Look you can take all this Sera apologisms, yo, and that's cool. She don't want to date her own race or hang with her own people. Fine.
Apologisms? Please, you got it wrong. The issue here was never human vs elf. Human have nothing to do with the fall of the elves. The issue is elves vs elves. Elves own hubris and pride is in the way of there own glory and they just use humans as a scap goat.
That's what Malcolm said about black males.
Ironic.
Please... The dalish in general are too proud to admit to any wrong doing at the red crossing and that they were and will always be in the right. Only a few of the dalish beleive the issue was not understanding their neighbors. And even the the majority of the dalish will not listen to the few. I understand the greatness of elven glory but everyone who supports them misses the issue of elven hubris. How can they be great agein as long as their hubris is still around?
If they're too proud to admit wrong doing at Red Crossing, then why is it that the Dalish Clan we give the information to not only accept the elves own wrong doing there, but send a mourning halla, the most sacred animal that belongs to the Dalish, to Red Crossing as a tentative first step to try and apologize and hopefully move past it? Whereas the Chantry as a whole when given the information completely whitewash the human fault and utterly change the motivations of the elves and the convert, who outright says in the information that it was only verbal platitudes with no real belief because he wanted to be with his human lover.
The dalish's biggest fault isn't their pride or their lack of knowledge, it's their lack of unity. One clan is completely different from another, and while they share religious beliefs, their culture and practices are very different far and wide. Where Minaeve's clan abandoned her at the age of seven because they couldn't handle more than a few mages, Inquisitor Lavellan's clan took care of extra mages until they could help them move into another clan that needed more mages. Where the Dalish of Tevinter are barely better than bandits, we had Merrill's clan not wanting to incite violence and thanks Hawke for sending the templars away peacefully in Act 2, even after the templars tortured one of their young hunters with fire.
The clans are separated, and thus they have culturally evolved separately. That makes it impossible to truly judge all Dalish based on the actions of one clan because another clan acts in a manner entirely contrary to the first. From one clan that may hunt humans to another clan that freely gives humans elven lore as we see in the dalish multiplayer characters descriptions.
If they're too proud to admit wrong doing at Red Crossing, then why is it that the Dalish Clan we give the information to not only accept the elves own wrong doing there, but send a mourning halla, the most sacred animal that belongs to the Dalish, to Red Crossing as a tentative first step to try and apologize and hopefully move past it? Whereas the Chantry as a whole when given the information completely whitewash the human fault and utterly change the motivations of the elves and the convert, who outright says in the information that it was only verbal platitudes with no real belief because he wanted to be with his human lover.
The dalish's biggest fault isn't their pride or their lack of knowledge, it's their lack of unity. One clan is completely different from another, and while they share religious beliefs, their culture and practices are very different far and wide. Where Minaeve's clan abandoned her at the age of seven because they couldn't handle more than a few mages, Inquisitor Lavellan's clan took care of extra mages until they could help them move into another clan that needed more mages. Where the Dalish of Tevinter are barely better than bandits, we had Merrill's clan not wanting to incite violence and thanks Hawke for sending the templars away peacefully in Act 2, even after the templars tortured one of their young hunters with fire.
The clans are separated, and thus they have culturally evolved separately. That makes it impossible to truly judge all Dalish based on the actions of one clan because another clan acts in a manner entirely contrary to the first. From one clan that may hunt humans to another clan that freely gives humans elven lore as we see in the dalish multiplayer characters descriptions.
I mean in general. Not every single one is like that but the vast majority is. Some do get past the pride ans hate. Most don't and still blame humans for everything and get blinded by past glories.
And I never said the chantry was better. I'm equally angry at them as the elves over the crossing issue. And the issue of lack of unity is a issue for all elves. The dalish still his heavy in pride with their issues. Not all dalish or clans are the same but the majority are still trapped in their own pride.
I mean in general. Not every single one is like that but the vast majority is. Some do get past the pride ans hate. Most don't and still blame humans for everything and get blinded by past glories.
