 

Also, the Cassandra quote made me giggle, because she's one of the most buttoned-up characters in the series.  Naturally she's going to be uncomfortable with nudity, and she certainly does not reflect the attitudes of Thedas as a whole.  I mean, does most of Thedas get turned Tranquil and then commune with a Spirit of Faith?  I'm not saying that the Spirit aspect changes her any, but I do wonder if being turned Tranquil during the Vigil might have something to do with how tightly she keeps everything in.  Plus, years of training and learning to be more of a fighter and interrogator puts her in a unique mindset.  

 

She's a lot like Aveline, in the sense I can see both lady warriors not being comfortable with nudity.

 

Cass has learned for years (since DotS, so 18-20ish years by now, if not going back to her noble/royal upbringing) to keep herself at a distance from everyone.  Her only romantic outlet (unless she romances a Lord Inquisitor) is her romance novels.   Otherwise, even she'll admit that at times she stays too focused on the task at hand to really get to know the people around her.

 

He keeps bringing up the Black Emporium Andraste codex yet again, which is rather humorous.   It ended up in the Black Emporium, along with the Barrel of Lost Socks and the twitter reference.   It also is a reminder that even the writers have said that not every codex should be taken as the literal truth.  Considering all the other out-of-place references that are in there, I don't think we should take most of what we read from TBE as lore.

 

I would also figure that, if you brought Sebastian during the Legacy DLC, he'd comment on it then.  That's where the tier 3 piece originates from after all.  He doesn't, nor does anyone else.  I would rank Sebastian up there with Leliana in terms of overall pure faith in Andraste, so he would've spoken up.  

 

One of the few things I liked about Sebastian was his faith, but he did talk about it an awful lot.  That would have been the perfect time to mention it.  Or even Anders.  Remember, he did comment on a statue of Andraste during Awakening, as well as Sebastian's...belt buckle in DA2.

 

Edit: Malcom's Honor was originally crafted so Malcom Hawke's staff wouldn't draw attention while in Lothering.  Apparently, it worked well enough to were the family was able to hide just fine until the Blight.  If the breasts being too large had been a problem in a tiny village in southern Ferelden (where folks call that country "backwater") I think the rest of Thedas is okay with it.

 

Look, at this point, anyone is free to politely ask David Gaider about this.  I stress politely, but there is actually a good chance he might answer.  If folks are polite and don't spam him, he's pretty good about answering lore questions so long as it doesn't directly spoil the next game.  Twitter seems to be the best way of reaching him.   Try to find a way to word it in short characters, but simply ask him if the people if Thedas care if Andraste has big boobs on the staff piece.  I bet the answer will be no, mixed with some serious snark. 

 

Forum ate my post. This one will be short.

 

Again, not talking about other cultures, only Thedas. The issue is not what we the players look at, but how people in Thedas view the Inquisitor for carrying the staff.

 

Cullen's story proves me right.

 

Cass is not buttoned-up. She keeps her sexual side to herself. She is not uncomfortable with nudity in private. Cass represents the devout. Therefore, there are enough people in Thedas who would take offense to the staff design, therefore the pro-Chantry Inquisitor would logically not carry said staff.

 

You are dismissing evidence. Just because the historical codex is in a location that also contains non-canon material does not mean it is also non-canon.

 

Sebastian won't comment on it because BioWare didn't write any lines for him regarding that item. Taken from a storyline perspective, he would have taken issue with it. Even so, silence does not imply complaisance.
 

Malcolm made the staff head to appear as a Chantry themed ornament. Why he made her nude is unknown. Perhaps because the officials would be uncomfortable with nudity and would be less inclined to ask about it. Still, I doubt he carried it around with him. He likely would have kept it in his house. So this proves nothing.

[Dai Grepher]

It's okay. I didn't take it that you were "telling" me, I was in agreement-- like, oh, I know!

I don't think Bioware put much thought in what the staff stood for, more likely it was just an artistic idea represented. As I stated earlier, to me it's a representation if Andraste being reborn from the ashes. People will have different interpretations, as with any art.

I remember reading that a lot of "holy" men were kind of appalled with the works in the Sistine Chapel, yet it remains and thousands flock to it every single year. I grew up catholic and I can tell you, I have seen many works of art showing holy mother figures, breasts out, holding a baby. It represented a mother caring for her children.

