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[Farangbaa]

I admit, I have no idea where I implied that. I don't know what people do to buy cars either. I'd assume test drive is in order? Word of mouth opinions? Research? Ok then, let's, for the sake of the argument, say games and cars are not the same.
There is no such thing as reliable info on game before release, no playable demo and most of the materials you watched may or may not be true.
Promotional materials such as pre-alpha footage are one of the very limited ways to lure customers. You cannot give the specifics, fearing of the competition, but you can show something really cool that you know is complex and is not even remotely close to being finished, I think that is not very fair.
 
Asumptions won't let you win the internet.

How is this any differet from seeing a movie in a theatre?

That's a medium you can compare to video games. Cars are so totally different.

Or a book for that matter. Those are comparable mediums.

[Lebanese Dude]

 

There is no such thing as reliable info on game before release

 

 

#thread

[Skuld]

How is this any differet from seeing a movie in a theatre?

That's a medium you can compare to video games. Cars are so totally different.

Or a book for that matter. Those are comparable mediums.

I disagree. Ok, I'm not yet sure if I do. Comparable how? Because the purpose is entertainment? So is chess'.

[Farangbaa]

I disagree. Ok, I'm not yet sure if I do. Comparable how? Because the purpose is entertainment? So is chess'.

You know about as much about the contents of a movie or book, as you do with video game.

For movies you get a trailer, for books an excerpt on the back. Maybe a review here and there. It's identical.

But most of all, these are creative works. A chess game is just that, a chess game. All of them have the same pieces. Maybe the pieces are shaped differently, but ultimately the game is the same.

[Lebanese Dude]

but ultimately the game is the same.

 

Lies. There's 3-D chess.

 

 

 

[TevinterSupremacist]

A car is a physical product. A video game is a piece of software.

A piece of software is a physical product.

[Lebanese Dude]

A piece of software is a physical product.

 

No that's hardware

[Farangbaa]

A piece of software is a physical product.

In these days of digitalm downloads?

Nu-uh.

[Sanunes]

 

So if i start working on a car for someone invite them over halfway through and they love it then tell them some or all things are subject to change

Would you accept this?

And do you think more people would accept this than not?

 

 

I just asked this question to some friends of mine that are car buffs and they answered with a laugh and said NO

 

 

Ask your friends if they went to the Detroit Auto Show and saw a concept vehicle would they expect that in a few years time that is what they would be buying so they wouldn't bother looking around for more information before buying the vehicle and just hand over money for what a concept car years in the past?

 

If someone was working on a car and I bought it based on the half done project months/years before completion I deserve to get what I purchase if I didn't bother to do any further research and that is what this thread is about. People are upset that a choice in Crestwood isn't exactly as it was shown months before development finished.

[AlanC9]

Promotional materials such as pre-alpha footage are one of the very limited ways to lure customers. You cannot give the specifics, fearing of the competition, but you can show something really cool that you know is complex and is not even remotely close to being finished, I think that is not very fair.
 

If this is a problem, what's the solution? Never showing pre-alphas to anyone because some of us can't respond rationally to them? There's precedent for that; Bio seems to be getting away from day 1 DLC for similar reasons.

[Bizantura]

Bioware may have "encouraged" you to hype up yourself.  Thats whats advertisement is for.  The sad part is that it works and as individuals we are solely the blame for that.

[sim-ran]

OP is the person the "May Contain Nuts" label on a jar of nuts was made for.

Stop bother arguing, he doesn't understand how daft he's being.

[Hazegurl]

Not sure if this was brought up in here but I thought I'd share it

 

Dragon Age Inquisition interview - E3 2014

*snip*

 

Dragon Age Creative Director Mike Laidlaw being interviewed

 

"What Alpha means is 100% of the content is there." FALSE

"We don't declare a Beta until the game is ready to ship." FALSE

 

Oh Bioware...

 

[-Delanor-]

If you're so sensitive to games meeting your lofty "standards" or "expectations" then there are some simple steps you can take to avoid being "burned":

• Stop pre-ordering!  A pre-order is a purchase of the idealized version of the game that will meet all of your expectations.  There is no way the final product can meet the expectations that excited gamers bestow upon it.
• Don't buy day one!  Wait until there is some feedback/reviews and make an educated purchasing decision.  Sometimes games release buggier than anticipated and delaying your purchase until a patch will result in a more satisfying experience.
• Don't buy the game!  You don't have to play ALL THE GAMES.  If you purchase fewer games you will not have a huge backlog in addition to saying "no" to bad or disappointing games.
• Lighten up!  It's okay to enjoy flawed games!  Games are not either perfect 10s or unplayable garbage.  Buying a game for what it is rather than the culmination of years of hype is always better.

If you think the publisher and/or developer is deceiving people with untenable pre-release footage, a missed sale is a much stronger message than the volume of your whining on the forums.  So in the future, cancel your pre-order and WAIT.