And I never said the chantry was better. I'm equally angry at them as the elves over the crossing issue. And the issue of lack of unity is a issue for all elves. The dalish still his heavy in pride with their issues. Not all dalish or clans are the same but the majority are still trapped in their own pride.
Eh, fair enough.
I'm just really used to people bashing on the elves and the Dalish, sometimes for the sake of bashing on them. The Dalish do have, from what we've seen, a huge victim mentality mixed with a sense of superiority. But the Dalish do have many good parts and virtues as well. They have the most advanced magical technology, or they did at one point, and even today (the Dragon Age) the magically advanced Tevinter is still using elven artifacts.
The eluvians in and of themselves are a marvel of magical engineering. Fast travel across vast distances, instant communication, and even the creation of a pocket dimension. There are those artifacts we track down with Solas that can increase the strength of the veil between the real world and the Fade once activated, the orb Corypheus uses is an elven magical foci.
If the elves ever got a homeland where they can live on their own terms and recovered even a small portion of their lost magical lore and ability to craft artifacts of amazing power then they could easily negate any numerical disadvantages they have in regards to humans should conflict ever occur again.
If the elves ever got a homeland where they can live on their own terms and recovered even a small portion of their lost magical lore and ability to craft artifacts of amazing power then they could easily negate any numerical disadvantages they have in regards to humans should conflict ever occur again.
doubtful
doubtful
You do know the the elves of old made planes of existence in the fade.
You do know the the elves of old made planes of existence in the fade.
the elves of old being the operative part of that
the Dalish who lived in the Dales weren't anywhere near close to that, and the current Dalish can't even rub together enough mages to not die out from mundane stuff like "being slaughtered by humans"
This is, by far, the most "The Internet is Serious Bizness" message board in the world. It beats political and religious forums any day of the week.
Just sayin'.
Please... The dalish in general are too proud to admit to any wrong doing at the red crossing and that they were and will always be in the right. Only a few of the dalish beleive the issue was not understanding their neighbors. And even the the majority of the dalish will not listen to the few. I understand the greatness of elven glory but everyone who supports them misses the issue of elven hubris. How can they be great agein as long as their hubris is still around?
What exactly do you base your asessment on? I mean, out of four clans we encountered one way or another in the games, one reacted pretty good to being presented with information on Red Crossing, one had its storyteller express his hope that one day elves will be reunited and while Dalish teach city elves the elven ways, they in turn would be taught to better understand shemlen to not repeat past mistakes. And then there is the clan Inquisitor comes from, perfectly capable of asking Inquisition for help and working together with humans in Wycome.
It's true that elves remain isolationist, but they really have little choice on the matter if they want to keep their culture. Is it hubris? What exactly could they do differently? The war was but a beginning of destruction of Dales, after all - Chantry proceeded with an organized effort to snuff out elven culture and take any pride elves could've held in their heritage, including their involvement in the original Exalted March of Andraste. Saying that the thing standing in the way of elven greatness is their hubris is preposterous. Yeah, Dalish have their problem, but they're hardly the nation most prone to white-washing themselves, in fact they are much more accepting of their shortcomings than either Orlais or Tevinter - and these two are the major human powers on national level. And noone, literally noone in Thedas can even compete with Chantry when it comes to re-writing history to feel better about it.
So no. Dalish may be too isolationist and a bit too proud at times (especially in contacts with city elves), but their admittance that they miss a lot of critical puzzle pieces is more than most great human powers are capable of when it comes to admitting not-always-being-right. Dalish are actively looking for truth, even if Solas doesn't like the way they come about it. Humans, on the other hand, feel they already know everything and if presented with evidence they butcher it and twist around for the sake of their version of the story.