The said poster seems to be offended, or upset-- on the off-chance and unsubstantiated theory that the figure *may* have had small breasts, yet they were changed for objective purposes. It's like getting upset you didn't bring an umbrella on a sunny day.

 

Probably right about BioWare's thought process. Yes, people will have different interpretations, including ones that find the design offensive. Hence why the pro-Chant Inquiz would not carry it.

 

That's a decent example, but it proves that some take issue with such depictions. As such, the pro-Chant Inquiz would not carry one around with him.

 

I am not offended or upset at all. Just saying enough people in Thedas would be to where the pro-Chant Inquiz would not carry the staff around.

[sleasye74]

@dai grepher
Your making this a bigger issue than it is
The staff head is art and beautiful art so can this thread please die it was amusing at first now it's getting annoying

[Fade-Touched-in-the-head]

@dai grepher
Your making this a bigger issue than it is
The staff head is art and beautiful art so can this thread please die it was amusing at first now it's getting annoying

It's attrition warfare. Eventually he'll "win" after we finally walk away from the battlefield in exasperation, which I'll do right now. Good riddance, thread.

[Farangbaa]

Seriously, the guy has just been saying the same thing for 27 pages.

Attrition warfare indeed.

[Dai Grepher]

Christ.

Look, you came in complaining about the t!ts. Other posters challenged your opinion working under the assumption that your opinion was based on your own view.

Then on the next page you claimed everyone was misunderstanding you and then you went on to say this...


You went from "This is my opinion" to "No, it's Thedas's opinion" and now we're apparently at "No, it's one part my opinion and another part Thedas's opinion. Depends on whether we're talking about t!t size or just nude Andraste in general."

Lol, and now you say "...does not necessarily mean I was unclear." Yes. Yes it does. Either all of these people arguing with you, myself included, have poor reading comprehension, or you're dreadful at effectively communicating what you mean.

 

In post #405 I said that I thought the design was inappropriate for the Inquisitor. That was my first post in this thread.

 

In post #409, Panda understood my post and agreed with it.

 

In post #412 I replied to you saying that I thought the point of this thread was that the look was inappropriate for an Inquisitor trying to command respect from the people, but because the stats were exceptional it made the choice not to carry the staff particularly vexing to some players.

 

In post #416 you even seemed to understand my point, and you referenced the DoJ as an analogy to the Inquisition.

 

Things didn't start to derail until Godfather's post at #420 where I was accused of finding nudity offensive. That is when I clarified that this was about how the people of Thedas view the design.

 

Read #451 and you will see that I clarified EVERYTHING in that one post. Those who continued to misunderstand after that only have themselves to blame.

[Dai Grepher]

It's attrition warfare. Eventually he'll "win" after we finally walk away from the battlefield in exasperation, which I'll do right now. Good riddance, thread.

 

Like I said many times before, this is not about who is right or wrong, winning or losing. This thread is about our opinions.

 

Remember, I didn't even want to post the evidence that supported my opinion. I only did so because you and others requested it.
 

[sleasye74]

Wow is this thread gunna die soon? Can someone put a gif of thread killing on here or will that give it more life?

 

I couldnt even play the DAI because of bugs and every time i come to feedback & suggestions to see if the patch is ready or for more info, this damn thread keeps being at the top

BSNers like to have fun but damn the fun was sucked out awhile ago

 

@dai gerpher

All this because your pro chantry inquisitor wouldnt use the staff?

If so please start a different character then so its not a big issue for you

[sleasye74]

Frown has been turned upside down  lol and thank you

That miley one is f*cking crazy and the infamous eyeroll is what i was doing every time dai gerpher said the same thing over and over and over

[sleasye74]

Best way to win a attrition BSN battle derail the thread, i dont want to but im having a hard time not doing it

And honoruable bigot if i ever have another block party you are gunna be the party starter, you seem like the party type?

I need a dab so i can chillout

[Dai Grepher]

Wow is this thread gunna die soon? Can someone put a gif of thread killing on here or will that give it more life?

 

I couldnt even play the DAI because of bugs and every time i come to feedback & suggestions to see if the patch is ready or for more info, this damn thread keeps being at the top

BSNers like to have fun but damn the fun was sucked out awhile ago

 

@dai gerpher

All this because your pro chantry inquisitor wouldnt use the staff?

If so please start a different character then so its not a big issue for you

 

No, it's because other members on here wanted to argue about my opinion and my personal viewpoints. Then they wanted my evidence. I was ready to leave this thread alone a long time ago.