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[leaguer of one]

Completely and entirely irrelevant. Every human villain in existence has a mother. Does that mean their mother is 'real' conflict of the story because the villain wouldn't have even existed if she didn't give birth to him? No. That's ridiculous.

The villains mother is not the maker and giver of their power to destroy the world. It's not irrelevant at all. You missed the fact that Solas gave him the orb?

It like saying a weapon seller is not responsible for the people killed by the ones they sold weapons to even though they knew full well what they were going to do with the weapons.

[BabyPuncher]

That's completely true. In every story ever where the villain has guns, is the arms dealer that supplied them now the 'real' villain of the story because he sold them the hardware they needed? Is the arms dealer the 'real' conflict because the villain wouldn't have been able to shoot people without him?

 

No. 95% of the time the source of the villain's weapons isn't even mentioned. Because it's entirely irrelevant. It makes no difference where he got the guns, it's not something the story is concerned with. It makes no difference if the arms dealer knew exactly what the villain was going to do with the weapons.

[leaguer of one]

That's completely true. In every story ever where the villain has guns, is the arms dealer that supplied them now the 'real' villain of the story because he sold them the hardware they needed? Is the arms dealer the 'real' conflict because the villain wouldn't have been able to shoot people without him?

 

No. 95% of the time the source of the villain's weapons isn't even mentioned. Because it's entirely irrelevant. It makes no difference where he got the guns, it's not something the story is concerned with. It makes no difference if the arms dealer knew exactly what the villain was going to do with the weapons.

If they sold them  the weapon know full well what they were doing it for and planning to use those people he sold it to to there own ends , then yes they are the villains too.

 

Remember, not only did Solas gave Cory the orb but he was  planning to take the orb back one Cory unlocked it. The clearly shows he was playing both sides.

[Rekkampum]

If they sold them  the weapon know full well what they were doing it for and planning to use those people he sold it to to there own ends , then yes they are the villains too.

 

Remember, not only did Solas gave Cory the orb but he was  planning to take the orb back one Cory unlocked it. The clearly shows he was playing both sides.

 

Don't feed the hurlocks. You're bantering with a guy that gave Call of Duty credit for storytelling.

[Voodoo Dancer]

hell no, not even close to how crappy the original ending of ME3 was .

[s-jay2676]

I agree. The ending is much worse than ME3. To me the ME3 director's cut ending wasn't perfect and had some issues, but at least it was emotional and did not feel as empty as DA:I ending.

[Master Warder Z_]

Let it sink in for a bit. Solas and Flemeth are the real players in the story. They shape the history and future of the Dragon Age universe

Pfft.

[leaguer of one]

Pfft.

It's like Flemeth did not save 2 people who helped shape the world and Solas did not give Cory the orb.

[Herr Uhl]

It's like Flemeth did not save 2 people who helped shape the world and Solas did not give Cory the orb.

It was the warden that compelled her to do something due to their pure awesome. It had nothing to do with Flemeth. Same story with Hawke. And with Maric. And with Calenhad.

She has really never done anything of import.

[leaguer of one]

It was the warden that compelled her to do something due to their pure awesome. It had nothing to do with Flemeth. Same story with Hawke. And with Maric. And with Calenhad.

She has really never done anything of import.

And it's that same story when she popped up in the end of DAI? ...tHIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!

[prosthetic soul]

I'm going to have to disagree with the OP completely.  Just because Bioware TRIED to do something different with the ME 3 ending doesn't mean it gives them one iota of credit, nor does it mean that it is preferable to an ending that lacks punch like in DA:I.  I can TRY to sell someone a box with a gigantic turd inside, does that mean I'm suddenly better than someone else who tries to sell a box with NOTHING inside? 

[In Exile]

Pure awesome?

The Warden was a FNG who was sent up a tower to light a signal while everyone else was fighting the main horde of Darkspawn.

You were recruited by being pure awesomeness. That's why Duncan wanted you. Living past Ostagar was a fluke.

[KaiserShep]

I agree. The ending is much worse than ME3. To me the ME3 director's cut ending wasn't perfect and had some issues, but at least it was emotional and did not feel as empty as DA:I ending.

 

To be fair here, the ending of DA:I is meant to be a prelude to something more. ME3's ending was meant to be a huge tie-up of all the loose ends of the entire trilogy.

[leaguer of one]

Pure awesome?

 

The Warden was a FNG who was sent up a tower to light a signal while everyone else was fighting the main horde of Darkspawn.

Some one clearly does not get sarcasm.

[s-jay2676]

To be fair here, the ending of DA:I is meant to be a prelude to something more. ME3's ending was meant to be a huge tie-up of all the loose ends of the entire trilogy.

It shouldn't be a requirement to buy some DLCs or sequels just so a player can begin to enjoy the original game. If this was BioWare's plan all along, than it misfired, because now they will have to convince me buy any of the DLCs or future Dragon Age games.

[Rekkampum]

You were recruited by being pure awesomeness. That's why Duncan wanted you. Living past Ostagar was a fluke.

 

In my case, "pure awesomeness" was being a mass-murdering City Elf on a Tarantino-esque revenge trip against the shems that took my cousin and ruined my wedding.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I may be one of the few who hold this opinion, but this game's ending seemed as though it didn't ensure closure to me. So while I thought it was lackluster when taken at face value, I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt in the sense that it's a work-in-progress and there's still more to it (i.e. DLC).

[Master Warder Z_]

It's like Flemeth did not save 2 people who helped shape the world and Solas did not give Cory the orb.

And? A blight ender and a Refugee.

And Solas will die for that action and likely others so...

That's not a chess strategy I'd endorse.

Sometimes things happen because they happen.

Grand conspiracies are fun but unlikely.

[In Exile]

In my case, "pure awesomeness" was being a mass-murdering City Elf on a Tarantino-esque revenge trip against the shems that took my cousin and ruined my wedding.

He wanted to recruit the CE before that time. It was because of your mother.

[Rekkampum]

He wanted to recruit the CE before that time. It was because of your mother.

 

Party pooper.

[BabyPuncher]

If they sold them  the weapon know full well what they were doing it for and planning to use those people he sold it to to there own ends , then yes they are the villains too.

 

No, they aren't. That is just silly. That would mean 90% of stories have villains the story never mentions, no character ever encounters on screen, and are never confronted by anything or anyone.

[leaguer of one]

No, they aren't. That is just silly. That would mean 90% of stories have villains the story never mentions, no character ever encounters on screen, and are never confronted by anything or anyone.

Tead my entire post...

"If they sold them  the weapon know full well what they were doing it for and planning to use those people he sold it to to their own ends"

 

Solas gave Cory the orb to manipulate him to unlock the orb for him and planned take it away when he did so. When that plan failed he work with the inquis to try and get it back.

[BabyPuncher]

First of all, you have no evidence for any of that.

 

Secondly, anything or anyone that the villain depended on to do whatever stuff he did does not become a villain.

[leaguer of one]

First of all, you have no evidence for any of that.

 

Secondly, anything or anyone that the villain depended on to do whatever stuff he did does not become a villain.

1. Mt evidence is the epilogue that has Flemeth and Solas states that was Solas' plan.

2. Only if your willing to grab at straws. This is not the case. Solas gave Cory the orb just to have in unlock it. That does not ring any alarms in your head?