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[cronshaw]

Everyone has their own opinions about virtually everything and how whatever affects them, but to me this qualifies as one of the dumbest questions possible in relation to Inquisition.

 

I do not care what statistics suggest about how one race [human] may be the most commonly played by gamers. Human is the the one that I use the least. I will always prefer to play elf, dwarf and now Qunari, should they be available. I do human characters as well, but for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone who chooses to stick with a human pc, really gives much thought to whether that should be the only option??

I love when people dismissively state how everyone is entitled to their own opinion and then go on to tell you why their opinion is superior

[Emu8207]

No the extra races were not worth it, they should have just stuck with Human and made the best for human IMO. What is the difference between Qunari and Dwarf, not much in the end. Elf does matter but when you look at the lackluster job of the male elf who's body model looks horrible, it shows why human should've been the main focus.

[Nefla]

No the extra races were not worth it, they should have just stuck with Human and made the best for human IMO. What is the difference between Qunari and Dwarf, not much in the end. Elf does matter but when you look at the lackluster job of the male elf who's body model looks horrible, it shows why human should've been the main focus.

I almost wish they had done so, then I wouldn't have bought the game.

[Nefla]

I guess I'm one of the few people who actually don't like the underdog pc... I find the idea of a nobody rising to power cliche. I much prefer to reenact the 'royals who actually do something' trope, hence I pretty much always play as humans of the best available social standing, namely warrior or rogue nobles. I did have a number of mage Hawkes and Amells, since you can play the same thing over only so many times, but nobles are my favorite.

 

I also can't deal with the 'huge head on a stick' body model for elves in inquisition either.

Man, I could have played an entire game based on the Dwarf noble origin. I think that's the fanciest and most highest ranking noble we've ever been allowed to play (I mean you were a princess second in line for the throne). You could be so hilariously pompous too "Gorrim, why is this person speaking to me" "Gorrim, run these harlots off," etc... Sadly us dwarf lovers are in the minority and that will never happen

[MiyuEmi]

@Nefla: I admit that I will agree here.  Starting up the game I was incredibly disappointed when I discovered that my character was being forced to be human.

[Fearsome1]

I love when people dismissively state how everyone is entitled to their own opinion and then go on to tell you why their opinion is superior

 

My actual statement was: "Everyone has their own opinions about virtually everything and how whatever affects them, but to me this qualifies as one of the dumbest questions possible in relation to Inquisition.

 

I do not care what statistics suggest about how one race [human] may be the most commonly played by gamers. Human is the the one that I use the least. I will always prefer to play elf, dwarf and now Qunari, should they be available. I do human characters as well, but for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone who chooses to stick with a human pc, really gives much thought to whether that should be the only option??"

 

I fail to see how this is dismissive of other opinions? I DO say that the thread title question is dumb; that's on me for sure. I also fail to see where I'm stating that my own opinion is superior. Only that for me, if a person plays solely as a human pc, why would they "care" overmuch about what everyone else plays as? 

[TheRatPack55]

Man, I could have played an entire game based on the Dwarf noble origin. I think that's the fanciest and most highest ranking noble we've ever been allowed to play (I mean you were a princess second in line for the throne). You could be so hilariously pompous too "Gorrim, why is this person speaking to me" "Gorrim, run these harlots off," etc... Sadly us dwarf lovers are in the minority and that will never happen

 

Ahh, yes, I do love being obnoxious in games... I think Fallout catered to me best in this regard (not that I'm comparing, entirely different games, yanno). But I find in Dragon Age noble origins just work best for me, roleplay-wise, and somehow feel the most immersive... idk, must have been a noble in my past life or sth  _{(actually my grandpa was a baron, heh)}

 

But on topic, I'm all for the inclusion of different races, the more the merrier, but the entire point of having them is making your experience different, and I don't think Inquisition gives us that. If there are differences, they're cosmetic and don't really affect the game in any way, and that makes me feel like the addition of races was, while not unnecessary, simply poorly implemented. It race-gated romances, and that's pretty much the biggest impact on the game world.

