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[leaguer of one]

This is Exactly  what annoying me!

I think people need to learn the difference between culture and race before they say this.

[leaguer of one]

... I'm sorry, but I really couldn't tell from those pictures. I especially can't tell with qunari unless I see their body.
 
 

 You can't see the horns?

[BronzTrooper]

... I'm sorry, but I really couldn't tell from those pictures. I especially can't tell with qunari unless I see their body.

 

Alright, I suppose I can understand that.

 

... Okay then. Another one for aesthetics, most likely headcanon reasons. Thank you for elucidating.

 

Well, for me, it's mostly because playing as a human is boring.  90% of games out there make you play as a human protagonist, so when I get to option to play as something else, I jump on it.

 

Everyone has their own reasoning, though.  Trying to narrow it down to just 2 isn't a very good idea.

[Aren]

Not much for the theme of unlikely heros are, you?

 

For me the have the best place in the plot because you have a neutral view of everything. Unlike the humans or elves they don't have all the bias of the history and people around them and can make clearer choices. No history dogma nor history of hate to fuel there choices or views.

This game appears to have been built especially for Humans and elves.

There are interesting things and content that fits better for them..

[BronzTrooper]

 You can't see the horns?

 

I think they meant genders.

[leaguer of one]

I walk into their party and decide the fate of an entire nation in a single night.

Sorry, don't feel very disadvantaged.

The problem with nonhuman inquisitor as underdog is that the inquisitor has so much freaking power/influence that those insults hardly carry much weight.

Correction. You walked in to their party filled with people who hated you for your race hoping you could decide the fate of their entire nation in a single night.

That means you were the underdog. The result just means you succeed to put yourself on top.

[Unpleasant Implications]

You can't see the horns?

They're different for the genders? I hadn't noticed.

[leaguer of one]

 

This game appears to have been built especially for Humans and elves.

There are interesting things and content that fits better for them..

 

More the case the game was made to effect and develop there lore. That does not mean it's more interesting to just play as them.

[Unpleasant Implications]

More the case the game was made to effect and develop there lore. That does not mean it's more interesting to just play as them.

It doesn't?

[leaguer of one]

It doesn't?

That's like saying in DAO the only race worth playing is the human noble because the main plot is in like with the past the most.

[jlb524]

Correction. You walked in to their party filled with people who hated you for your race hoping you could decide the fate of their entire nation in a single night.
That means you were the underdog. The result just means you succeed to put yourself on top.

I wish I felt all this hate you keep talking about. The majority of party goers were civil.

I think to make it feel like a true underdog story, that mission would have to be completely rewritten with the non-human race in mind instead of tacking on a negative comment about your race.

[leaguer of one]

It doesn't?

That's like saying in DAO the only race worth playing is the human noble because the main plot is in like with the past the most.

[BronzTrooper]

They're different for the genders? I hadn't noticed.

 

They aren't, but that's not what leaguer meant.  They assumed you couldn't tell the difference between the races.

 

It doesn't?

 

Depends on what you consider interesting.  From a lore perspective, elves are the most interesting (imo).  From a plot perspective, humans and elves are both more interesting than dwarves and qunari.  From an interaction perspective (w/ NPCs, companions, etc.), dwarves and qunari are more interesting.

 

There's interesting lore-drops for all races, but the elves get the most.  Humans fit better into the plot early-game than the other races while the elves take the spotlight end-game.  Qunari and dwarves have more interesting interactions with the other characters than elves and humans.

[Unpleasant Implications]

That's like saying in DAO the only race worth playing is the human noble because the main plot is in like with the past the most.[/size]

The origins could come back up in more interesting ways than your race does in Inquisition, though.

Human Nobles have a personal vendetta with Arl Howe, who works with Loghain. You can even become king or queen of Ferelden.

Human Mage makes Broken Circle a much more personal quest and your relationship with Wynne more investing.

Dwarf Noble origin makes everything Orzammar damn near Shakespearean in its tragedy.

And that's off the top of my head.

Do the other races of Inquisition affect anything on the same level as the origins behind head canon?

[leaguer of one]

I wish I felt all this hate you keep talking about. The majority of party goers were civil.

I think to make it feel like a true underdog story, that mission would have to be completely rewritten with the non-human race in mind instead of tacking on a negative comment about your race.

They were Civil because they knew you were the inquisitor.  My point is that the unknown factor of success and how add to the underdog feel. Dao did the same thing. You were never much put down because you were an elf outside the landsmeet. And at that time you were still a no body. We're not going to have that level of it because we have an army and authority at our back. At the most it's going to come from the shadows at that point. Even then you still see and feel the bitterness of some people as thing change. The fact remain, the story does start you with an organization that hardly has anything who is look down by everyone and called Heretic. Every though the inquistion would fail. How does that not make you feel like the underdog.

[Aren]

I think people need to learn the difference between culture and race before they say this.