What exactly do you base your asessment on? I mean, out of four clans we encountered one way or another in the games, one reacted pretty good to being presented with information on Red Crossing, one had its storyteller express his hope that one day elves will be reunited and while Dalish teach city elves the elven ways, they in turn would be taught to better understand shemlen to not repeat past mistakes. And then there is the clan Inquisitor comes from, perfectly capable of asking Inquisition for help and working together with humans in Wycome.
It's true that elves remain isolationist, but they really have little choice on the matter if they want to keep their culture. Is it hubris? What exactly could they do differently? The war was but a beginning of destruction of Dales, after all - Chantry proceeded with an organized effort to snuff out elven culture and take any pride elves could've held in their heritage, including their involvement in the original Exalted March of Andraste. Saying that the thing standing in the way of elven greatness is their hubris is preposterous. Yeah, Dalish have their problem, but they're hardly the nation most prone to white-washing themselves, in fact they are much more accepting of their shortcomings than either Orlais or Tevinter - and these two are the major human powers on national level. And noone, literally noone in Thedas can even compete with Chantry when it comes to re-writing history to feel better about it.
So no. Dalish may be too isolationist and a bit too proud at times (especially in contacts with city elves), but their admittance that they miss a lot of critical puzzle pieces is more than most great human powers are capable of when it comes to admitting not-always-being-right. Dalish are actively looking for truth, even if Solas doesn't like the way they come about it. Humans, on the other hand, feel they already know everything and if presented with evidence they butcher it and twist around for the sake of their version of the story.
First of all we have many account of dalish arrogance. Much more then there benevolence. So lets not pretend that if the true come up that most will not have their head in the same. Just because a few are willing does not mean all will believe.
And Ironicly that isolation made them loss everything. They did not need to do so to save there culture. They only did that to censored other perspectives. Before red crossing it was not like the chantry were hording into their land with sword forcing conversions. They just did not want anything to distract from what they truly believes was their culture...We was totally wrong any way. A country by itself does not last long and ironically the only reason they are free is do to those human they are trying to keep out. The isolation was unneeded and an over reaction to their enslavement by teventer.Their hubris was to label all humans enemies and thinking they could do everything alone.
And Solas already proves you wrong on the dalish note...
First of all we have many account of dalish arrogance. Much more then there benevolence. So lets not pretend that if the true come up that most will not have their head in the same. Just because a few are willing does not mean all will believe.
And Ironicly that isolation made them loss everything. They did not need to do so to save there culture. They only did that to censored other perspectives. Before red crossing it was not like the chantry were hording into their land with sword forcing conversions. They just did not want anything to distract from what they truly believes was their culture...We was totally wrong any way. A country by itself does not last long and ironically the only reason they are free is do to those human they are trying to keep out. The isolation was unneeded and an over reaction to their enslavement by teventer.Their hubris was to label all humans enemies and thinking they could do everything alone.
And Solas already proves you wrong on the dalish note...
No, Solas is a d*ck and I'm not surprised that they turned him down. I played a whole game with Solas usually in my party and I'm pretty sure the way he approached dalish was something in the lines "you're all stupid, now listen as I tell you how stupid you all are and everything you believe in is false and how you should abandon all your beliefs". Even when talking about Vallaslin with a woman he loves he fails to even consider alternate cultural significance of these marks now. And in ToM he says about Dalish something along the lines "never mistake them for arbiters of true elven culture". Notice that it's not "original" or "ancient" elven culture - he just doesn't consider them to truly be elves. I can see why he thinks like that, but I really can't hold it against the Dalish that they kicked out a stranger that came to them with such attitude to "educate them" about something he saw in his dreams so it is undeniably true.
Sorry, but the fact that Solas believes most Dalish wouldn't listen with how openly he despises them and their culture... that's about as strong a "proof" as Sera spouting her nonsense. The both know about as much about Dalish.
And while isolation of Dales were a major liability, isolation of post-Dales Dalish is the main reason why they managed to preserve anything of their culture through the ages. Or at the very least that's how it works in the South. Isolation of Dales was carelessness. Isolation of Dalish is necessity. Though perhaps not to the extent they practice it.
