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[DanteYoda]

Yes its always worth it, i would not have purchased the game with out them..

 

When i found out DA 2 had no other races but humans i never bought it originally, a few years later i saw it at bargain price $8 and purchased it, honestly after playing it finally just when DA:I was released i feel i never really missed much..

 

Even with the races feeling tacked on to DA:I it was still make or break for me when purchasing a game.. Its also why i have such difficulties enjoying the Witcher series as well..

 

For those of you that this was a make or break decision, may I ask why that was? Was it because DA2 did it that way? Was it because despite everything else the game has to offer, aesthetics and minor dialogue changes mean that much to you?

I know the phrasing is antagonistic, but I can't think of any other way to put, so I apologize if I offend.

Because playing a human being is boring for me, i'm Already one i don't need to play one in a fantasy world, i personally play tiny races in every game that has them, i just like them as races, Hobbits, Dwarves, Halflings, Kender, Gnomes, Fairies etc, are far more fun than another generic human.

 

So it's a headcanon thing?

Not just headcanon no, the other races traditions and lifestyles appeal to me far more than a standard humans does, Orzammar in DA:O was amazing the whole city was awesome for me, the way they lived and did things felt far more interesting than boring kirkwall (to me)..

 

Sadly the Elves in DA:O have lost their history so i find them very generic too..

 

Coming from Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons etc the Dragon Age races are very poor examples of Fantasy races, i feel Bioware has a hate for them (and with Magic) the franchise has really let down the team so to speak with storytelling anything other than humans..

 

Such a waste...its a big (HUGE) reason i'm losing interest in Bioware titles personally... they need unbias writers with imagination..

 

That all sounds well and good, however the sense that I'm gleaning when people talk about the Inquisitor is that if they are human, they mostly seem ignorant of their culture and ask inane questions they should already know. They've been described as humans in (insert race here)'s bodies.

So I ask if it's really like that for those of you who choose dwarf and qunari, since I hear elves get really impactful in the last half, especially we a Solas romance.

That is more a Dragon Age issue over a Fantasy Race issue.

 

Other games did races far far better imo as i've stated above, Bioware needed to Delve into the Other races histories and traditions after DA:O not remove them entirely... that was just poor design decisions not the races fault in my opinion.

 

Dwarves feel pretty meaningless in DA:I personally, not tried Qunari yet but as i said, its not a Dwarven fault its a Developer fault.

 

One more thing my Dwarf is female too...why? because of the poor male romance options in the game. I'd have made a male if they had better Romance options.

[TEWR]

 

 

 they need unbias writers with imagination..

 

While I agree Bioware lacks vision, it's going to be impossible to find an unbiased writer.

 

What you really need to ask for is to find a writer who can look past their own biases at the greater picture.

 

(my self-absorbed egotistical nature has me say to myself "I like to think that's me" )

[fizzypop]

Yes because I really hate to play humans. I like elves and I want to play one damnit. There was at least some dialogue to make it worth playing a different race.

[BabyPuncher]

Because playing a human being is boring for me, i'm Already one i don't need to play one in a fantasy world, i personally play tiny races in every game that has them, i just like them as races, Hobbits, Dwarves, Halflings, Kender, Gnomes, Fairies etc, are far more fun than another generic human.terest in Bioware titles personally... they need unbias writers with imagination.

 

That's a very shallow understanding of what makes characters compelling in the first place.

 

Take a human, he's generic. Make him short and give him a beard, he becomes interesting?

 

No.

[BabyPuncher]

You'll notice protagonists have steadily become more human as graphics have progressed. Sonic, Spyro, Crash were icons of the past but nowadays pretty much all modern gaming icons are human.

[Aaleel]

People keep saying that the game is tailored to humans and the other races are just there.  I think an elf inquisitor gets just as much out of the story, and more than a non believing human honestly.  

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Personally, I like the variety of options.

 

The question is do the people who feel there should have only been one race insist on humans?

or would they be equally happy if the game had only allowed elves?

Or only allowed Qunari?

or Dwarves?

I'm one of the people who would prefer a mono-race game since the choice is 97% aesthetic, and I wouldn't buy an elf only game because I can't stand DA's interpretation of elves, but I would buy a dwarf or qunari game.

[Heimdall]

An elf being the herald of andraste and people following him/her is just ridiculous (with the established lore) same with a dwarf or a freaking Qunari

at least the warden did stuff on his own (and with the grey wardens race doesn't matter as I recall)

Its extraordinary, certainly, but so are the circumstances surrounding the Inquisitor's acquisition of that title.  As Cassandra and the advisers often state, their devotion has a lot less to do with the PC as a person so much as a need to follow someone in these chaotic times when the usual authorities have failed.  When that person just happens appear just when needed (Complete with an apparently miraculous survival of the catastrophe) and be the only one capable of stopping the world from being swallowed by a hole in the sky, the hand of providence seems evident to those of a religious mind.  Granted, even I find the Qunari a little hard to credit, but the others I find entirely believable.

[Aaleel]

how so?

only the last part of the game affects elf Inquisitors

whereas the rest of the game is basically for humans (Herald of andraste, chantry, mage templar war, orlais etc.)

 

An elf being the herald of andraste and people following him/her is just ridiculous (with the established lore) same with a dwarf or a freaking Qunari

at least the warden did stuff on his own (and with the grey wardens race doesn't matter as I recall)

 

If you're a non believing human the game plays no differently than any other race and the end is most certainly engaging for people playing elves.

 

Now say a disaster occurred and one person walked out in real life while everyone else perished.  People would see it as a miracle and a sign from whatever supreme being they believe in because there would be no other way to explain it.  Do you think it would matter that the person was not of their faith?  Then imagine if the person performed a second or third miracle and seemed like the only person who could stop the world from ending.  A symbol can be anything if people need it to grasp onto.  It's either believe of lose your faith.

