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My understanding was that they cut scars because they looked crappy on the old consoles. Too many texture layers or some such. It's not like the game looking worse on old gen consoles was any big secret.

 

I guess this is because of the new engine and such, because age old Mass Effect allowed us to have some scars on Shepard.



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My understanding was that they cut scars because they looked crappy on the old consoles. Too many texture layers or some such. It's not like the game looking worse on old gen consoles was any big secret.

 

It's memory related. If you reduce the mesh on PC you get the same issue. The scar is a separate layer, which has to be held in memory. 



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My understanding was that they cut scars because they looked crappy on the old consoles. Too many texture layers or some such. It's not like the game looking worse on old gen consoles was any big secret.

 

They wanted to save memory with it. Still, they said nothing was missing and scars were, lot of people were suprised about that. Seriously Bioware should man up and take some responsibility. They just waited to people found out and get disapointed cause they didn't want to admit their faults.

 

Actually it was big suprise. They promised best Dragon Age game ever. They promised same aesthetic experience. They maximised potential. And outcome was worst looking Bioware game with textures not loading, full of clipping and all hair textures etc. messed up. Graphics are worse than DA2's as well and there is no excuse for that.



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Why is this thread under special surveillance? Has it touched a nerve? Is this because of the claim of false advertisement or because of the flame war? There is a lot of badmouthing here

Its being used as bait for the people who dislike, and speak out against the game...



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Is the game not what you expected from the hype? Well, I guess you can join the bandwagon then because from what I have seen this company has done as much in another of its IPs that is even more controversial than anything you can argue for concerning DA:I.

 

Ill give you the classic hint; Red, Blue or Green.

 

Hah.



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Its being used as bait for the people who dislike, and speak out against the game...

.....No...there were some posters who got off topic and ugly so a warning was given....I've seen plenty of other threads voicing their dislike of the game so I'm not sure why Bioware would single this one out if that were the case.



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At the start of the game. I forgot all about the choices. I was entertained. So much to do. I began on collecting quests. In awe of the singing and the graphics. It's not till I played the game on the my second play through I noticed we didn't really get to make choices. Like choices that make an impact on the overall story. In DA: O. Whoever you decide to bring with you out of factions.

 

You can see them help you when darkspawn start to fight. There's even a small little camp. You can rest and talk to your team mates. Buy supply's. This game felt different not in a horrible way. It felt different you couldn't make any choices (expect for mages and templars) it felt like you were running around a whole bunch getting supply's from other people.

 

Some people call this DA:I..."evolved" First thing brought me to the game were the choices. You made they clearly had a huge impact on the overall story. It's like that faded away slowly placed with combat RPG.

 

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy playing the game. I know there are some romances in it. I spoke to almost everyone in my party. I just feel like its lacking those choices. You could made more often and about situations. Instead its "go fetch me 1,000,000 diamond crystals and we can open this door" its like your running around endlessly and you don't have a choice in that.


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#433
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The title of the thread is the first thing I said after exiting the womb.

 

My expectations have been reasonable ever since.


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We have different views of content I guess. Scars are huge deal to me, Bioware marketed quite much, how cool things you can do with them and I was looking forward to them. Then suddenly they are missing in old gen consoles what wasn't told before release at all. In the twitter when lot of people were asking why they aren't there Mike Laidlaw finally told that they cut them of and it's not bug. Cause people though it was bug since scars were supposed to be included.

They wanted to save memory with it. Still, they said nothing was missing and scars were, lot of people were suprised about that. Seriously Bioware should man up and take some responsibility. They just waited to people found out and get disapointed cause they didn't want to admit their faults.

 

Scars are aesthetic. Aesthetics are not content. By any definition.

 

Aesthetics were always going to be worse on old-gen consoles, because the focus was on current-gen consoles and on keeping all of the real content available on old consoles. They delivered on that promise.

 

If you would rather they just didn't release for old-gen consoles at all, just say so. Don't pretend you're the victim of some great injustice.

 
 

Big Boooware can do what he/she always does.  Promise and non-deliver.  We get it.  It's not even Orwelian at this point.  They force a social agenda in their inoperable games.  Makes for a few scratched heads.

 

 

One wonders if you've ever read any Orwell.


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Its being used as bait for the people who dislike, and speak out against the game...

 

It's under surveillance because there were several posters taking potshots at each other several pages back.



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Actually it was big suprise. They promised best Dragon Age game ever. They promised same aesthetic experience. They maximised potential. And outcome was worst looking Bioware game with textures not loading, full of clipping and all hair textures etc. messed up. Graphics are worse than DA2's as well and there is no excuse for that.

They promised the same aesthetic experience for old-gen and current gen? Source?
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They promised the same aesthetic experience for old-gen and current gen? Source?

Hmm, I seem to remember that they said older gen consoles would not suffer from any less content. They didn't say anything about the "aesthetics".