Also, please, do bring to me the examples of modern Dalish presented with evidence of their past being a certain way and vehemently denying the truth/twisting it into something completely unrecognizable. And no, someone claiming "I saw it in the Fade so it must be true, especially since I'm so much smarter than you all" doesn't count as evidence 
And as for isolation of Dales, btw, there is also the aspect of immortality they believed they could regain by isolation - a belief that, as we're told, does indeed have at least some truth to it... To an extent it was a reverse quarantine.
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I agree the ending is complete garbage
seems like they spent all their resources on the boring open world instead of the story
its very short and unsatisfying
No, Solas is a d*ck and I'm not surprised that they turned him down. I played a whole game with Solas usually in my party and I'm pretty sure the way he approached dalish was something in the lines "you're all stupid, now listen as I tell you how stupid you all are and everything you believe in is false and how you should abandon all your beliefs".
Um, only you have no proof of it at all. Oh sure, now he's not exactly subtle when it comes to expressing his disappointment with the Dalish, but we can't tell how he approached them through all those years and how long it took until he abandoned hope for the scattered Dalish to ever listen to him.
Even when talking about Vallaslin with a woman he loves he fails to even consider alternate cultural significance of these marks now.
Depending in the response he either says that he admires their indomitable spirit - or how they knew enough to raise an elf that has managed to impress him in a way none did since ancient times. Even in the balcony scene, if Inquisitor says that the Dalish had little influence oh how she is as a person, he says "Yes, you're wise to give yourself that due - although the Dalish, in their fashion, might still have guided you".
So here you're wrong - bitter as he is, he still tries to give them at least some credit.
Also, please, do bring to me the examples of modern Dalish presented with evidence of their past being a certain way and vehemently denying the truth/twisting it into something completely unrecognizable.
Well... even in the romance scene you have an option for elf Inquisitor to scream in Solas' face that what he says is bullsh*t.
Also, the sample of "the Dalish being presented with truth" is probably too small to be representative, as this scenario doesn't happen very frequently.
As for twisting the thing into something that is unrecognizable - isn't vallasslin a good example? Or the fact that elves destroyed themselves in ancient times, instead of humans?
Um, only you have no proof of it at all. Oh sure, he's not exactly subtle when it comes to expressing his disappointment with many Dalish, but we can't tell how he approached them through all those years and how long it took until he abandoned the hopes for the scattered Dalish to ever listen to him.
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So here you're wrong - bitter as he is, he still tries to give them at least some credit.
(...)
He's not a complete idiot to entirely discard someone's upbringing in context of how someone turns out. But that's the tiny "you're a credit to your people" moment deviating from his usual approach.
And as for the other thing - I doubt it was long at all, seeing as he didn't even try and approach city elves (that much can be confirmed). But you're right, it's not stated how quickly he has given up on them. All we can say is that subtlety he exhibits now is generally comparable to sledgehammer.
Well... even in the romance scene you have an option for elf Inquisitor to scream in Solas' face that what he says is bullsh*t.
Also, the sample of "the Dalish being presented with truth" is probably too small to be representative, as this scenario doesn't happen very frequently.
As for twisting the thing into something that is unrecognizable - isn't vallasslin a good example? Or the fact that elves destroyed themselves in ancient times, instead of humans?
First of all, Dalish don't even know for a fact that Vallaslin actually dates back to Arlathan, much less nuances of its use then. And Elvhenan being destroyed by humans (with no pesky details like civil war that made it possible) is the version perpetuated by Tevinter - the truth has been lost long before Dales came to existence. It's one of the things that were forgotten or misinterpreted, not something the modern Dalish got into their hands and corrupted so that it conforms to some official version of their history.