 

The More You Know♒☆

[Lebanese Dude]

If you're so sensitive to games meeting your lofty "standards" or "expectations" then there are some simple steps you can take to avoid being "burned":

• Stop pre-ordering!  A pre-order is a purchase of the idealized version of the game that will meet all of your expectations.  There is no way the final product can meet the expectations that excited gamers bestow upon it.
• Don't buy day one!  Wait until there is some feedback/reviews and make an educated purchasing decision.  Sometimes games release buggier than anticipated and delaying your purchase until a patch will result in a more satisfying experience.
• Don't buy the game!  You don't have to play ALL THE GAMES.  If you purchase fewer games you will not have a huge backlog in addition to saying "no" to bad or disappointing games.
• Lighten up!  It's okay to enjoy flawed games!  Games are not either perfect 10s or unplayable garbage.  Buying a game for what it is rather than the culmination of years of hype is always better.

If you think the publisher and/or developer is deceiving people with untenable pre-release footage, a missed sale is a much stronger message than the volume of your whining on the forums.  So in the future, cancel your pre-order and WAIT.

 

The More You Know♒☆

Wisdom in a nutshell.

[TXAstarte]

Journalists. Why do you demonstrate something to journalists?

So they'll talk about what you are working on...

 

You can't control what they say, and they may get any number of things wrong.

 

Pre-Alpha is early early early preview.  It is to hopefully make fol

[parico]

I forgot about those old vids.  That did sound like fun having sieges and would have made the story better but restricts your exploration.  It look s like they decided to go with a more exploratory open world instead though.   Either way people would have complained so it is what it is.   

[Morroian]

I love how so many people keep insisting Bioware released this footage to create hype, or whatever.

Bioware did NOT release this video. It was NOT meant for the public, none of you should've seen it (unless you actually were at the event as a journalist). Some journalist leaked it.

 

It was at Pax, none of the attendees signed NDAs, it was clearly filmed without any request not to, it was put up on youtube and not taken down, they knew it was generating hype. BW wanted to have its cake and eat it to. It wanted the hype generated by the footage but it also wanted the deniability of it being pre alpha.

[Morroian]

So they'll talk about what you are working on...

 

You can't control what they say, and they may get any number of things wrong.

 

Pre-Alpha is early early early preview.  It is to hopefully make fol

 

The attendees were clearly not all journalists, the person who filmed it was clearly not a journalist.

[Elhanan]

Not sure if this was brought up in here but I thought I'd share it  
 
Dragon Age Creative Director Mike Laidlaw being interviewed
 
"What Alpha means is 100% of the content is there." FALSE

"We don't declare a Beta until the game is ready to ship." FALSE

If these statements are exact:

* By using logic, the first is especially true when folks are complaining about content that was cut. What is released was part of the Alpha; thus 100% of the released form remains.

* It would seem that a Beta is testing the content now to be released after the cuts. This, also true.

[Akrabra]

If you're so sensitive to games meeting your lofty "standards" or "expectations" then there are some simple steps you can take to avoid being "burned":

• Stop pre-ordering!  A pre-order is a purchase of the idealized version of the game that will meet all of your expectations.  There is no way the final product can meet the expectations that excited gamers bestow upon it.
• Don't buy day one!  Wait until there is some feedback/reviews and make an educated purchasing decision.  Sometimes games release buggier than anticipated and delaying your purchase until a patch will result in a more satisfying experience.
• Don't buy the game!  You don't have to play ALL THE GAMES.  If you purchase fewer games you will not have a huge backlog in addition to saying "no" to bad or disappointing games.
• Lighten up!  It's okay to enjoy flawed games!  Games are not either perfect 10s or unplayable garbage.  Buying a game for what it is rather than the culmination of years of hype is always better.

If you think the publisher and/or developer is deceiving people with untenable pre-release footage, a missed sale is a much stronger message than the volume of your whining on the forums.  So in the future, cancel your pre-order and WAIT.

 

The More You Know♒☆

I applaud you

[Eternal Phoenix]

OP should find a new hobby methinks or go play another game.

 

Or maybe he should be happy and realize that Bioware have given him bang for his bucks. Think about it, he's probably spent hours on this forum being smugly satisfied with his own comments and points which he thinks are valid. The game hasn't just provided him with gameplay but with an extension to what he enjoys doing best: moaning.

[Lebanese Dude]

The game hasn't just provided him with gameplay but with an extension to what he enjoys doing best: moaning.

 

That's one way to think about it LOL

[Sanunes]

It was at Pax, none of the attendees signed NDAs, it was clearly filmed without any request not to, it was put up on youtube and not taken down, they knew it was generating hype. BW wanted to have its cake and eat it to. It wanted the hype generated by the footage but it also wanted the deniability of it being pre alpha.

 

That to me would be a dangerous precedent for can you imagine what would happen if BioWare started to take down everything that might be considered misleading about their products because they don't trust us to do our own personal due diligence?

[Melca36]

I have been saying this all along.  The game that I actually bought is nothing like the game that Bioware's hype department sold to me, and that is one of the reasons I feel totally ripped off.

 

http://www.kotaku.co...-different-game

 

That was ALPHA Footage. You should have never expected it in the game.  There are official trailers of Dragon Age 2 with ALPHA footage that WAS NEVER in the game either.  You should have NEVER expected to see it. Games are subject to change. This happens all the time.