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[Melca36]

OP should find a new hobby methinks or go play another game.

 

Or maybe he should be happy and realize that Bioware have given him bang for his bucks. Think about it, he's probably spent hours on this forum being smugly satisfied with his own comments and points which he thinks are valid. The game hasn't just provided him with gameplay but with an extension to what he enjoys doing best: moaning.

 

And he needs to stop assuming he is speaking for the masses.   The forum accounts for a small percentage of users.

[Morty Smith]

Stop right there.

 

First, agile development is NOT a buzzword. It has a very specific, industry-wide meaning: After every development sprint, you re-evaluate the current state of the product, decide what your next priorities should be, and decide what should change. This is done because the alternative is planning out everything up-front, before you have any clue what will work and what won't, which just results in a giant boondoggle that nobody ends up wanting.

 

I can´t read your comment without this theme in my head.

 

 

That goes for most of this thread. Please continue guys.

[Eelectrica]

To be fair since that footage was released we also got multiple playable races. So that was cool.

The next game won't be held back older systems so perhaps more of those cool features will be brought back.

[X Equestris]

To be fair since that footage was released we also got multiple playable races. So that was cool.
The next game won't be held back older systems so perhaps more of those cool features will be brought back.

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of time had to be devoted to making it playable on the old consoles. The next DA will also benefit from Bioware's experience with Frostbite 3.

[Equalitas]

BSN, is it so hard to admit that bioware hyped YOU up with that pax demo. And then used you to hype up every post they make on social media. And then made a cheaper and easier to make product. The game is a bug fest to this day. How can a game with more then 3 years on its neck be so poorly optimized. And with EA money.  

[Sanunes]

BSN, is it so hard to admit that bioware hyped YOU up with that pax demo. And then used you to hype up every post they make on social media. And then made a cheaper and easier to make product. The game is a bug fest to this day. How can a game with more then 3 years on its neck be so poorly optimized. And with EA money.  

 

They didn't hype me about that PAX demo, what hyped me was the reviews that were released a week before the games release because it was from a variety of people and footage that was not picked specifically for that occasion.

[Nimlowyn]

BSN, is it so hard to admit that bioware hyped YOU up with that pax demo. And then used you to hype up every post they make on social media. And then made a cheaper and easier to make product. The game is a bug fest to this day. How can a game with more then 3 years on its neck be so poorly optimized. And with EA money.  

As a rule, I don't get hyped by "pre-alpha". Intrigued, but not hyped...because it is pre-alpha. 

[Dreamer]

There's a lot of extremely passive-aggressive condescension going on in this thread and it's quite uncalled for (toxicity in the community?!). We can disagree on issues without resorting to being underhanded jerks to one another, so please tone down the attitudes. Thank you.

 

I sense that many of you feel that BioWare is not responsible for the purchasing habits of its customers. That's fine. I disagree. I think BioWare has a duty to be responsible. I don't think it was responsible for BioWare to demonstrate their game in the manner they did because at no point did BioWare attempt to correct the record once they were aware that the hyped pre-alpha features were not making into the live client. I believe they did not do so for two reasons: 1) they could and would hide behind the "but it was subject to change, guys" excuse if things did not make it in (and it is just an excuse) and 2) whether or not BioWare intended for that footage to be leaked (they certainly hoped journalists would talk about those features), the hype and buzz generated most certainly earned them pre-purchases.

 

Ask yourself this question: Would BioWare have pre-sold exactly as many copies of the game had the PAX video and "leaked" features never came to the attention of gamers? If you answer "no," then I suppose my point stands. If you answer "yes," I suppose we're at an impasse and there's no point continuing to debate.

[Nohvarr]

There's a lot of extremely passive-aggressive condescension going on in this thread and it's quite uncalled for (toxicity in the community?!). We can disagree on issues without resorting to being underhanded jerks to one another, so please tone down the attitudes. Thank you.

 

I sense that many of you feel that BioWare is not responsible for the purchasing habits of its customers. That's fine. I disagree. I think BioWare has a duty to be responsible. I don't think it was responsible for BioWare to demonstrate their game in the manner they did because at no point did BioWare attempt to correct the record once they were aware that the hyped pre-alpha features were not making into the live client. I believe they did not do so for two reasons: 1) they could and would hide behind the "but it was subject to change guys" excuse if things did not make it in (and it is just an excuse) and 2) whether or not BioWare intended for that footage to be leaked (they certainly hoped journalists would talk about those features), the hype and buzz generated most certainly earned them pre-purchases.