As for vallaslin, note that the "bullshit" part does not, in fact (and despite what dialog wheel paraphrase would suggest) express disbelief as much as anger - he refuses to teach the Dalish but suddenly he approaches her with this information of what the marks "really" mean (initially even denying that they honor the gods, though he backs away from that statement a moment later). Although, to his defense, I must say that this once in the whole game he actually acknowledged Dalish as a culture, seeing as he uses a phrase "or at least they were in time of ancient Arlathan", so he apparently considers possibility that the meaning could've changed - for him that's a very generous statement.
Unfortunately, we're unable to witness what the Dalish would do with this knowledge were the Inquisitor to pass it to them (though likely she should say that it's knowledge based on what she learned in ToM rather than from her boyfriend right before he dumped her, that would be bad for credibility 
). Though frankly (I've said it a couple times but I can repeat once more ) I find it hard to consider Vallaslin origin so shocking that it would turn Dalish culture upside down... Basically, there were masters that chose what god their slave would honor with markings on his face. Now Dalish choose their markings as the first adult decision in their life. I can see how one evolved into the other, really - isn't freedom all about being your own master, with control over your own life?
Either way, with all the things they got wrong, Dalish appear to be remarkably right about certain other things: their gods existed, immortality was apparently a thing, there IS powerful elven magic still left in the world and it's still beyond human ability to replicate it. They are also actively seeking out old lore and while we don't get many examples of them actually getting their hands on something important, we hear that apparently they do their best to exchange what they learn among clans and the one unambiguous example when presented with solid evidence of something uncomfortable, they behave MUCH better than humans.
I don't say they have no problems, nor that they shouldn't have put more effort into - at the very least - hearing Solas out when he came to them. But what we learn is far from confirming Sera's views of Dalish. They explicitly say they know little of their own history, the one instance when presented with uncomfortable historical evidence they actually accept it... Likely there are clans that would actually suit Sera's description pretty well, but the general picture we get is far from that. And, as I said - there is apparently lots of history and elven wonders left to recover, which means that Dalish, as imperfect as they are and as flawed as their current understanding of their own history is... they are right.
They just have longer way to go than they perhaps think
He's not a complete idiot to entirely discard someone's upbringing in context of how someone turns out. But that's the tiny "you're a credit to your people" moment deviating from his usual approach.
And as for the other thing - I doubt it was long at all, seeing as he didn't even try and approach city elves (that much can be confirmed). But you're right, it's not stated how quickly he has given up on them. All we can say is that subtlety he exhibits now is generally comparable to sledgehammer.
He's not exactly subtle in criticizing anything he thinks is deserving of it - which is, like, everything 
Elves, dwarves, humans, Chantry, etc.... even Elvenhan (in banter) which he called no better than Tevinter at its time - he also chastised Dorian for romanticizing elves of old.
For someone who is considered a trickster and deceiver, he's astoundingly honest in his opinions, lol. Hence him not exactly coddling the Dalish is not a surprise - it's just that type of character: probably way too bitter, with hopes broken way too many times to not be pessimistic about... well, if not everything, then most things.
First of all, Dalish don't even know for a fact that Vallaslin actually dates back to Arlathan, much less nuances of its use then. And Elvhenan being destroyed by humans (with no pesky details like civil war that made it possible) is the version perpetuated by Tevinter - the truth has been lost long before Dales came to existence.
A good reason to be bitter about, especially if one approaches the clans and tries to teach the truth, only to be dismissed as a lunatic or worse.
As for vallaslin, note that the "bullshit" part does not, in fact (and despite what dialog wheel paraphrase would suggest) express disbelief as much as anger - he refuses to teach the Dalish but suddenly he approaches her with this information of what the marks "really" mean
Well, at least according to him, she's actually a person who *can* listen and deserves to know, even if she's initially angry about it. I mean, let's face it - for all the imagined personalities individual Inquisitors have in players' heads, to befriend - and especially romance - Solas, one has to assume that given Inquisitor is open-minded enough to accept harsh truths... otherwise I can't see the friendship/romance working at all: the bickering and frustration would be endless xD
Also, it's not that he denied that they honored the gods - but their main purpose was to mark slaves.