[Poledo]

I don't care to play as them, so I decided to ask you, the people, if there's enough variance between the races to have been worth including them, especially considering at one point the inquisitor was human only.

From what I've heard, only female elf seems to be worth it and that's mostly been due to Solasmancing being the most... Impactful.

So, now I open the gates. Was it worth the time and effort? Did it fit or did it feel tacked on? Did they just make your head canon more open since the option was in-game? Educate me!

 

I think so. I really can't get into the dwarf much, and they really didn't support the character with any special lore. I think elves got the most love outside of humans. The dwarves are just a bit misshapen for me, certain armor covers for it but in general I have a hard time playing one aesthetically. The Qunari are a nice touch but again a bit under developed lore wise. For a race that there is so much unexplored lore, it was a missed opportunity.

 

I still liked having them as options though. Options are usually not a bad thing even they aren't as fully fleshed as they could be.

 

The biggest issue - lack of extra voices for the characters. I understand it must cost a fortune, but two voices can only fit so many faces.

[Nefla]

Ahh, yes, I do love being obnoxious in games... I think Fallout catered to me best in this regard (not that I'm comparing, entirely different games, yanno). But I find in Dragon Age noble origins just work best for me, roleplay-wise, and somehow feel the most immersive... idk, must have been a noble in my past life or sth  _{(actually my grandpa was a baron, heh)}

 

But on topic, I'm all for the inclusion of different races, the more the merrier, but the entire point of having them is making your experience different, and I don't think Inquisition gives us that. If there are differences, they're cosmetic and don't really affect the game in any way, and that makes me feel like the addition of races was, while not unnecessary, simply poorly implemented. It race-gated romances, and that's pretty much the biggest impact on the game world.

For me, poorly implemented is better than not implemented at all I wish the humans had been given more chances to be pompous and fancy and such, the elves more chances to be discriminated against but also to have an in with other elves, the Qunari a lot more feared and suspected, I don't know what I would do with the dwarves since they are accepted by all races but not seen as the oppressors, they're not from Orzammar, maybe having more underworld connections and criminal tricks (from the Carta). I think the classes were poorly implemented storywise as well and sadly there didn't seem to be any real friendship arcs with the companions, you had to do their romances to learn more about who they are. Then you have the shallow side quests, the game not showing the consequences of your choices, etc...I think the game was kind of a mess. You know, I think I would have liked the game a lot better if Cassandra was the "Herald of Andraste" and the player was one of her team/supporters. It would have been awesome if they kind of paralleled the story of Andraste.

[ForgottenWarrior]

Yep, even though there is a plenty of things that could've been done better. Step in the right direction.

[Melca36]

Everyone has their own opinions about virtually everything and how whatever affects them, but to me this qualifies as one of the dumbest questions possible in relation to Inquisition.

 

I do not care what statistics suggest about how one race [human] may be the most commonly played by gamers. Human is the the one that I use the least. I will always prefer to play elf, dwarf and now Qunari, should they be available. I do human characters as well, but for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone who chooses to stick with a human pc, really gives much thought to whether that should be the only option??

 

 

BECAUSE SOME OF US HAVE THE IMAGINATION TO PLAY HUMANS.  Please get over it. You like what you like and people like what they like. 

[Cespar]

BECAUSE SOME OF US HAVE THE IMAGINATION TO PLAY HUMANS. Please get over it. You like what you like and people like what they like.

Miss the whole point of what fearsome1 said.

[Unpleasant Implications]

My actual statement was: "Everyone has their own opinions about virtually everything and how whatever affects them, but to me this qualifies as one of the dumbest questions possible in relation to Inquisition.
 
I do not care what statistics suggest about how one race [human] may be the most commonly played by gamers. Human is the the one that I use the least. I will always prefer to play elf, dwarf and now Qunari, should they be available. I do human characters as well, but for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone who chooses to stick with a human pc, really gives much thought to whether that should be the only option??"
 
