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[Dann-J]

If only it was a "Staff of Ironfist" instead of a hammer. Then monk-Khelgar would be a dervish of destruction with Flurry of Blows active.

 

Spoiler

The hammer is quite a decent weapon though; +4 enhancement, alchemical silver, 1d8 electrical damage, +6 to strength, and a 5% chance of knocking enemies down. And that's without its special 8d6 lightning damage ability (which I can never be bothered micro-managing him to activate). It's perfect for taking out the high-level vampires you meet in the shadow fortress, who need a magical silver weapon to bypass their damage reduction.

 

I've always found monk-Khelgar to be more use at the end of the game than fighter-Khelgar. By level 20 a monk has immunity to disease and poison, immunity to mind affects, and spell resistance - just what you need to face spellcasting undead. It's a pity his wisdom is so low though.

[Arkalezth]

Even with MotB installed? 

 

Yes, that's what I mean - capped at 20 even if epic levels are "installed". I haven't tested it personally, but I think I've seen it mentioned on occasion.

 

Edit: Tested it. It's capped indeed.

[Thorsson64]

Yes, you reach 1 point below level 21 and stop IIRC.

[4760]

I'm not sure your total number of points is capped. When I started MotB with the character from the OC, the level up event fired immediately when the first module was loaded. The level itself, yes, but the count of XP still continues to increase.

[Groove Widdit]

Is 30 the max level in the game?

[4760]

I think so.

[unclejoe1917]

If only it was a "Staff of Ironfist" instead of a hammer. Then monk-Khelgar would be a dervish of destruction with Flurry of Blows active.

 

Spoiler

The hammer is quite a decent weapon though; +4 enhancement, alchemical silver, 1d8 electrical damage, +6 to strength, and a 5% chance of knocking enemies down. And that's without its special 8d6 lightning damage ability (which I can never be bothered micro-managing him to activate). It's perfect for taking out the high-level vampires you meet in the shadow fortress, who need a magical silver weapon to bypass their damage reduction.

 

I've always found monk-Khelgar to be more use at the end of the game than fighter-Khelgar. By level 20 a monk has immunity to disease and poison, immunity to mind affects, and spell resistance - just what you need to face spellcasting undead. It's a pity his wisdom is so low though.

Very true, though I have never gotten "emotionally attached" enough to Khelgar to care about his desire to be a monk and follow through with that quest. I really ought to get on board with that.  Maybe make a dwarven monk myself and be a long lost cousin that mentors him.  Hmmm.  Too bad Zhjaeve isn't available to romance.  That wisdom and inner calm would be a good match with a monk.  

[unclejoe1917]

Very true, though I have never gotten "emotionally attached" enough to Khelgar to care about his desire to be a monk and follow through with that quest. I really ought to get on board with that.  Maybe make a dwarven monk myself and be a long lost cousin that mentors him.  Hmmm.  Too bad Zhjaeve isn't available to romance.  That wisdom and inner calm would be a good match with a monk.  

Oh wait.  Monks don't get wrapped up in things like romance. 

[GCoyote]

Oh wait.  Monks don't get wrapped up in things like romance. 

 

Download Tsongo's "Bad Habits" for a slightly off-center take on monks.

[Dann-J]

I'm not sure your total number of points is capped. When I started MotB with the character from the OC, the level up event fired immediately when the first module was loaded. The level itself, yes, but the count of XP still continues to increase.

 

That's what my experiment just confirmed. I gave a heap of XP to my 20.5 level character in a save game from just before the final fight. You can exceed the amount of XP necessary to level up to 21, but the level up process doesn't trigger.

 

Does that mean that races with an effective character level (ECL) greater than zero could indeed reach level 20, if they minimised their party size to maximise XP from kills?

[I_Raps]

The level you can reach is 20, but you can continue to earn XP beyond that.  IF there is a limit on XP, it is the amount needed for a duergar to reach level 20 (though I don't think you can reasonably get there - on two tries, I fell so far short I doubt it could be overcome by milking - unless you want to haunt Merdelein (sp?) for months).

 

When you export your PC just before the final battle and import him into MOTB, if you have enough extra XP you can level up immediately, often two or three levels at once.

[Naeryna]

My monk Khelgar could use hammer. What are you talking about?

[Naeryna]

The level you can reach is 20, but you can continue to earn XP beyond that.  IF there is a limit on XP, it is the amount needed for a duergar to reach level 20 (though I don't think you can reasonably get there - on two tries, I fell so far short I doubt it could be overcome by milking - unless you want to haunt Merdelein (sp?) for months).

 

When you export your PC just before the final battle and import him into MOTB, if you have enough extra XP you can level up immediately, often two or three levels at once.

 

 

I was human cleric and I reach level 20 just after victory over shadow reaver at the Keep. When I met everyone in throne room and when Aldernon told us he found the way into merdelaine. You have option to rest a bit, and everyone is in your party. Then I level up everyone. And rested everyone.

[Dann-J]

My monk Khelgar could use hammer. What are you talking about?

