This is also untrue. My Cousland flat out refused Duncan, and he pulled out the conscription card. You have no choice. You either go willingly or he is going to drag you to Ostagar. The only other potential recruit that was there was probably dead before you even left.
He can do that with every origin if you refuse, the story needs to progress somehow...
It is actually more interesting because Duncan in this situation is not a knight in shiny armour running to help the poor you.
I agree. The human noble is my absolute favorite origin in the game. It's also the only one that actually shows the duplicitous nature of one of the most loathsome characters in the entire game: Arl Howe. It has the most powerful revenge story of the lot, I felt.
Privileged is an overused Tumblr term.
There is NOTHING wrong with playing humans. Its just trendy to hate on them. If it was popular to hate on elves people would do it.
Sorry, when I say privileged, I mean we always play humans from noble families for the most part. The mage human from DAO was different though, not sure the family for him/her.
He can do that with every origin if you refuse, the story needs to progress somehow...
The initial point I was making was that Duncan also saves the human noble's life as well. The conscription part was just a response to the idea that the human noble could just as well have left after leaving Highever, which is false.
I disagree, dragon age should not be about ONE central figure but several in the setting of dragon age since the series is about the stories within said age.
To me it depends on the type of story Bioware wants to tell, DAI can work with multiple races the problem was that it was originally human only
Imo, smaller/personal stories work best a "defined" character like Hawke while bigger stories like DAO and DAI can work with multiple races
Well if we are being technical you always are conscripted to progress the story like others said. However, my original point is that Duncan only saves those as a last resort, but openly conscripts you in the city elf and outcast dwarf origins to stop the authorities from killing you.
I agree. The human noble is my absolute favorite origin in the game. It's also the only one that actually shows the duplicitous nature of one of the most loathsome characters in the entire game: Arl Howe. It has the most powerful revenge story of the lot, I felt.
I prefered the Bhelen plot, forgiving him for the good of house Aeducan stung.
To me it depends on the type of story Bioware wants to tell, DAI can work with multiple races the problem was that it was originally human only
Yup.
I firmly believe the game wouldn't be same if the inclusion of multiple races was planned from the get-go.
Sorry, when I say privileged, I mean we always play humans from noble families for the most part. The mage human from DAO was different though, not sure the family for him/her.
I think there's a difference between becoming a warden saving your life (CE, CD, DE, sometimes Mage) and becoming a warden being the price for saving your life (HN, DN).
And then there's the Mage who was working for Irving, who'd basically be fine if Duncan hadn't conscripted them. Well, until they got caught up in Uldred's mess anyway.
True, they did a good job of giving different scenarios.
The human mage came from a noble family as well.
I RP that my Trev is a bastard so she's not particularly privileged xd
In case I forgot to mention it, I do love dat Velanna avie < 3
The human mage came from a noble family as well.
I RP that my Trev is a bastard so she's not particularly privileged xd
Lol nice. But then my point is pretty much proven. Why do all humans have to be of noble status. I'd more associate with a farmer or merchant who rises to glory from nothing, which isn't the case most of the time. Hell i'd honestly have liked it if we played as Cassandra as the PC in DAI. Then again she is kind of noble, but a better backstory for sure.
I agree. The human noble is my absolute favorite origin in the game. It's also the only one that actually shows the duplicitous nature of one of the most loathsome characters in the entire game: Arl Howe. It has the most powerful revenge story of the lot, I felt.
Yep.
I think there's a difference between becoming a warden saving your life (CE, CD, DE, sometimes Mage) and becoming a warden being the price for saving your life (HN, DN).
Exactly this.
I've also found playing human in DAI to be very satisfying, I actually love that the elven portion of the story feels so alien and that you are left in the dark for the most part about Solas.
I also don't see why being noble is a problem, especially in DAI, where things are not defined and you can play as a black sheep of the family and generally very few characters in the game give a damn.
Lol nice. But then my point is pretty much proven. Why do all humans have to be of noble status. I'd more associate with a farmer or merchant who rises to glory from nothing, which isn't the case most of the time. Hell i'd honestly have liked it if we played as Cassandra as the PC in DAI. Then again she is kind of noble, but a better backstory for sure.
Isn't Hawke a peasant who rises to glory?
(By glory I mean breaking everything he touches)
I would not say that. It sound more like you want the game to sit and point out your qunari for the entire time.