I fail to see how this is dismissive of other opinions? I DO say that the thread title question is dumb; that's on me for sure. I also fail to see where I'm stating that my own opinion is superior. Only that for me, if a person plays solely as a human pc, why would they "care" overmuch about what everyone else plays as? 

There's definitely a degree of antagonism, which some people could read as elitism.

And I don't care what they play as, I ask if they were satisfied playing as something else.

[Addai]

Man, I could have played an entire game based on the Dwarf noble origin. I think that's the fanciest and most highest ranking noble we've ever been allowed to play (I mean you were a princess second in line for the throne). You could be so hilariously pompous too "Gorrim, why is this person speaking to me" "Gorrim, run these harlots off," etc... Sadly us dwarf lovers are in the minority and that will never happen

True, dwarf noble is an entirely different ballgame. And don't give up hope. I didn't think they'd do an elfy game, either, but this one did a pretty good job.

[cronshaw]

My actual statement was: "Everyone has their own opinions about virtually everything and how whatever affects them, but to me this qualifies as one of the dumbest questions possible in relation to Inquisition.

 

I do not care what statistics suggest about how one race [human] may be the most commonly played by gamers. Human is the the one that I use the least. I will always prefer to play elf, dwarf and now Qunari, should they be available. I do human characters as well, but for the life of me I can't fathom why anyone who chooses to stick with a human pc, really gives much thought to whether that should be the only option??"

 

I fail to see how this is dismissive of other opinions? I DO say that the thread title question is dumb; that's on me for sure. I also fail to see where I'm stating that my own opinion is superior. Only that for me, if a person plays solely as a human pc, why would they "care" overmuch about what everyone else plays as? 

It's dismissive because instead of wondering why someone may have a different opinion than you, you bring out the tired old plabum "everyone is entitled to their opinion" Then you call stupid the very notion that anyone would even want to even discuss a matter which is closed in your mind. 

Insinuating anyone not agreeing with you and actually discussing whether or not there should be multiple races is an idiot.

[cheydancer]

Tbh, I usually only play elves.  I've done a handful of pt in the other games where I played human/dwarf, mainly for the achievements.  Being able to play elves and Qunari is a win for me and a key selling point for this game.

[Zem_]

I fail to see how this is dismissive of other opinions? I DO say that the thread title question is dumb; that's on me for sure. I also fail to see where I'm stating that my own opinion is superior. Only that for me, if a person plays solely as a human pc, why would they "care" overmuch about what everyone else plays as? 

 

No one is out to prevent you from having race choices out of spite.  The point is that the more choices there are, the less interesting those choices can be.  Game development is a zero-sum proposition just due to the reality of limited time and resources.  If you want four races, two genders, and three classes, the story has to accommodate all of that.  Sometimes they just punt.  That kind of seems to have happened with the Winter Palace mission in Inquisition where it just doesn't seem to phase anyone *enough* when your Inquisitor isn't human despite all the lore indicating that it should be a really big deal particularly in an environment where social status is everything.

 

Imagine instead of all these choices we only got two for Inquisitor: Human Hawke or new Dalish Elf.  Four VOs.  Two men and two women.  Just like now.  Except they are the original VOs for Hawke and two more added specifically tailored to the dalish elf.  In other words, proper Welsh or Irish accented VO to match the theme they've gone with since DA2.  I'm sure all the dwarf and Qunari fans will chime in that they would hate to not have been able to play those but the point is that limiting the choices isn't a "dumb" thing.  It's done for a very specific reason.  How much you value that reason is a matter of opinion.  But it's totally a rational thing and not motivated out of hating what someone else plays.

[Nefla]

If I were going to cut something character-wise, it would be the addition of two extra voices for the inquisitor which meant they had to record every line of the Inquisitor's in the entire game an extra two times. That had to be pretty resource intensive and doesn't add as much to the game imo as race choice.

[TheRatPack55]

If I were going to cut something character-wise, it would be the addition of two extra voices for the inquisitor which meant they had to record every line of the Inquisitor's in the entire game an extra two times. That had to be pretty resource intensive and doesn't add as much to the game imo as race choice.