Though it should be said that the whole vallaslin thing was something he came up with in a spur of a moment (which still has to mean he was severely bothered by it) - as he was about to reveal the truth about himself (and that's according to his writer).
Though frankly (I've said it a couple times but I can repeat once more
Um, how is being one's own master and controlling one's life symbolized by a.) giving in to what tradition dictates, with no questioning of how this tradition began in the first place, and b.) obtaining a lifelong mark to honor and follow a given god?
It's like saying that marriage was the first adult decision in a woman's life, back when it was expected for her to only marry and have kids, AND with a husband her family picks...
In fact, I think this is exactly what bothers Solas so much about vallaslin - it's sort of a double-slavery thing, for those that were enslaved; they were forced to not just serve the higher caste, but also forced to follow gods that their masters have followed.
Not to mention that it's probably a double insult for the Dread Wolf himself, seeing how passionate he is about freedom - to see people he probably freed from a hopeless fate embracing the symbol of what he rebelled against. The irony of that is just too grand to be dismissed as a mere change in culture (due to lack of knowledge or else). Dunno about you, but I'd harbor some resentment about it.
Either way, with all the things they got wrong, Dalish appear to be remarkably right about certain other things: their gods existed, immortality was apparently a thing, there IS powerful elven magic still left in the world and it's still beyond human ability to replicate it. They are also actively seeking out old lore and while we don't get many examples of them actually getting their hands on something important, we hear that apparently they do their best to exchange what they learn among clans and the one unambiguous example when presented with solid evidence of something uncomfortable, they behave MUCH better than humans.
The fact that they behave better than humans is a no-brainer, seeing how humans are portrayed as more bellicose than other races, at least in modern Thedas. But I'm not sure it could be claimed that it's been only through the Dalish that the knowledge of their gods, immortality of elves or powerful magic existed - I don't think even the Chantry denied the existence of elven gods, even if they claim that they're false gods (just like do with Old Gods of Tevinter - though we don't really know what either were).
As for exchanging knowledge... well no, for me this isn't apparent at all, seeing how scattered clans are and how different is their approach to, say, the outside world (with some Dalish clans being little else than bandits, some disappearing in forests entirely and some openly trading with humans, etc).
This is going so far off topic... But ok, I'll still comment, mostly on Vallaslin, just this one last time (and I'll drop the topic of elves for the time being, this thread is about bickering about poor ending and/or defending it )
Being an adult means that you become a full member of your society with all the freedom and status - but also all the responsibilities that come with this. Symbolic marking of the body isn't uncommon as element of rite of passage and origins of certain associated tradition are completely unimportant. That much is true for most traditions ever, really - the meaning may be important, but where it came from? If people get wed, do you really expect them to investigate where did the idea of exchanging rings originate from?
You ask how can taking on a permanent marking of one of the gods be considered the first adult decision - but that's precisely why. Being an adult and the master of yourself means taking responsibility for your decisions, the first one being the choice of symbol you're going to bear on your face for the rest of your life. It's not a choice that really changes much in your life, but it IS permanent. The consequences of your choice at this point may not be great, but you can't shrug them off.
And, unlike the girl you mentioned (and if you wanted to draw paralell you could really take City Elves from the same world ), the young elf does have the choice of both the god he wants to take for his initial patron as well as time at which he receives the vallaslin. I assume there is a set minimum age, but it's the candidate that must be ready (and in fact even if he thinks he is ready, the Keeper can still stop the ritual if he thinks otherwise) - and we're told by Codex that supposedly there is no stigma attached to those that don't manage to gain the vallaslin right when they are first eligible to attempt it.
And as for sharing knowledge - there is Arlathvhen. Although I do believe that not all clans attend each time and that those that attend often do it through a small delegation rather than going all the way with the whole clan... still, it's the great periodic meeting dedicated to demonstrating unity, sharing whatever they managed to learn since the last meeting, retelling old stories, furiously shouting at each other* and generally keeping up with the rest of the Dalish.