No, what I want is to have a character that actually has a good connection to the story. With the dalish inquisitor it is the temple of mythal mission plus the Solas romance together with the large amounts of revelations that gets made about ancient elves and Trevelyan, no matter their origin, is tied (with mage Trevelyan the most) to the mage/templar war and the crisis that the Chantry is going through. The main character does not have to be personally invested in each conflict of the main plot, but having a good connection to a major one is nice.
The way I see it both qunari and dwarves have it better because they are not constraint nor have bias views like the human and dalish. They have a chance to look at everything in a neutral view unbiased view with out the dogma and bias the human and dalish have. They are the best ones to start a middle ground and be an arbiter.
Actually, that makes them worse, having a character that is an outsider with no real personal stake works the best for me in stories where the main character is mostly a passive observer like Marlow from Heart of Darkness. If you're going to have an even slightly (re)active protagonist, have him actually hold some opinion and be emotionally attached to it.
Yep.
Exactly this.
I've also found playing human in DAI to be very satisfying, I actually love that the elven portion of the story feels so alien and that you are left in the dark for the most part about Solas.
I also don't see why being noble is a problem, especially in DAI, where things are not defined and you can play as a black sheep of the family and generally very few characters in the game give a damn.
The problem is that we want the human to be revamped a bit. General nobility gets boring after a point, must be the reason why I don't care about nobility in tv shows. However, like I said before give us a different background. There are other types of humans out there. It would be interesting if we could play as a human who wouldn't so easily be accepted by the standard culture of Thedas.
Isn't Hawke a peasant who rises to glory?
(By glory I mean breaking everything he touches)
Yes and no. His/her mother came from nobility and was the closest we get to a different type of human.
I do think it's a little odd that we haven't had a human protagonist that doesn't come from a noble family. Though I guess it's partly because the non-humans are hogging the other archetypes.
The problem is that we want the human to be revamped a bit. General nobility gets boring after a point, must be the reason why I don't care about nobility in tv shows.
Actually in RPG in general poor nobody who becomes a hero is as overdone.
I wouldn't mind playing a slave, but you know actual slave, not just some rebelled tart (all the fetch quests suddenly making sense 
)
I do think it's a little odd that we haven't had a human protagonist that doesn't come from a noble family. Though I guess it's partly because the non-humans are hogging the other archetypes.
Hopefully in the next installment, whenever that is.
I, for one, see no reason for the Inquisitor to be a noble. It feels utterly unnecessary.
Lol nice. But then my point is pretty much proven. Why do all humans have to be of noble status. I'd more associate with a farmer or merchant who rises to glory from nothing, which isn't the case most of the time. Hell i'd honestly have liked it if we played as Cassandra as the PC in DAI. Then again she is kind of noble, but a better backstory for sure.
I'll try to explain, as long as no one takes it personally like I'm insulting their characters.I also don't see why being noble is a problem, especially in DAI, where things are not defined and you can play as a black sheep of the family and generally very few characters in the game give a damn.
Who's bashing you? All I see you doing in this thread is dismissing people who have different taste from yours as if they're hipsters. You actually said it was "whining." So, you know. Maybe you ought to take a step back from tumblr (I stay far away from DA tumblrdom myself.)
I've always thought the human origins were overrated. Some people treated Cousland like the default origin. At least Cousland had a tragic origin story, and for mine, I was able to subvert her by making her a thief and express bitterness towards the Wardens. The Inquisitor doesn't have the same range of roleplaying possibilities, and with the Trevelyan background, it's like they picked the blandest, most obvious foundation to give you. I've had 2 human characters now and both of them I ended up hating. Well, hate's a strong word because it implies engagement- I found them impossible to like. So I'm talking about my experience of the game, not yours.
I'm not saying I was bashed but I have had friends who have been bashed for it and I will always STAND up for them all call people out on their bull.
Its perfectly fine if you hate the Cousland Origins and hate humans but the fact remains its trendy and in fashion to hate on everything human.
If it was popular to hate on the other races people would be doing it
Personally I can't stand the Dalish and how the majority of the fandom have had a shrine to them. I prefer the city elf origins.
I was happy Solas called out the Dalish for the errors and I was happy playing a Dalish that was able to question her beliefs thanks to him.
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