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Actually it was big suprise. They promised best Dragon Age game ever. They promised same aesthetic experience. They maximised potential. And outcome was worst looking Bioware game with textures not loading, full of clipping and all hair textures etc. messed up. Graphics are worse than DA2's as well and there is no excuse for that.


They promised the same aesthetic experience for the old and the new consoles? That was foolish, if it happened. I don't remember them saying any such thing, myself, but I just assumed that crappy machines would naturally give you crappier aesthetics.

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They promised the same aesthetic experience for old-gen and current gen? Source?

 

 

Hmm, I seem to remember that they said older gen consoles would not suffer from any less content. They didn't say anything about the "aesthetics".

 

 

They promised the same aesthetic experience for the old and the new consoles? That was foolish, if it happened. I don't remember them saying any such thing, myself, but I just assumed that crappy machines would naturally give you crappier aesthetics.

 

 

Yes they have. Sigh I have posted it couple times here so I guess I will just go looking for it.

 

Here: http://www.vg247.com...d-gen-consoles/

 

“We want people to have the same satisfying experience no matter what platform they play it on. From a graphical perspective the gen 4 versions look more dense, but in terms of the aesthetic of the game they should be the same across platforms.” <- direct quote.


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If anyone truly expected a game using an almost cutting edge engine to look good on 10 years old hardware, the joke's on them frankly. If you want decent looking games on console, upgrade. 


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#441
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I think that referring to the overall "aesthetic" gives them a lot of wiggleroom. It's recognizably the same game. So is CoD: Black Ops on the DS versus an Xbox. Of course, one system is far more powerful, and as such looks far better, but they carry the same "aesthetic."

 

It's always instructive to point out that the minimum requirements for this game on PC specify 4gb of RAM. That's the minimum.

 

4gb of RAM is 4 times the amount of the phone I'm posting from, and 16(!) times the amount in a PS3.

 

And we're really wondering why there's texture pop-in?



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Yes they have. Sigh I have posted it couple times here so I guess I will just go looking for it.
 
Here: http://www.vg247.com...d-gen-consoles/
 
“We want people to have the same satisfying experience no matter what platform they play it on. From a graphical perspective the gen 4 versions look more dense, but in terms of the aesthetic of the game they should be the same across platforms.” <- direct quote.


Fair enough. I asked for a source and you have it. My impression from reading that article however, is that since the interview is with the art and animation director, that he is talking about the aesthetics of the art and animation, not about the technical graphical power which he admits is different.
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Scars? Really?

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Well if you follow to old gen thread in my sign, you will see couple screenshots of the game and I wouldn't say that looks like it's same game anymore.

 

Aesthetics to me don't have much to do with graphics. Aesthetics are how things are designed and they should look like how they are designed, with texture pop-in's, screentearing and clippings they really don't. They look like the whole game is broken code.



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Well if you follow to old gen thread in my sign, you will see couple screenshots of the game and I wouldn't say that looks like it's same game anymore.

 

Aesthetics to me don't have much to do with graphics. Aesthetics are how things are designed and they should look like how they are designed, with texture pop-in's, screentearing and clippings they really don't. They look like the whole game is broken code.

 

I've seen the screenshots. Once (if) his face textures actually load, he still looks like Dorian. The aesthetics are the same, unless you're using an invented definition of the word

 

This game is probably 5x the size of DA2, if not more, with much, much more detailed textures.



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Well, I have uninstalled the game and am now moving on.  This is no Bioware game, or should I say the sort of game that Bioware is known and loved for.  At the very most it's a okay-ish free to play mmo.

 

I will look towards POE and Witcher 3 in the hope that they can fill the gab that Bioware have left.


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#447
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It's a modern Bioware game. Bioware is probably the only company out there from who I find it impossible to predict how a sequel will be based on the original. Most gaming series are mostly the same, a sequel will be like the original but better/worse/larger or more of the same. It's the pattern pretty much all other games follow. Few examples. Assassin's creed/Elder scroll games/Total War games Diablo-Diablo 2-Diablo 3 follows.

Then we have Bioware where every game in a series is completely different and they seem to shift the focus of the game (will keeping the writing intact) with each title. Personally it just confuse me. x)



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I've seen the screenshots. Once (if) his face textures actually load, he still looks like Dorian. The aesthetics are the same, unless you're using an invented definition of the word

 

This game is probably 5x the size of DA2, if not more, with much, much more detailed textures.

 

Idk about detailed when they still look worse than DA2 when loaded ^^; DAI's textures still look all mushy.



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Idk about detailed when they still look worse than DA2 when loaded ^^; DAI's textures still look all mushy.

 

They still look worse when loaded because the DA2 was a visually simpler game that was developed for the ten year old system you played it on.

 

The aesthetic is still the same.



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Well, I have uninstalled the game and am now moving on.  This is no Bioware game, or should I say the sort of game that Bioware is known and loved for.  At the very most it's a okay-ish free to play mmo.

 

I will look towards POE and Witcher 3 in the hope that they can fill the gab that Bioware have left.

 

Ok bye


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