[Nefla]

That's a very shallow understanding of what makes characters compelling in the first place.

 

Take a human, he's generic. Make him short and give him a beard, he becomes interesting?

 

No.

I for one find dwarven culture fascinating If BioWare put as much effort into making their human cultures unique and interesting as the non-human ones then I would probably have more desire to play as one. The human PC is always the privileged (but not in a fun, over-the-top way like the Dwarven noble or an interesting perspective such as being royalty and having to rule or being reviled as a Tevinter magister and slave owner) the accepted, the default, the numerous, the most like our modern day society by far, etc...no thanks.

[Melca36]

That's a very shallow understanding of what makes characters compelling in the first place.

 

Take a human, he's generic. Make him short and give him a beard, he becomes interesting?

 

No.

 

Humans are just as fun as the other races.   People have limited imaginations and its currently popular in the Dragon Age Fandom to hate on them.

 

Its If it was in style to hate on the other races people would be hating on them too. 

[Melca36]

but many games had a non even humanoid protagonist, yet sell well. that means non-human characters can be just as much complelling as humans. So sayng a dwarf-only protagonist is doomed to fail is not true.

Only 5% played Dwarves in Origins.

 

And they're likely tracking what people are playing for Inquisition.  If they see only a small percentage play dwarves again...I would not expect them to see them in the next game. They will not waste resources for something that is barely used.

[o Ventus]

Only 5% played humans in Origins.

 

Source?

 

Humans are the most-played race in almost every RPG that allows for racial selection.

[Aaleel]

Source?

 

Humans are the most-played race in almost every RPG that allows for racial selection.

 

I think that was supposed the be dwarf not human.  Judging by the rest of what was said.

[Monica21]

how so?

only the last part of the game affects elf Inquisitors

whereas the rest of the game is basically for humans (Herald of andraste, chantry, mage templar war, orlais etc.)

 

An elf being the herald of andraste and people following him/her is just ridiculous (with the established lore) same with a dwarf or a freaking Qunari

at least the warden did stuff on his own (and with the grey wardens race doesn't matter as I recall)

 

Unpopular opinion, but I didn't feel any less effected by the reveals in the last part of the game just because my first playthrough was as a human. My human is a noble which means she has some education on her side, in addition to the Inquisition Knowledge perks so I don't have to head canon her knowledge of elven lore and history. Asking "Who's Mythal?" felt pretty dumb as a human, too.

 

From a strictly RP perspective I can see it affecting an elf much more than a human, but not from a player perspective. One of the reasons I stopped my elf playthrough was because of exactly what you mentioned. I honestly don't see a bunch of humans giving a Dalish elf that much power. The Herald? Sure, because of the Anchor, but not the Inquisitor.

[o Ventus]

Unpopular opinion, but I didn't feel any less effected by the reveals in the last part of the game just because my first playthrough was as a human. My human is a noble which means she has some education on her side, in addition to the Inquisition Knowledge perks so I don't have to head canon her knowledge of elven lore and history. Asking "Who's Mythal?" felt pretty dumb as a human, too.

 

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So don't choose to say those lines?

[Riot Inducer]

I for one find dwarven culture fascinating If BioWare put as much effort into making their human cultures unique and interesting as the non-human ones then I would probably have more desire to play as one. The human PC is always the privileged (but not in a fun, over-the-top way like the Dwarven noble or an interesting perspective such as being royalty and having to rule or being reviled as a Tevinter magister and slave owner) the accepted, the default, the numerous, the most like our modern day society by far, etc...no thanks.

I agree, I think DAs take on dwarves is one of my favorite parts of the lore. In most fantasy worlds I don't give dwarves a second look for the reasons you quoted. They're just short humans who happen to prefer building their castles underground, apart from that they might as well be human for all intents and purposes. In DA they've got a brutal caste based society steeped in tradition and it's very distinct from the human kingdoms.

[Monica21]

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So don't choose to say those lines?

 

Well when you put it like that...

[Raoni Luna]

@Title
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Hell no.

[Melca36]

Source?

 

Humans are the most-played race in almost every RPG that allows for racial selection.

 

My mistake I edited my post. I meant dwarves. Only 5% played dwarves. Humans and elves were played the most. I suspect its like that for Inquisition too

[Addai]

From a strictly RP perspective I can see it affecting an elf much more than a human, but not from a player perspective. One of the reasons I stopped my elf playthrough was because of exactly what you mentioned. I honestly don't see a bunch of humans giving a Dalish elf that much power. The Herald? Sure, because of the Anchor, but not the Inquisitor.

I'm confused- you're the Inquisitor because you have the mark, too. Unless you mean after Corypheus is defeated, but personally if we're given a choice then I would disband the Inquisition after the game events. I don't see Orlesians following a Marcher noble any more than anyone else, for long.

[uzivatel]

Ended up playing human anyway. Dwarves in particular feel like waste of resources.

Maybe they should consider something like fixed gender for each species in some future game. Based on the numbers they receive from gamers, they could choose the most popular combinations and concentrate their efforts on those.

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

Maybe they should consider something like fixed gender for each species in some future game. Based on the numbers they receive from gamers, they could choose the most popular combinations and concentrate their efforts on those.

 

Since that would mean I'd never, ever get to play a female dwarf again, I don't think this is a good idea. (I mean, only 5% of players ever played dwarves in DAO. Given that 80% of PCs were male, I'd be surprised if female dwarves topped 1%, and I doubt they've gone much higher in DAI. They're still completely worth it to me, though.)

 

Male humans would be a much more popular combination than anything else, anyway. I'm not sure if they'd get useful data out of the gender balance among elf or qunari players. (Especially when you factor in female elves having two extra romances.)