 

This is reasonable. I doubt many people would whine about the lack of an american/british accent for their iq. Mind you, they still would whine about the voice actor/actress, but at least they'd have only one to complain about.

 

Then maybe they could even give the single va some context to help with pronouncing the lines.

[Unpleasant Implications]

If I were going to cut something character-wise, it would be the addition of two extra voices for the inquisitor which meant they had to record every line of the Inquisitor's in the entire game an extra two times. That had to be pretty resource intensive and doesn't add as much to the game imo as race choice.

Don't the American voices get more flak than their English counterparts, as well?

[Shelidon]

This is reasonable. I doubt many people would whine about the lack of an american/british accent for their iq. Mind you, they still would whine about the voice actor/actress, but at least they'd have only one to complain about.
 
Then maybe they could even give the single va some context to help with pronouncing the lines.

Well, I have to say that I am unable to roleplay a different character with the same voice. I might play the same character with different choices, such as siding with templars or mages, but I couldn't shape a different personality. Therefore, with just one voice actor, I would probably play the game only two times, female and male inquisitor. Now, on the other hand, I am enjoying my mistress Avaar after I finished my playthrough with lady Trev.

[Nefla]

Don't the American voices get more flak than their English counterparts, as well?

I think people prefer the English ones (though I thought all of them did a good job). The English voice makes more sense since it can also fit the Qunari who was raised around humans and should have the same accent as well as the Dwarf who is a surfacer and could potentially have that human accent (Bodhan and Sandal do). What's done is done though.

[TheRatPack55]

Well, I have to say that I am unable to roleplay a different character with the same voice. I might play the same character with different choices, such as siding with templars or mages, but I couldn't shape a different personality. Therefore, with just one voice actor, I would probably play the game only two times, female and male inquisitor. Now, on the other hand, I am enjoying my mistress Avaar after I finished my playthrough with lady Trev.

 

Hmm, idk, people were generally able to roleplay different Shepards with the same voice.

Granted, those were still Shepard, while inquisitors are Trevelyan, Adaar, etc... Still, I'd take that over the lack of racial-dependent options in the game itself, but that's my personal preference.

[leaguer of one]

Hmm, idk, people were generally able to roleplay different Shepards with the same voice.

Granted, those were still Shepard, while inquisitors are Trevelyan, Adaar, etc... Still, I'd take that over the lack of racial-dependent options in the game itself, but that's my personal preference.

Seriously. Half of the game went out of the way to point out I was playing a qunari. People belevie that because you are a cretin race everything in the game has to hit you over the head with it to remind you of that and not even origin did anything close to that being how you race is ignored for most of the game. Remember, you are the inquisitor, one of the most powerful people in thedus with the power to execute anyone. No one is going to be dumb enough to treat you badly in your face unless they don't know who you are and there few time like that.

[TanithAeyrs]

YES, the additional races were definitely worth it.  Now, I was okay with Shep being human because that was her/his story, but for me a true RPG does not have a fixed protagonist and being able to choose different races (not just different personalities) is part of that.  I have played 2 different Lavellans so far (practical Lavellan (dual dagger rogue assassin, Solas romance) and compassionate Lavellan (rift mage, Cullen romance)), I'm now playing my cynical dwarf archer(will probably go alchemist, but may go tempest  -she's crazy enough for it, IB romance).  I have a Qunari sword and board planned for a Josie romance, an radical rebellious Trevelyan KE for Cass, a devout Andrastian Trevelyan two-hander for Dorian, and a Qunari mage for Blackwall planned.  I love being able to play as different races as it helps me develop varied character backstories and gives me a reason to do more playthroughs.

 

Different races and backgrounds are the reason I have so many more playthroughs of BG, BG2, NWN, and DAO than I have playthroughs of KOTOR, ME, JE, and DA2.   I put more time into Bethesda games than I do Witcher games for the same reason.