 

Flurry of Blows can't be used when wielding anything other than a kama, staff, or shuriken. Monk-Khelgar gets fewer attacks per round using the hammer.

[GCoyote]

Personally I had no problem with the basic tank Khelgar. Because you pick him up early, he's the PC you have most control over during development. All of the others have a little baggage by the time they join you and you have to adapt what you get, when you get it. By the time you reach the decision point of his monk/vision quest, Khelgar should be pretty well tuned to your style of play. I basically use him as a short,ornery panzer kampfgrupe. He charges about and causes havoc while I handle the precision magic and archery. 

[Dann-J]

Very true, though I have never gotten "emotionally attached" enough to Khelgar to care about his desire to be a monk and follow through with that quest. I really ought to get on board with that.  Maybe make a dwarven monk myself and be a long lost cousin that mentors him.  Hmmm.  Too bad Zhjaeve isn't available to romance.  That wisdom and inner calm would be a good match with a monk.  

 

Monk is the favoured class of the Githzerai, so taking the habit should improve your chances with her.

 

Spoiler

I've never played the OC as a monk, but if you do and you choose to build a monastery in Crossroad Keep, you can learn the ways of the Sun Soul.

[unclejoe1917]

Monk is the favoured class of the Githzerai, so taking the habit should improve your chances with her.

 

Ohhh, that and a dozen roses and I am going to make her mine.  I hope she's into dwarves.  I did't know that about the other thing either.  This should be a pretty fun play through. 

[Naeryna]

Flurry of Blows can't be used when wielding anything other than a kama, staff, or shuriken. Monk-Khelgar gets fewer attacks per round using the hammer.

 

Oh, that.

He is still very good fighter (although some other companions sadly become better fighters).

[Kaldor Silverwand]

Isn't there a SoZ makeover for the OC?

Yes there is. The Makeover allows you to have party members other than the shard-bearer do your talking, mainly so that you have the freedom to select non-dialogue skills for him/her, but it does not implement the SoZ party chat mechanism.

[MayCaesar]

Qara definitely had the highest damage output in my group. Of course she was a glass cannon and would die instantly if someone was to focus on her, but that's what Khelgar is for!

 

My group for the majority of the game consisted of me (Arcane Archer), Khelgar (amazing tank), Neeshka (someone's gotta open all those locks, plus I am a rare person to like her conversations) and Qara. But manuall I controlled Qara most of the time. Neeshka didn't do much in combat, Khelgar was pretty straightforward and didn't require much manual control beside initial positioning, PC just stood far away and automatically shot enemies... The result of the combat usually depended on how effective my placement for Qara's AOE spells was.

[MrKWMonk]

I'm mostly enjoying my second attempt at the OC but I've cheated a bit to get things more the way I like.

 

I've upped the party limit so I have 6 characters and I puppet most of them.  I'm using a house rule of no resting inside a dungeon/enemy locale until all floors are cleared or I retreat outside to somewhere I deem "safe".

 

My main is an Eldritch Knight who buffs herself like a melee mage, stands back a little and does a bit of crowd control and damage before joining the front rank and wailing away with a blade.  She was running with most of her spells stilled but she just bought the EK armour so will see how that goes.

 

Whilst I agree about Qara being the ultimate damage dealer this time around I'm using Sand as he has a bit more utility.

 

Neeshka takes care of traps and locks and scouts ahead of the party, finding the enemy so I can setup for tactical advantage.  She's often in the second rank with a short bow but does stab enemies in the back when she's in the position to do so. I also enjoy how she's always fighting with Kelgar.

 

I don't like monks in D&D so I've never done that with Kelgar.  He stays as a tanking axe/warhammer and board fighter.

 

I consoled Sandra a little bit to better arrange her feats and she's a light/medium armour, two weapon fighter with short swords.  Her stats leave a bit to be desired though.

 

Last spot is usually for Elanee as a healer, summoner, archer and part time buffer/damage dealer.  Even though Zhaeve is a better healer know that I too find her speech pattern annoying. 

 

 

-kaos

[Dann-J]

 

Neeshka takes care of traps and locks and scouts ahead of the party, finding the enemy so I can setup for tactical advantage.  She's often in the second rank with a short bow but does stab enemies in the back when she's in the position to do so.

 

 

I usually give rogue party members a heavy crossbow (and the Rapid Reload feat), and have them follow at a long distance. That keeps them well out of harms way, and ensures they contribute some actual damage during fights even when not sneak attacking.

 

 

 

I don't like monks in D&D so I've never done that with Khelgar.  He stays as a tanking axe/warhammer and board fighter.

 

 

He's actually very useful towards the end of the game as a monk, especially against the higher-level undead. Fast movement gets him into the fray quickly. Purity of Body (level 5) makes him immune to disease. Diamond Soul (level 13) grants him spell resistance. Perfect Self (level 20) makes him immune to fear. All those things are useful when you're facing multitudes of spellcasting mummies and vampires. I usually have him wield the warhammer rather than fight unarmed though.