If my Inquisitor is a Dalish elf, hell i want him to be a Dalish who believe in his culture, but the response of the Inquisitor most of the time seems to be built for a Human. Even when you pick up others races options they all seems to have little reference to their culture, what's the point to be a dwarf if i'm forced to play a character who is basically an Andrastian in his culture?( you can deny all the time your title, you will always be the Herald)

What is the point in playing races if i must disconnect the link that they have with their native culture.

The Dalish and Human Inquisitors have more content that make unique the game experience.

And the Talvashot at last for me is not satisfying, I would have preferred a true Qunari as the Inquisitor since, apparently the Zealots of the Inquisition are completely tolerant for each other races.

[BronzTrooper]

The origins could come back up in more interesting ways than your race does in Inquisition, though.

Human Nobles have a personal vendetta with Arl Howe, who works with Loghain. You can even become king or queen of Ferelden.

Human Mage makes Broken Circle a much more personal quest and your relationship with Wynne more investing.

Dwarf Noble origin makes everything Orzammar damn near Shakespearean in its tragedy.

And that's off the top of my head.

Do the other races of Inquisition affect anything on the same level as the origins behind head canon.

 

Romancing Solas makes Solas' post-ending reveal more surprising (in your first playthrough, at least).  Dalish Inquisitors also have additional dialogue with several elven NPCs and better fit in with the Temple of Mythal.

 

Not as many things as DA:O, mind you, but still better than nothing.  Not to mention all the merc and Qun talk with IB as a Qunari Inquisitor.  Cadash Inquisitor's Carta ties also come up once or twice, iirc.

[jlb524]

They were Civil because they knew you were the inquisitor.

Yes...this goes back to one of my first points. You being the Inquisitor (and the power/influence that comes with it) will negate a lot of the disadvantages of being another race.

As far as not knowing if you'd be successful at the ball, the same applies to a human Inquisitor. One could argue everyone is an underdog vs. "The Game".

[In Exile]

Romancing Solas makes Solas' post-ending reveal more surprising (in your first playthrough, at least). Dalish Inquisitors also have additional dialogue with several elven NPCs and better fit in with the Temple of Mythal.

Not as many things as DA:O, mind you, but still better than nothing. Not to mention all the merc and Qun talk with IB as a Qunari Inquisitor. Cadash Inquisitor's Carta ties also come up once or twice, iirc.

Well, there's less than DAO if you count the fully realised origin. There is about the same or more if you count only post-Ostagar.

[leaguer of one]

 

If my Inquisitor is a Dalish elf, hell i want him to be a Dalish who believe in his culture, but the response of the Inquisitor most of the time seems to be built for a Human. Even when you pick up others races options they all seems to have little reference to their culture, what's the point to be a dwarf if i'm forced to play a character who is basically an Andrastian in his culture? what is the point in playing races if i must disconnect the link that they have with their native culture.

The Dalish and Human Inquisitors have more content that make unique the game experience.

And the Talvashot at last for me is not satisfying, I would have preferred a true Qunari as the Inquisitor since, apparently the Zealots of the Inquisition are completely tolerant for each other races.

 

1. Dwarf's are not force to play Andrastian.

2. None of the races are and can believe in different things.

3.The normal responses the pc have do not lean one way or another on beleif or backgoung unless the pc is directly asked or question about it. The only case when that does not happen is one glitch with the dalish pc

[BronzTrooper]

Well, there's less than DAO if you count the fully realised origin. There is about the same or more if you count only post-Ostagar.

 

Good point, but I'm not exactly sure if people are counting the background-specific operations or not.

[In Exile]

Good point, but I'm not exactly sure if people are counting the background-specific operations or not.

I wasn't thinking if the operations. I was thinking of the reference in dialogue. For example in the Cassandra romance your race is repeatedly referenced in setting appropriate ways. There's the usual handwave of others not being racist because you're special (GW or the Inquisitor) but that's not different between the titles.

[leaguer of one]

Yes...this goes back to one of my first points. You being the Inquisitor (and the power/influence that comes with it) will negate a lot of the disadvantages of being another race.

As far as not knowing if you'd be successful at the ball, the same applies to a human Inquisitor. One could argue everyone is an underdog vs. "The Game".

And that's counter by the power you have. This only come to being an issue if you were a nobody there, which you aren't. And in this case your still 100% the underdog being you never been part of the game at this point and everyone is still trying to see who you are and what you will do to try to manipulate you. Hell, the 4 main leaders of this party is trying to do that to you through out the entire party.

Also, the human noble is never called anything bad for who they are.

[jlb524]

And that's counter by the power you have. This only come to being an issue if you were a nobody there, which you aren't. And in this case your still 100% the underdog being you never been part of the game at this point and everyone is still trying to see who you are and what you will do to try to manipulate you. Hell, the 4 main leaders of this party is trying to do that to you through out the entire party.

So...all Inquisitor's are underdogs at the party?

[leaguer of one]

So...all Inquisitor's are underdogs at the party?

Yes...But the Qunari and Dalish are still more of the underdogs at the party.