*Dalish are apparently about as good at coming to understanding as Fereldan nobles. Or people on BSN, if you will
Bickering's been over for a while, now people just discuss random things here
In any case - yes, symbolic markings is not uncommon element of rite of passage, but you'd have hard time finding many that would have such gruesome history. Neither do wedding rings.
Add to that the fact that the Dalish claim that they're trying to preserve their culture, as faithfully as they can, yet the fact that those were slave markings - or that there was slavery in Elvenhan - is entirely omitted.
Also - gruesome history or not, it still doesn't mean that the tradition itself should be upheld, especially only because 'it's tradition'. So is circumcision (especially female one in some regions of the world). Or going through rituals or body modifications that severely disfigure a person.
I'm not saying that vallaslin does - though taking into account that it's considered blood writing and the ink's considered sacred, we really have no idea if the tattoo doesn't do something magical (it doesn need magic to be removed, so...).
we're told by Codex that supposedly there is no stigma attached to those that don't manage to gain the vallaslin right when they are first eligible to attempt it.
What about those who don't want to do it in the first place?
Anyhoo, I have my doubts that Arlatvhen is anything big - seems more like a local affair that brings a few local clans that know each other together.
That's a whole other issue. Well, not a whole other issue, but it's related to the issue that I spoke of. She embodies the same ideals as humans, believing in Andraste and completely writing off everything that happened in the Elven temple. Notice her reaction is much like Cassandra's. They both were in a state of disbelief after Arbor fields. She also often talks about how she doesn't like how the dalish act, nor does she believe in their traditions. She's an elf that wants to be accepted as a human, despite the fact that humans generally don't respect her kind.
Not exactly, I don't think Sera wants to be accepted as a human she just hates being classified according to race. There's a bit of dialogue where she remembers the Jenny's in Denerim fondly "They didn't give two squirts about who or what you were, it was all about what you did." There's also a point where you can say something like "I understand now why you're not like other elves" (In her Romance I think) where she makes a statement about how people are so much more than their race regarding herself and the Inquisitor.
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What about those who don't want to do it in the first place?
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Anyhoo, I have my doubts that Arlatvhen is anything big - seems more like a local affair that brings a few local clans that know each other together.
As for the first: well, it's not like anyone forces them if they refuse to join the community as adults. They can go and find their own way if this life is not for them.
As for the second, it's said to be pretty much an all-clan meeting. In fact the idea that most clans don't participate every time and those that participate often do it through delegation (say, Keeper with small escort) - it's already a headcanon to make it more believable.
Not exactly, I don't think Sera wants to be accepted as a human she just hates being classified according to race. There's a bit of dialogue where she remembers the Jenny's in Denerim fondly "They didn't give two squirts about who or what you were, it was all about what you did." There's also a point where you can say something like "I understand now why you're not like other elves" (In her Romance I think) where she makes a statement about how people are so much more than their race regarding herself and the Inquisitor.
She says that outside of being romanced as well.
I wonder... I've never played any of the ME3 games, but a friend who played all of them explained the whole series to me, and all the problems with the ending, yet it didn't really seem so bad from the way he described. I guess it's because I didn't play the games and get invested into the series. But I wonder, is Final Fantasy XIII-2's ending worse than ME3?
Probably not the place to ask, but what was so bad about the ending...?
This thread is hilarious. It started out with some moron bitching about the ending and how people enjoy companions and romance and now it's completely side-tracked into the Dalish and the Chantry.
This thread is hilarious. It started out with some moron bitching about the ending and how people enjoy companions and romance and now it's completely side-tracked into the Dalish and the Chantry.
All we need is a mage vs templar debate thrown into the mix, some Gaspard vs Celene vs Briala discussion, and a debate on Flemeth, the Well of Sorrows and a pizza to cover all the ground necessary.
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