 

Ask yourself this question: Would BioWare have pre-sold exactly as many copies of the game had the PAX video and "leaked" features never came to the attention of gamers? If you cannot answer "no," then I suppose my point stands. If you answer "yes," I suppose we're at an impasse and there's no point continuing to debate.

Considering most gamers likely based their purchase off the youtube videos and other advertisement that came out closer to the games release....I have to answer "Yes"

 

The following is a link to a Kotaku article that discuss content cut from Half-life 2, some of which appeared in the games beta:

 

http://steamed.kotak.../ nathangrayson

[pdusen]

Let's say for the sake of argument that the PAX demo was advertising (which it wasn't). I don't care if Bioware personally came to your house, lied to your face about what was in the game, and then ran away cackling with your money. It is your responsibility as a consumer to inform yourself before making any purchases. You have the internet, which means you have the perfect means to do so.

By the way, the game in that demo was virtually identical to the game we got. The details were different, but the gameplay and style were all clearly connected. The fact that the specific quest is missing from the game is utterly inconsequential.

[Morroian]

To be fair since that footage was released we also got multiple playable races. So that was cool.

 

 

The decision on multiple races was made at least a year before that footage was aired.

[DanteYoda]

Risk of Closure DUN DUN DUN, will we get any closure that is the real question?

[Galactus]

The truth must be silenced!

[Saberchic]

As a rule, I don't get hyped by "pre-alpha". Intrigued, but not hyped...because it is pre-alpha. 

^This so much. Lots of things can change pre-alpha.

 

I hope this thread gets closed. It's simply ridiculous.    Don't like the game? Get a refund or trade it in for something else, and then pay more attention to the games you want to buy in the future.

[Hazegurl]

Honestly I'm starting to think a certain someone needs a muzzle.

 

PAX East 2014:

 

Creatures attacking your camp...

Also...pulling back so others can assist during these attacks and using your allies.

Refugees controlling a fortress and you can rest there and see shops.

Tactical advantages from Origins will be making an improved comeback.

 

I sense that many of you feel that BioWare is not responsible for the purchasing habits of its customers. That's fine. I disagree. I think BioWare has a duty to be responsible

 

My advice OP is to simply see this as a lesson. Companies lie and withhold the truth and even if they didn't, you may discover that the product isn't worth your money anyway. No company is responsible for your personal spending habits. Their goal is to get money out of you.  If you fell for it, just laugh it off and consider it a lesson learned.  Most of the people you're fighting with tend to go to any thread that doesn't speak highly of this game to bash the posters there. You're not going to get them to change their minds anymore than they will change yours.

 

I admit I made a mistake going into media black out with DAI for the sake of not getting spoiled. But I've since realized that games can't be treated like movies. If I spend 10 bucks on a crappy film, it's money I can lose. Spending 60-70 bucks on a crappy game is a blow I'm less willing to shrug off.  From now on, I'll be watching my favorite streamers stream the games I want, spoilers or no spoilers and gauge from their experience how I would like it. Let them spend the money before I do. That's most likely your best bet from now on. Just sit on it, put it in your wishlist, wait for reviews, go to the feedback forum to see if their are any issues, and watch streamers who play games that are more your style and who can provide trusted feedback. Do all of that before buying any game.

[AlanC9]

I admit I made a mistake going into media black out with DAI for the sake of not getting spoiled.

So you went into blackout after seeing the pre-alpha?

From now on, I'll be watching my favorite streamers stream the games I want, spoilers or no spoilers and gauge from their experience how I would like it. Let them spend the money before I do.

That seems a bit self-destructive. I guess the strategy pays off if there are a lot more games you don't like than games you do, though.

[Hazegurl]

So you went into blackout after seeing the pre-alpha?


That seems a bit self-destructive. I guess the strategy pays off if there are a lot more games you don't like than games you do, though.

No, about a week or two before release and even before then I didn't want to know too much about the story.  That's why I'm mostly on the fence about the whole thing. On one hand all companies will embellish their products and I don't think that is deceptive, that's just marketing,  but there were some....wtf comments by the devs about the game and this was close to release. Like the Leliana comment I mentioned before.

 

Yeah I know it's a bit self destructive. I do hate spoilers and I know it could damper the experience of playing the game fresh. Perhaps a better method is to have the stream on but distract myself and check in occasionally until enough time has passed than ask them if they like it and worth the money.  I'll figure it out because there is no way I'm buying W3, Bloodborne, and 1886 at release. However, as much as I complain about DAI I don't regret my purchase. I got to play a gay hero, that's something most companies won't do and I've had multiple playthroughs so I've gotten my money's worth from it, I just wish I hadn't bought the Deluxe Edition, that extra ten bucks spent was such a waste.

 

Also, just because I complain doesn't mean I hate the company, the devs, want the game to fail, want all future games to fail, want people out of a job, and all that other craziness. I just want to pay for a game and have a good time and although I think BW should stop listening to fans and just stick with their vision for the game, if they are going to listen then I might as well start voicing my opinion more in hopes that they will see it and make a DA game I can enjoy. 

[Jawzzus]

I saw exactly one part of a video to hype my thought of buying it.  What I was sold, being able to look through an occular and spot shards, templar and mages fighting near crossroads.  What I bought, being able to look through an occular and spot shards, templar and mages fighting near crossroads.

[Eelectrica]

The decision on multiple races was made at least a year before that footage was aired.

Playable races weren't announced until August 2013.

Until then for all anyone knew it was human only once again.

[Farangbaa]

Ask yourself this question: Would BioWare have pre-sold exactly as many copies of the game had the PAX video and "leaked" features never came to the attention of gamers? If you answer "no," then I suppose my point stands. If you answer "yes," I suppose we're at an impasse and there's no point continuing to debate.

Irrelevant, really. Cause anyone who bought this game based on that PAX video has absolutely no idea what he/she is doing.

Buying a game based on a pre-alpha vid is ludicrous. It borders on insanity if you have even the faintest hint of how the gaming industry works.

[Dio Demon]

Was Dragon Age Inquisition available to pre-order when that video was shown? If not then you have no case, as they weren't lying to you so you'd go an pre-order it.

[SomberXIII]

If you're so sensitive to games meeting your lofty "standards" or "expectations" then there are some simple steps you can take to avoid being "burned":

• Stop pre-ordering!  A pre-order is a purchase of the idealized version of the game that will meet all of your expectations.  There is no way the final product can meet the expectations that excited gamers bestow upon it.
• Don't buy day one!  Wait until there is some feedback/reviews and make an educated purchasing decision.  Sometimes games release buggier than anticipated and delaying your purchase until a patch will result in a more satisfying experience.
• Don't buy the game!  You don't have to play ALL THE GAMES.  If you purchase fewer games you will not have a huge backlog in addition to saying "no" to bad or disappointing games.
• Lighten up!  It's okay to enjoy flawed games!  Games are not either perfect 10s or unplayable garbage.  Buying a game for what it is rather than the culmination of years of hype is always better.

If you think the publisher and/or developer is deceiving people with untenable pre-release footage, a missed sale is a much stronger message than the volume of your whining on the forums.  So in the future, cancel your pre-order and WAIT.

 

The More You Know♒☆

This.

[Dreamer]

Honestly I'm starting to think a certain someone needs a muzzle.

 

PAX East 2014:

 

Creatures attacking your camp...

Also...pulling back so others can assist during these attacks and using your allies.

Refugees controlling a fortress and you can rest there and see shops.

Tactical advantages from Origins will be making an improved comeback.

 

My advice OP is to simply see this as a lesson. Companies lie and withhold the truth and even if they didn't, you may discover that the product isn't worth your money anyway. No company is responsible for your personal spending habits. Their goal is to get money out of you.  If you fell for it, just laugh it off and consider it a lesson learned.  Most of the people you're fighting with tend to go to any thread that doesn't speak highly of this game to bash the posters there. You're not going to get them to change their minds anymore than they will change yours.

 

I admit I made a mistake going into media black out with DAI for the sake of not getting spoiled. But I've since realized that games can't be treated like movies. If I spend 10 bucks on a crappy film, it's money I can lose. Spending 60-70 bucks on a crappy game is a blow I'm less willing to shrug off.  From now on, I'll be watching my favorite streamers stream the games I want, spoilers or no spoilers and gauge from their experience how I would like it. Let them spend the money before I do. That's most likely your best bet from now on. Just sit on it, put it in your wishlist, wait for reviews, go to the feedback forum to see if their are any issues, and watch streamers who play games that are more your style and who can provide trusted feedback. Do all of that before buying any game.

 

For the record: I'm not the OP. Nor do I expect a refund. lol

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Haven't they close this thread yet?

[Nohvarr]

Haven't they close this thread yet?

If they did someone would likely complain about that too.